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Eben Rochelle
Gallente
RPS holdings
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:12:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Leaving Eve
Looks like I'm going to be busy around here for a while Laughing


I love you

Sturdy Girl
Silent Ninja's
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:15:00 - [32]
 

What is the point in life in general?

The point of the game is because you have nothing better to do (if one genuinely had something better to do one wouldn't play).

The same point as all other things.

Eg: What you make of it.
Or: Pointless.

Are you happy now you have a complete and accurate answer to your question?

DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:17:00 - [33]
 

Poor game design or real world simulation?

Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.

Right.

Cereah
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:26:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: DrAtomic
Poor game design or real world simulation?

Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.

Right.


Thats no real world example. Why do you think most businesses have a conflict of interest clause in their paperwork.

You get hired by McDonalds. (bout the most you can handle I know)
They say you cant work for anymore fast food joints because thats a conflict of interest. You will tell them our secrets!!!!
You go ahead and fill in your part time hours with more part time at burger king. OMG burger king now has mcdonalds secrets.

Put that up to management. Or even corporation level (ie EVE). Vice President in charge of nuggets sells out to BK. Gives up the secret sauce recipe because he's best friends with the sauce guy, helps make it secret sometimes too.

THAT is a more real world example than congress disbanding apart LOL

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:27:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: DrAtomic
Poor game design or real world simulation?

Disgruntled Senator John W. Warner disbanded the United States of America and trademarked the name for future personal use.

Right.


BOB = USA, c/d?

RL comparisons FTL Mad. Better tools to manage these organisations is required, but don't underestimate the power of betrayal and stupidity. There is no obstacle they can't overcome.

Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:31:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41
Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.

They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.

Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:32:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Kiyamoh

The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why should they? Drama draws more players... until people start leaving because of all the drama. A great game is headed out the window. A very unfortunate ending.



EVE is the only game on the market where metagaming is so effective. I don't know if this is a USP and intentional, but personally I'd try to fix it because it's not much fun to play an MMO where the efforts of hundreds/thousands of people can get wasted by 1 single hacker/turncoat/spy without any real effort and without any repercussions (whether you consider it realistic or not does not matter, in RL you won't just cancel your subscription because it sucks).

It's the same thing with people who blow up one disposable alt after another to cirvumvent hi sec restrictions etc., CCP is really a bit slow to react to such imbalances.

Cereah
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:33:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Rastigan
Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41
Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.

They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.



^^ +1
Full of win.

Dasalt Istgut
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:36:00 - [39]
 

Say what you want about fairness/etc, at the very least its the most exciting event that's happened in Eve (due to the massive land grab/fighting about to go down) that I can remember.

What's the point of Eve? To have fun of course. The only people I feel somewhat sorry for is people who got bounced out of their shields or can't redock to empty their hangars. The actual occupation of land is meant to be dynamic.

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:40:00 - [40]
 

Whats the point in anything!

*kills self*

DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:43:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Rastigan
they've reaped what they've sowed.


You do know that Goonswarm members smacking a deceased BOB member in local started the hostilities between Bob and Goonswarm?

Long before Bob pulled off anything Goons were killing servers with their newb ship swarms.

Stop washing your hands in innocence.

Anyway I wasnt defending Bob or it's actions in past or present, just saying that it's poor game mechanics. A corp can't be disbanded like this, why can an alliance where the stakes are much higher?

And to the guy making the MacDonalds vs. Burger King reference.... This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself.

Rotnac
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Rastigan
Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41
Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.

They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.


Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting.

Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:55:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Rotnac

Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting.


EVE online, a game about metagaming and patting yourself on the back on the forums.


Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:59:00 - [44]
 

if i hated bob before i now are on bobs side... winning a fight like goons did make me turn around and wanna kick goon meta****ers.. let em hack and exploit my guns... seem they cant fight for real... and have to use foul tactics..

i hope molle fast make new alliance that more people can join and **** up. however i understand if it will only be harder to join into bob corps now.. the lvl where spying etc is needed have reached a LAME level.

ccp should do somehting about how u disband corps/alliances...

theres a reason shares are made... like... use the damn shares to even be able to close down an alliance..

goons are lamers...

Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.02.05 14:00:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Kuranta on 05/02/2009 14:01:01
Originally by: Lazuran
EVE is the only game on the market where metagaming is so effective. I don't know if this is a USP and intentional, but personally I'd try to fix it because it's not much fun to play an MMO where the efforts of hundreds/thousands of people can get wasted by 1 single hacker/turncoat/spy without any real effort and without any repercussions (whether you consider it realistic or not does not matter, in RL you won't just cancel your subscription because it sucks).

It's the same thing with people who blow up one disposable alt after another to cirvumvent hi sec restrictions etc., CCP is really a bit slow to react to such imbalances.



Corptheft with alts and stuff like that happens to MANY corps daily. Now that a MEMBER of BoB decided to be a traitor it's suddenly bad? Maybe BoB Leadership shouldn't have upset him.

Originally by: Rastigan
Edited by: Rastigan on 05/02/2009 13:32:41
Please BoB has been using meta-gaming for ages. They have used spies to kill titans, back when titans were unkillable. Spies to untick sov to quickly capture two station systems. Infiltrated forums, disrupted/listened in on voice coms, they would POS bowl with titans knocking ships out of the shields.

