Posted - 2009.02.04 12:30:00 - [2]

 

for meds 2xLSE 4x rat specific hardeners
and 3x recharge rigs

Posted - 2009.02.05 22:29:00 - [4]

 

I have a related question, so I thought I'd use this thread to ask it.

Let's say I have a PvE Drake setup that has 2x LSE II, 1 invuln field and 3 rat-specific harderners in the mids. Would my tank improve in general if I replaced the third rat-specific hardener with a third LSE II?

I've been checking this in EFT and while I do get more EHP and a greater tank with a third LSE II, I'm concerned about the lower resist percentage offsetting any benefit I might gain.

Thoughts?

Posted - 2009.02.06 00:32:00 - [6]

 

Edited by: Kwade Kunum on 06/02/2009 00:37:31
Edited by: Kwade Kunum on 06/02/2009 00:36:16
I would use a fit like this:
Power Diagnostic system II
Shield Power Relay II x3

LSE II x3
Rat specific hardeners x3, ie, for Guristas, 2x Kinetic, and 1 Thermal

Arbalest Heavy Missile Launcher x7

Rigs:
3x Core Defense Field Purger I

Using a 60% kinetic/ 40% Thermal, tanks 810 dps with my skills, 1183 with all lvl 5s. Requires Engineering 5, among other things of course. Rigged T1 version tanks 575dps. Full T2, with 4 shield power relays with all maxxed skills tanks over 1600dps, but, all skills at 5 is a little unrealistic for 2.2m SP

Edit: Invun fields are useless(relatively) in PVE, When you know what type of damage the NPC will be using, you don't need to tank against every possible type, 3 invuln fields will always be outstripped by 3 rat-specifc hardeners.
Edit2: oh, yeah, I keep re-reading the post, and forgetting things :/. Again, like the poster above me said, EHP really doesn't matter in PvE too much, all that matters for a Drake is how fast your passive tank can recharge.

Posted - 2009.02.06 12:36:00 - [8]

 

Thanks very much for the replies. I use an invuln field on the Drake as an insurance of sorts, in case something unexpected comes up.

One other EFT-related question, just to be on the safe side: How exactly do you determine your ship's tank against a specific damage-type? (Full Damage - resist % - EFT Defence value = x) seems like a step in the right direction, but I feel like something's missing.

Posted - 2009.02.06 14:43:00 - [10]

 

Mozo Ozum. You have my gratitude.

Time to send the Drake to the chop shop.

Posted - 2009.02.06 19:35:00 - [12]

 

Edited by: Selia Rain on 06/02/2009 19:36:09
This is what I used for the longest time:

7x XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay <--switched to T2 sometime before I bought a nighthawk, these launchers were rat loot from ratting angels, and I just sold the arbalests offhand

3x Large Shield Extender II <--for T2 launchers drop one to an FS-9
1x Heat Dissipation Field II <--rat specific
2x Photon Scattering Field II <--rat specific

2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

3x Core Defence Field Purger I

5x Hobgoblin II <--rat specific, but hobgoblins are good vs everything but angels

Only a couple of missions would you have trouble with, and a lot can be handled just slowboating away from the rats(kiting works!), or increasing transversal a bit. I would never use shield rechargers, you want your resists as high as possible for the rats you're tanking(if you're lazy, there's a little icon in the mission brief showing who you're fighting generally). In l4s you should always specific tank(except for certain situations).

Posted - 2009.02.09 01:16:00 - [14]

 

Hi,
This is my current setup i am using to do L IV Missions...I have yet to come across a mission that i have had massive issues with other than miss agromanagement...

