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Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:36:00 - [1]
 

Hi.
I am currently running lvl 3's in a passive drake with absolutely no problems. I am waiting on money (need 100mil more) and like 4 skills to get a raven and move up to lvl 4's. I have been surfing the forums for a LONG time, and after playing with EFT i have some up with three viable lvl 4 fits, and i want to see which ones the best.Laughing
They are as follows:

Active Raven XL
Highs:6 Malkuth cruise missile launchers, 1 Heavy diminishing Power drain, 1 drone link augumentator
Med's: 1 XL Shield booster II, 1 Shield Boost AMP II, 1 Med cap booster II with 800 charges, 3 mission spec hardeners II
Lows: 4 Cap Flux Coil II, 1 BCU II.
Rigs: 3 CCC's
Drones: 5 hammerheads
EFT Stats: 55k ehp, 879/879 defence for guristas, cap stable at 48%

Active Raven L
Highs:6 Malkuth cruise missile launchers, 1 Heavy diminishing Power drain, 1 drone link augumentator
Meds: 1 large Shield booster II,1 Shield Boost AMP II, I large Shield extender II, 3 Mission spec hardeners II
Lows: 4 Cap Flux Coul II, 1 BCU II.
Rigs: 3 CCC's
Drones: 5 hammerheads
EFT Stats: 70k ehp, 478/478 defence for guristas,cap stable at 52%

Passive Raven (dont laugh until you see the specs, there better than the Active Raven with large shield boooster.)
Highs: 6 Malkuth cruise missile launchers, 1 Heavy diminishing Power drain, 1 drone link augumentator
Meds: 4 large shield Extender II, 2 mission spec hardeners II
Lows: 5 Shield Power Relays II
Rigs: 3 Core defence field purgers
Drones: 5 hammerheads
EFT stats: 80k ehp, 558/558 defence for guristas, cap stable at 100%

I am fairly close to having the skills for all three setups (about 2 weeks)ans they all cost about 150 mill. Feel free to post alternate setups if you think they are better than what i have.
Also, please note that i use guristas as a defauld enemy, dealing 75% kinetic and 25% thermal. These numbers stay about the same for most enemies, and i change my hardeners accordingly.

ThanksLaughingLaughingLaughing

Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:43:00 - [2]
 

Here's your ideal PVE fit if you're not looting and salvaging (doesn't fit).

[Raven, Mission]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

5 x Hammer 2's
5 x Hobgoblin 2's

Obviously swap the hardners for the mission type. If your missile skills are poo, drop the amp or one of the hardners for a painter.

Try and get your fit as close to that as you can.

AIDSth3STDeath
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:48:00 - [3]
 

Thanks, my missile skills could use some work now that you mention it.
Do you happen to know if the cap is stable on your setup?

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:49:00 - [4]
 

soz, alt account

Acobar
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:52:00 - [5]
 

[Raven, xlarge permorun]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5


With the right cap skills you'll be able to permorun the booster, 500 dps perma tanked, about 400 dps output.

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 00:59:00 - [6]
 

Thanks, i hadn't consideres capacitor power relays. I will need to work on engineering a bit caus ewith my current skills i can only run it for 5 mins
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Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 01:02:00 - [7]
 

Oh and does anyone have an opinion on an active vs passive raven? it seems to me that 80k ehp is A LOT better than 55k.......

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.02.02 01:04:00 - [8]
 

No, do not passive tank the raven. lol. Once you get more familiar with the missions, raven, and provided you're using eve-survival.com, once you get to Caldari BS 4, you might want to think about getting a CNR. They're dirt cheap compared to what they used to be.

Basically use the same setup for the most part. I run a Dual Small Pithi B Shield Booster setup, only mission I've had problems with in it was Enemies Abound 5/5.

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 01:16:00 - [9]
 

I do use Eve survival. I also have looked at the CNR, but i felt that it was a bit too far from my current price range (this raven stretches it)and i also do not have a strong understanding of the Contract system in EVE. i probably should get on that i guess sinve ive been playing EVE for 32 days.....

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.02.02 01:43:00 - [10]
 

fit 4 bcus and permatank.