They have used or abused any and all game mechanics possible, HA-****ing-HA to them for getting themselves kicked in the crotch by a legitimate game mechanic, they've reaped what they've sowed.


And this.

Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.05 14:02:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.

And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.

And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.


And then there is a total failure who is only wasting oxygen, that is you.

Brodde Dim
Hyper-Nova
Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 - [47]
 

This drama is no reason to quit.

The goal for goons in eve, is to make people quit. (Same goes for every other game where they have any organized activity).

Since eve is pretty harsh compared to other online games, the people who enjoy it are not so easily discouraged by griefers. There will be tears, a couple of rage quits, but this is every day life in eve.

This has made it really hard for goons to achieve anything.

Its not that they havent tried, it just hasnt resulted in anything particular.
  • They have tried to dominate 0.0 by zerg tactics and superior numbers, and failed badly every time.

  • They openly try to scam/rob/grief everyone, supporter or not. But this is how eve works, and nobody cares. No matter how hard they try, its not getting them the attention they seek.

  • They have tried ganking miners in high sec, with very little result, except for an increased awareness of the lack of security in high sec, and a small boost to the geddon and hulk markets.

  • They have tried every meta gaming tactic possible, including attacking CCP, eve-online forums, other corps and alliances sites and forums, etc. This has had mixed results. Giving them some sympathy in a few cases, and losing it in others. Mostly it is just ignored or forgotten very soon.

  • Every kind of exploitable bug/game mechanic has been used thorougly offcourse. Often for a long while before it becomes general knowledge and gets fixed.

  • They even tried evolving the alliance, and becoming serious, playing the game. Even trying to deny the heritage from SA and their intentions to ruin the game. This has lead them to become boring, and stale. Rumour is many goons got bored and moved to other games instead for a while.

  • This list could use a couple of posts on its own.

  • The only thing they really have achieved is setting the standard for the CAOD forum.


Offcourse they will take the credit for when a BoB director decides to make a dramatic exit from the alliance. There is a lot of attention to get here. Even if goons didnt take part in it, they are sworn enemies of BoB, (who crushed them atleast once). And connecting the corp theft to goons did offcourse increase the drama.

In the end I dont think this will matter much either. Goons are still no threat to eve. BoB will have a tough time setting everything up again, with the amount of logistics and administraion involved. And they will have to fight off real threats like PL, TCF etc. who will with no doubt use this opportunity. Stirring things up a bit in sov. 0.0 is a good thing. It has been stale for a while.

Maybe this will lead CCP to rework how corps/alliances are administrated. Maybe introducing optional safety, making it less easy for 1 character to do this kind of damage. Maybe requiring a board of directors input, some kind of vote, or even a predefined policy for the alliance/corp. on how to handle huge changes. Maybe nothing will change.

TL;DR: Goons wants you (and everyone else) to quit, this thread is goon ****ography. Goons achieve nothing, but are quick to take credit. This drama is sweet attention.

I hope I dont upset any low level goons who havent been introduced to the goon agenda.

SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2009.02.05 15:04:00 - [48]
 

The majority of the subscribers quite honestly couldn't give a hoot, they will just carry on with missioning / mining / trading as they always have. As has often been said most of the 200k subs are in empire anyway, and quite a few of those in 0.0 didn't have anything to do with bob/goons.

So life goes on as normal for most.

MidnightMartyr
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.02.05 15:38:00 - [49]
 

Personally I think that events like this make EVE unlike any other MMO that I've ever played. I love that this can happen. You don't HAVE to get involved in this political stuff. I don't and I'm perfectly content with my current activities.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:30:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Whats the point in anything!

*kills self*



*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*YARRRR!!

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:33:00 - [51]
 

Point of playing the game is to lose it.

and i lost.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:37:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Concorduck
Point of playing the game is to lose it.

and i lost.



with a haircut like that...who would have ever guessed!!!Laughing

Malphilos
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:38:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.



That is the spin, though no one spinning seems to be able to explain what that is.

Seems like a continuation of the day one culture to me.



nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:40:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.

And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.

And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.


One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:40:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Kiyamoh
So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.

For me, it's like a soap opera on multiple forums and they are both bad guys. I don't really care who gets poked in the eye because it's all good for me. In game they don't effect how I play in the least.

So let em tear each other a new one every other Tuesday till the end of time cause I'll be there with bells on, eating my popcorn and enjoying the show.

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:42:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.

And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.

And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.


One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.


but it does perfectly strike executor corp wreaking for alliance disbanding

The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:45:00 - [57]
 

Hmmm, perhaps justice has been served for all the lagbombs and devhax BoB freely admitted were in use.

Live by metagaming, die by metagaming.

I want to see a picture of Molle eating that pink fluffy hat with some bbq sauce.

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 - [58]
 

One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt.

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: nether void
One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt.
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

keep going, i need those laughts LaughingLaughingLaughing

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:57:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Concorduck
Originally by: nether void
One thing is for sure, CCP is going to lose money due to sub cancellations. No doubt.
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

keep going, i need those laughts LaughingLaughingLaughing


I think it's pretty funny you don't see it. Else you are just trolling me, and it doesn't matter what I reply with.


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