High-
7 x Malkuth Heavy Launchers (3 days till T2, though i think faction navy would fine with faction ammo)

Med-
1 x Inv T2, 2 x LSE T2, 1 x Heat Amp T2, 2 x Kin Amp T2 (now the amps you switch out dependent on damage, though i am doing guristas missions so not had to change them for ages)

Low-
3 x BCU T2, 1 x SPr T2

rigs-
3 x Core Defence Purger 1

Drones-
5 x Light Drones, i use hobgoblins T2, or Hornet T2 (they just batter frigs)


Now my cap just sits at 78% it never moves, and my shield rarely dips below 50% no matter what...Myself i would look more DPS, maybe i should invest in some Damage mods, rof mods in implant slots? All in all i find this ship quite nice to do missions in....

Posted - 2009.02.10 09:54:00 - [16]

 

Edited by: Srgt Sunshine on 10/02/2009 10:13:30

Well i got nice experience with

High Slots
7 Limes Heavy Launcher, 1 Salvager,

Med lots:
2 Dmg Specific Hardener, 1 Caldari dmg Specific Amplifier, 2 Regolith Shield Extender,

Low Slots
1 Caldari Ballistic Control 1 tech 2 Dmg Control and 2 Shield recharger tech2 for low slot.

Rigs
+2 Shield rigs who gives 20% recharge Rate and 1 dmg Rig which gives 10% more dmg

I have atm 2.080.000 sp and i can tank quite good i am activ in 0.0 and get no problems at all. To improve your dps u can use a lot of Tech2 which costs u more Cpu and energy or u go for Faction fitting. atm i plan to buy this fitting:

High
7x Caldari Navy Heavy Launchers ( which are faster firing Rate then tech 2 and less cpu)

Med
2x Caldari Navy Ballistic Sreens each gives 55% res
2x Tech 2 Shield Extender ( there is 1 faction Extender who gives more shield but i never have seen him on market)
1x Caldarie navy Kinetic Amplifier

Low
2x Tech 2 Shield recharger
1x Tech 2 Dmg Control
1 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control

Rigs
2x Shield Rigs 20% recharge rate
1x Missil launcher Rig ´´Warhead Upgrades´´ 10% more dmg

And u shouldt use Tech2 missils or faction missils When u do Missions i wouldt take faction missils cause u can get them in the Loyality Point shop for 3000 Lp 5000Heavy Missils and 2.5 mio isk <-- Not sure about the isk amount

The nice Thing on that Fitting is the most moduls are better then Tech 2 and require less Skills cause they count as Tech1, only Problem is u only shouldt use that fitting when u are : Not at War, Abel to warp out under any Circumstances, Not traveling trough low sec.

This fitting cost u a lot

The rigs 2x 15 mio isk 1x8mio isk
Hardener 2x 14 mio isk
Amplifier 1x 7 mio isk
Balistic Control 1x 64 mio isk
Launcher 7x 55 mio isk

that makes a total of 500-600 mio isk (variating all days) only the equip + The Price for Drake which is around 30 mio and the Insurence ( i hope u have a insurence :-) 10 mio isk.

Then there comes Drones and all tech 2 stuff.

I only will use this Fitting in 0.0 where my alliance is locatet and no neutrals or wartargets come along.

I hope i couldt help u somehow and plz be aware this Fitting is my opinion what wouldt be good and its no Garantie for a succesfull Live in eve. u shouldt be realy realy carefull if u got this fitting cause in lvl 4s u get scrammt jammt and webt. And of cause u need damm good engineering skills to keep the tank up. ( my advise all engineering skills who include Shield like : Tactical shield Manipulation, Shield Management, Shield Compensation .......... up to 4 thats my skills atm and its enough.

Best Greetings and fly save have fun.
EDIT:
Well there is one Invul field whats not useless and that is Dread Guristats Invul Field which costs around 350 mio but gives u 50% on everything but this is no Option it is something to put into a titan or Carrier. And read the Information from the moduls carefully cause the most getting restriction by using more then 1 of them for exampel

1 Hardener gives 50% the 2nd gives onl 25 and the 3rd 12.5% so better forget about putting a 3rd in and put something in to kill.