[Raven, large booster raven]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Cap Recharger II

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Small Tractor Beam I

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 01:53:00 - [11]
 

That is a nice setup for damage dealing, but until i feel comfortabel taking on level fours i think a heftier tank is necessary. i dont know if i can handle only having 7500 shield (my drake had 13000 and before that my caracal had 10000) and 180/180 defence and i certainly dont have the skills to permarun that setup. Again, as i become more comfortable with tanking lvl 4's i will be able to sacrifice a tank for damage output but for now the priority is tank.Very Happy

Johann Callasan
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.02 02:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cadult Seaid
That is a nice setup for damage dealing, but until i feel comfortabel taking on level fours i think a heftier tank is necessary. i dont know if i can handle only having 7500 shield (my drake had 13000 and before that my caracal had 10000) and 180/180 defence and i certainly dont have the skills to permarun that setup. Again, as i become more comfortable with tanking lvl 4's i will be able to sacrifice a tank for damage output but for now the priority is tank.Very Happy


Something you may want to consder in your setups -

First of all, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT passive-tank a Raven, or any other battleship for that matter. The reason that passive tanking works on BCs and lesser is that their native shield regen is fast - 5-600 secs, that can be dropped down into the high 100s with the right modules. Can't do that on a BS - the shield regen is just too slow, especially for the damage output of L4s.

That's why most L4 tanks you see around are active - even with the threat of neuts (why a lot of setups carry cap injectors). There's just not enough passive regen.

Secondly, remember to a extent gank = tank, the faster you take out the incoming the less you have to tank.

Thirdly, remember if you're worried about tanking, damage you resist is damage you don't take. To that effect, remember that Damage Controls do NOT stack with other resistance mods, and can give a big boost to resists since they do NOT have a stacking penalty - in effect, they take it off the top,

Dual Pithi setups (two Pithi B-Type Small Boosters plus a SHield Boost Amplifier II) are decent low-skill active tank setups - while they don't have the resists of a XL or L setup, the capability to permarun one booster while pulsing the other can make shield management easier - ESPECIALLY with a DC II in the lows. With excellent skills, you can drop the shield boost amp and fit a PWNAGE for even more gank. Their only limit is cost - Pithi B-Types being roughly 40 mil per on contract.

Anyway, that's some thoughts for you - what you do with 'em is, of cource, your choice.

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 03:57:00 - [13]
 

Ok, i messed around with my setup, and i think i have one that is good for me, but i have two high slots left and only 36 cpu left. Powergrid is not a porblem, i have over 2500 left. Any segestions on what to put in the highs? here is my current setup:
highs: 6 XT-9000 cruise launchers
meds: i XL shield booster II, i shield boost amplifier II, 1 medium capacitor booster II with 800 charges, 3 mission specific hardeners tech II
lows: 1 BCS II, 3 CPR II,1 Capacitor flux coil II
Rigs: 3 CCC
Drones:5 Hammerhead II and 5 Hobogoblin II
EFT: 55k ehp, 674/674 defence for guristas, cap stable at 47%


Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2009.02.02 04:22:00 - [14]
 

You're going about this the wrong way, don't waste your time with a cap booster, you'll just run out of changes before the mission is complete.

The key to using a Raven with an XL booster is to actively tap on/off the booster, and repair your shields as you go, not to try and perma run it. Drop the cap booster and add another hardener.

I used this set up pre-QR, it should be still good if that's what you're looking for.
[Raven, Current]
Ballistic Control System II
Local Power Plant Manager: Capacitor Flux I
Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Flux
Mark I Generator Refitting: Capacitor Flux
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Shield Booster I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I
Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I

Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Drones and missiles should be mission specific, as should the hardeners.

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.02 04:31:00 - [15]
 

will the cap recharge in time for me to re activate teh booster when i need it? that was my biggest worry when considering pulsing the booster. if i only have 7500 shield will that be enough of a buffer to let my cap regen if im takin hits from battleships plus multiple other ships?

Malakai0
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.02.02 04:36:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Malakai0 on 02/02/2009 04:43:55
Edited by: Malakai0 on 02/02/2009 04:39:03
Edited by: Malakai0 on 02/02/2009 04:37:51
There are some named bs in missions whose tank that fit will not come close to cracking.

1 BCU is not enough, malkuth cruise also not enough IMO.

Even if you need to warp out once and awhile, fit more dps. 2-3 BCU II. And use Cruise II if you can. Also keep high dmg T2 cruise in your hold for missions with powerful named bs that need to be killed (2 I know of, cant think of missions off hand, with heavy tank bs as the last target for mission complete).

My skills are probably better and im not in empire anymore, but my mission raven was as follows
6 cruise II
best named XL booster, boost amp or painter, 4 rat specific hards]
3 bcuII 2 pduII. visa versa the numbers for hardest missions, or make it 2/2 and add a dcu II.

