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J Valkor
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.02.16 15:32:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: MarieFrance Tessier
Originally by: Meylota LeFey
Screenie of the respec window


Oh ****.

That learning column is out of 15.


It's to accommodate characters who have a lot of points in one stat and have trained up learning.

Dr Karsun
Gallente
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Posted - 2009.02.16 17:15:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Dr Karsun on 16/02/2009 17:15:19
If this is all true, that you will be able to change...

I will probably just remove a bit from my charisma after I train all leadership skills to 5 (except wing command and fleet command)... Now, with +4's and +8 out of skills, I got a nice 23... I'd lower that to... 12 :P Because, hell, if that was possible, after training leaderships skills I won't need all this AT ALL. Still, I'm a bit angry I didn't put a bit more into perception :/ It makes training any skill from spaceship command a pain in my ass.

PS - I'm SURE average value of charisma in the universe will drop at least 5 points.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.02.16 19:06:00 - [123]
 

Well apart from someone wanting to do a CHA based sprint in the skills that benifit from that..

Lets review the benifits

1) people who screwed up can now fix the mistake

2) the Forum database will no longer be hammered with the "whats the best Race-bloodline-Ancestry-Carreer-Specilization to get XXX*

3) because you can now reset your base stats for each expansion, its not going to be sutch a pain when they drop a new group of "Must have" skills for a new expansion for the secondary skills(Especialy if they decide to make all of the "planitary interaction" skills Cha based!)


Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.02.17 00:05:00 - [124]
 

one time respec would be fine but twice a year would destroy all that bloodline stuff because it does not matter anymore what you take since you're able to change them anytime you like. What a crap.

But I think if characters with attributes lower than 3 will get impossible to create I should fill up my accounts with achuras, who knows maybe they will be worth a lot of ISK some day :-D

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.02.17 01:11:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/02/2009 09:11:25
I'm sure that this was designed to make the life of new players easier.

But who will gain the most from being able to respec every six months?

Newbies who have to train a wide variety of different skills, or the vets who can concentrate on a single category of skills for six months?

Bad move, CCP.


It wasn't designed for that. It's designed so CCP gets more money. If it was designed to make the life of new players easier, they would allow a respec once for every char, say maybe after a char is 3 months old. OR they would make it FREE to do so every 6 months, or for an isk fee.
No, this is just plain moneymaking.

Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.02.17 08:05:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Drykor
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/02/2009 09:11:25
I'm sure that this was designed to make the life of new players easier.

But who will gain the most from being able to respec every six months?

Newbies who have to train a wide variety of different skills, or the vets who can concentrate on a single category of skills for six months?

Bad move, CCP.


It wasn't designed for that. It's designed so CCP gets more money. If it was designed to make the life of new players easier, they would allow a respec once for every char, say maybe after a char is 3 months old. OR they would make it FREE to do so every 6 months, or for an isk fee.
No, this is just plain moneymaking.


And CCP getting more money is a bad thing? May want to consider cancelling your sub if that is how you feel about it Wink

Lilith Krell
Posted - 2009.02.17 09:46:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Dr Karsun


Now, with +4's and +8 out of skills, I got a nice 23... I'd lower that to... 12 :P

PS - I'm SURE average value of charisma in the universe will drop at least 5 points.


You can't drop any attribute below 5 base value, so the minimum you will get yours down to with your +12 will be 17...

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.02.17 11:11:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Robert Caldera on 17/02/2009 11:12:04
well, if there will be respec twice a year I will max my electronics skills, then respec for perc/willpower and skill ships/gunnery all the next time until the next respec.. This sucks in my opinion but that would be the only way for effective skilling...

Dani SP
Posted - 2009.02.18 16:21:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Dani SP on 18/02/2009 16:21:21
Why not once per year? I think it would be more balanced (twice a year is too much!), but at the same time players would be allowed to fix some screwed-up attributes hehe.

