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Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2009.02.06 16:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Korizan on 06/02/2009 16:47:01
Perhaps Sovereignty would be better served if it was determined by the corporation rather then the alliance.

So a corporation can claim any space and start gaining Sovereignty.

Now if several corporations ban together as an alliance they can combine to also form sovereignty.
ie - one corporation can drop 3 stations in a constellation for Sov 4 or
3 corporations in an Alliance each one dropping a station can do the same thing.

Alliances can also create jump bridges between there corporations just like now etc etc.

But this also means if a corporation leaves the alliance the corporation keeps there sovereignty.
It also means if they join a hostile alliance the lines on the map may be instantly changed.

This system would give more power to the corporations as it should be.
Alliances are corporations who decide they want to band together to create a new greater power.

To take it back to the feudal system which is what 0.0 really is.
Each lord has his own estates. (Corporation holds its own systems and stations)
The Lords ban together under one king (Corporations ban together electing one corporation as the executor of the alliance)
So like any feudal system if one corporation decides to leave the alliance it doesn't forfeit its estates but rather transfers its loyalties to another alliances or flat out goes rouge.

This is the way 0.0 should be, not the current system.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.02.06 18:59:00 - [2]
 

Maybe? This sounds interesting, but there's a lot more pressing things to change with the sovereignty system. This being included at the end of the day could work, but it's not really worth bringing up on its own.

Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2009.02.06 20:18:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Korizan on 06/02/2009 20:18:55
I believe that the current foundation of the sovereignty system is the problem.
Having sovereignty controlled by the alliances is flawed to the core.

If sovereignty was based on corporations then POS warfare would NOT be the only way to take over space.
All you would have to do is get the opposing corporations to join your alliance and now your alliance has new space with long held sovereignty.

Alliances would be in danger from within just as much from there neighbors.
You would see civil wars appear as corporations struggle for control of more territory or even for just control the alliance.

Right now all you can do is take over someones space and you start from scratch every time you do it.
It makes a lot of people say why bother.

And I am just afraid that if CCP changes sovereignty keeping the alliances @ the core even the new system will fail because it is fundamentally wrong.

Better to change it now and be done with it.

Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.02.07 03:18:00 - [4]
 

I like this idea. Sovereignty needs a good reworking, and this could help it drastically. Supported, and I'll champion this idea at the next CSM meeting.

Zenethalos
Minmatar
Doesn't Afraid Of Anything

Posted - 2009.02.07 07:50:00 - [5]
 

Cool idea.

Odetta Harpy
Posted - 2009.02.07 11:28:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Odetta Harpy on 07/02/2009 11:27:45
im sure you agree to almost everything on here Bunyip :) but it sounds like a good idea to me

AndzX11
Caldari
Reign of Anarchy

Posted - 2009.02.07 11:53:00 - [7]
 

I suppose its not a bad idea. Wander how this would affect server load - prolly only at downtime.

Alex Kinley
Posted - 2009.02.07 23:05:00 - [8]
 

0.0 revamp coming next on CCP's list after apo. Possibly after ambulation. Possibly before.

But it has been said.
or at least i think it has been by CCP that the big sov 0.0 all encompassing revamp is coming next. Either after apoch or ambulation. Not sure which, but it has been said.

Case closed.

Red 7
Posted - 2009.02.11 12:59:00 - [9]
 

Great idea!

Racnim Sinedia
New Eden Recon Force
Imperial Directorate
Posted - 2009.02.11 14:09:00 - [10]
 

Like this idea...

Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2009.02.11 14:20:00 - [11]
 

As with my corpies above I like this idea and am supporting it.

Personally I'd love to see this implemented in any future Sov rework - or at least something similar too it. Both as a preventative measure in regards to what we have seen recently as part of the BoB/Kenzoku thing, and just because from an outsiders point of view (for the moment) sov itself is a broken mechanic and does need fixing - as to how it needs it, I'll leave that argument to be presented by people with more experience of it than I have.

Diamaht Nevain
Gallente
Avatar Union

Posted - 2009.02.16 09:08:00 - [12]
 

Great idea!

/signed

Soeniss Delazur
Blue Republic

Posted - 2009.02.17 07:56:00 - [13]
 


Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2009.02.17 17:06:00 - [14]
 

Although this solution doesn't address some of the more problematic issues regarding sovereignty it's still pretty sensible. Just this alone won't solve the problems however. Sov still needs to mean something beyond fuel bonuses and POS still need to be extracted from the mechanic as painlessly as possible.

C.



Ragnar Foulberg
Posted - 2009.02.19 00:41:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Bunyip
I like this idea. Sovereignty needs a good reworking, and this could help it drastically. Supported, and I'll champion this idea at the next CSM meeting.



Absolutely. The current sovereignty system is so horridly flawed it ought to be erased from the history books of EVE. I've heard CCP devs state they intend to eventually do something about it, but the CSM ought to let them know it needs to be a priority. A top priority.

Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.19 03:04:00 - [16]
 

Feudal system should be an option

as well as:

Dictatorship
Democracy
[insert any political structure here]
etc.

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.02.19 13:26:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Fahtim Meidires
Feudal system should be an option

as well as:

Dictatorship
Democracy
[insert any political structure here]
etc.


This

Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.02.23 09:06:00 - [18]
 

Well, I brought up the topic, and my fellow CSM members shot it down immediately. They voted 8 against before I could even finish my proposal, so I followed suit. I do like the idea, but apparently the major alliances do not.


 

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