5 light and 5 med drones, or just 7 med since they seem to work just fine even on mission inties.

edit: I see the setup here is already posted. Its pretty much hands down the best.

Keep in mind some L4s are almost or all frigs cruisers and bc, in such cases drake or cerb will clear them much faster.

Even the above setup all T2 took almost 20 minutes to crack the tank of a named bs rat at the end of a long multistage mission once or twice.


edit2: at your skills you will do better isk/hour 2 manning level 4's with a friend. Have them in a BC with an uber passive tank and take out small targets while you take out bs in your setup (modified for much more dmg), and then you can work together to take down heavy tanks. When your done one of u can go in an indy and loot all the mods while the other goes in a destroyer or hurricane for salvaging. You can quickly wipe up a mission, turn it in, loot and salvage, and move on.

Arkeladin
Posted - 2009.02.02 05:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cadult Seaid
Ok, i messed around with my setup, and i think i have one that is good for me, but i have two high slots left and only 36 cpu left. Powergrid is not a porblem, i have over 2500 left. Any segestions on what to put in the highs? here is my current setup:
highs: 6 XT-9000 cruise launchers
meds: i XL shield booster II, i shield boost amplifier II, 1 medium capacitor booster II with 800 charges, 3 mission specific hardeners tech II
lows: 1 BCS II, 3 CPR II,1 Capacitor flux coil II
Rigs: 3 CCC
Drones:5 Hammerhead II and 5 Hobogoblin II
EFT: 55k ehp, 674/674 defence for guristas, cap stable at 47%




If you are going to insist on that setup (overcapped IMHO), lost the shield power relays and fit flux coils.

Reason being that CPRs nerf your SHIELD BOOST, pretty much removing your booster usage if you have enough of ';em fitted.

Most effective use of a active tank is it's on-demand boosting - providing you're not getting neuted, of course - always remember to take out hte neuts first.

Permaboost setups should be looked at as temporary ONLY - as you get more comfortable wiht ative tanking,. you can reduce or eliminate the permaboost setup in favor of a pulsed setup. You'll get more gank, which means you run missions more effectively, which means more ISK/hour.

Either way, enjoy the game.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.02.02 08:05:00 - [18]
 

For the perma tank raven/CNR

Lows:

2 Cap Power Relay
3 BCS

Meds:

1x XL Shield Booster
2x Primary NPC damage
1x Secondary NPC damge
2x Cap Rechargers

Highs

6-7x Cruise II
1x Drone link augmentor, tractor beam, w/e

Rigs

3x CCC

Everything T2 (minus the rigs and the ammo) and drones depending on the mission. You'll need Shield Comp IV, Energy Mgmt IV and Energy Systems Operation V.

Enjoy.

Spaztick
Terminal Impact
Kairakau
Posted - 2009.02.02 08:14:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Johann Callasan
Originally by: Cadult Seaid
That is a nice setup for damage dealing, but until i feel comfortabel taking on level fours i think a heftier tank is necessary. i dont know if i can handle only having 7500 shield (my drake had 13000 and before that my caracal had 10000) and 180/180 defence and i certainly dont have the skills to permarun that setup. Again, as i become more comfortable with tanking lvl 4's i will be able to sacrifice a tank for damage output but for now the priority is tank.Very Happy


Something you may want to consder in your setups -

First of all, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT passive-tank a Raven, or any other battleship for that matter. The reason that passive tanking works on BCs and lesser is that their native shield regen is fast - 5-600 secs, that can be dropped down into the high 100s with the right modules. Can't do that on a BS - the shield regen is just too slow, especially for the damage output of L4s.

That's why most L4 tanks you see around are active - even with the threat of neuts (why a lot of setups carry cap injectors). There's just not enough passive regen.

Secondly, remember to a extent gank = tank, the faster you take out the incoming the less you have to tank.

Thirdly, remember if you're worried about tanking, damage you resist is damage you don't take. To that effect, remember that Damage Controls do NOT stack with other resistance mods, and can give a big boost to resists since they do NOT have a stacking penalty - in effect, they take it off the top,

Dual Pithi setups (two Pithi B-Type Small Boosters plus a SHield Boost Amplifier II) are decent low-skill active tank setups - while they don't have the resists of a XL or L setup, the capability to permarun one booster while pulsing the other can make shield management easier - ESPECIALLY with a DC II in the lows. With excellent skills, you can drop the shield boost amp and fit a PWNAGE for even more gank. Their only limit is cost - Pithi B-Types being roughly 40 mil per on contract.