About the maximization trick (mem/int and doing industry, then max per/wil and doing spaceships)... do you really think it will be like that? who could handle that? This is a game, not a job, I mean it wouldnt be funny if you want to train some groups and realize "uh I can't since im doing mem/int now, I will train these 4 months later".............. LOL unless you are a character farmer or maybe a psychotic obsesed with maximization, I think people will play normally.

Emorius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.18 18:18:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Emorius on 18/02/2009 18:18:04
According to the newest devblog, its now once a year? Here i will quote them:

Once a year, you - and everyone else - can take 14 attribute points, and re-arrange them within reason. Attributes can be set at values anywhere from 5 to 15. This means, that every year, you can take all your spare charisma points and put them into perception if you so please. Or the other way around.

Someone should check test server if its true.

Dakt NiRuthgar
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Posted - 2009.02.18 20:19:00 - [131]
 

Update on this in the dev blog.

See Here.

Other people have been saying things like after your first two "free" respecs, you will have to pay money. Others have been saying that you pay 5 million ISK. However, I cannot verify those pieces of information as the people saying that did not direct us to an official source. I'm hunting now, but there's a lot of forum pages to dig through............ I wish I could get this motivated about doing my goddamn school work.

Here is the development of rumour to official dev blog statements so far as I can tell for those just joining the thread. Please feel free to correct.

Newer characters will get two free respecs, after which they will be charged (money or ISK? No idea) for a respec. Upshot? They get to respec whenever they want as many times as they want as long as they can afford it (still not clear on whether that's real money or ISK). Older characters will get a free skill respec once every 6 months (which makes sense to me because older characters are likely to be skilling up high rank skills that take God knows how long to skill).

Official dev blog line as of today:

Your attributes will be very similar between the races once you start out, but now you will get to change them. A new player will have the opportunity to respec his attributes twice. This allows a new player to change previous decisions they made resulting from not knowing the system.

Once a year, you - and everyone else - can take 14 attribute points, and re-arrange them within reason. Attributes can be set at values anywhere from 5 to 15. This means, that every year, you can take all your spare charisma points and put them into perception if you so please. Or the other way around.


This is from the link I posted earlier.

SIMPLY SUMMARY:
Character creation is changing in Apocrypha to make it easier for new players to actually make meaningful decisions that they won't get stuck with for the rest of their EVE career. And so that they don't get scared away by five million sub menus at character creation.

Now that I think about it though, maybe this means that their will be more 14 year olds in the game.................

GOD forbid...

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.02.19 10:08:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: CCP Fear
Edited by: CCP Fear on 18/02/2009 13:16:29
Originally by: Braaage
You state attributes can be changed once per year, it was every 6 months on Sisi - which is it?

Also are there any plans on increasing the starting ISK since you can't buy any skill with 5,000 ISK you get once started.


Things on Sisi change. Sisi should have the current and correct version up now.

New players get 2 respecs
All other players get 1
Cost is 0 ISK
1 year cooldown timer

No plan on increasing the starter ISK, we are however looking at rewards for the early days. We do not want to increase the starter isk, as it could be exploitable quite easily.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2009.02.19 12:27:00 - [133]
 

i foresee much evemon whorage.

maranne marachian
Posted - 2009.02.19 18:08:00 - [134]
 

meh the whiners got their wanted prenerf we now get one a year thanks guys i was looking forward to actually being able to change my focus a couple of times a year now you get to make a mini achura and ignore it forever because its not worth gimping yourself if a new patch changes the stats you need halfway through your year.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2009.02.19 18:21:00 - [135]
 

hehe, i named it "gimped achura". i suppose "mini" is politically correct.

maranne marachian
Posted - 2009.02.19 18:48:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Jagga Spikes
hehe, i named it "gimped achura". i suppose "mini" is politically correct.


what i wanted to call it is replaced by the filter ;) the real term is ****edup achura

Plan R
Posted - 2009.02.26 02:53:00 - [137]
 

Latest build is 12 months, not 6. I dig it.


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