Anyway, that's some thoughts for you - what you do with 'em is, of cource, your choice.
You can in fact passive tank a Raven or Rokh, your damage will just suck for it.

Kirtan Loor
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2009.02.02 09:00:00 - [20]
 

Here are the passive ones in case you want to try out passive tanking. First uses torpedoes instead of cruise launchers. For the second setup(cruise), you'll need BCS's on lows, which cuts down on your tank. I'm not saying these setups are superior...they are just different.

[Raven, Passive Raven vs Guristas Torp]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Torpedo
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

Around 500 dps without drones. Drones should be hitting small size ships anyway. 723+ dps tanked vs guristas (944 with another active thermal hardener instead of target painter).

Cruise setup:

[Raven, Passive Raven vs Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

604dps tanked 400dps dealt without drones. Cruises are generally more useful on missions because of their good range.



velmistr Ecco
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2009.02.02 12:06:00 - [21]
 

You should have at least 2x BCS IIs in lows. If you have laggy internet conection, consider using permarun setup like this:
[Raven, Mission raven T2 NEW!!! copy 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

there are lots of various setups - all depends on your skills. If your skills sucks, use cap flux coils instead of PDS.

If you have reliable internet conection, use XL-booster with pulses only (it eats same cap as LSB, but it is harder to fit). You can also consider dual pithi B-type small shield boosters (they are cheap and effective).

XL-booster example:

[Raven, Ratting cruise]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Also consider using faction ammo and definitelly be ready to loose your ship (insure it).
But again: don't passive tank it - permarun active is always better and really good tanking setups are active. IMOHO one of the best mod to fit on your raven is Pithum A-type medium shield booster - but it is rather expensive.

Fly safe!

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2009.02.02 12:56:00 - [22]
 

Raven is crappy. Either go for a CNR (very cheap these days) or stick with the Drake with T2 launchers (needs some skilling ofcourse).

My Drake with T2 heavies has higher DPS than a T1 cruise Raven (T2 cruise missiles are crap).

Here is a fairly good setup:

[Drake, Drake traditional]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

Around 460 omnidefence and 450 DPS.

daisy dook
Posted - 2009.02.02 15:30:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: daisy dook on 02/02/2009 15:32:45
You know what all these fits are missing?


pwnage...





-- Edit,I might not have been te first to mention it Embarassed

pausert
Caldari
AFK
Posted - 2009.02.02 17:01:00 - [24]
 

The suggestion to use a Drake is a very good idea. You can get used to running lvl 4 missions in a ship that is easy to tank, and with the latest missile nerf, actually can do them in near the same time as a standard Raven. Low SP Ravens don't have good DPS unless you fit a painter, and if you do, you end up with a weak tank. There is a reason why people say use a CNR.
The above fit given to you as the standard Drake setup is a very good lvl 4 fit, I used that fit for a long time, without any problems except against that 2.5 million bounty boss (forgot her name ).Smile

velmistr Ecco
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2009.02.02 20:29:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: velmistr Ecco on 02/02/2009 20:30:08
Originally by: GyokZoli
Raven is crappy. Either go for a CNR (very cheap these days) or stick with the Drake with T2 launchers (needs some skilling ofcourse).

My Drake with T2 heavies has higher DPS than a T1 cruise Raven (T2 cruise missiles are crap).


What's wrong with t2 cruise missiles? Morover my raven has more dps with t1 drake (same skills in both). But I admit I haven't been missioning since patch due to war dec'ing. Drake had always problem with high bounty rats esp. if you are not fighting kinetic weak NPCs (like Angels). Raven is worse than CNR but definitely better than drake for lvl4 missioning.

If OP waits for money to buy raven I guess he is not willing to wait to buy CNR for price of 3 ravens esp. if he has no clue how to fly it effectively.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.02.02 20:44:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cadult Seaid
Ok, i messed around with my setup, and i think i have one that is good for me, but i have two high slots left and only 36 cpu left. Powergrid is not a porblem, i have over 2500 left. Any segestions on what to put in the highs? here is my current setup:
highs: 6 XT-9000 cruise launchers
meds: i XL shield booster II, i shield boost amplifier II, 1 medium capacitor booster II with 800 charges, 3 mission specific hardeners tech II
lows: 1 BCS II, 3 CPR II,1 Capacitor flux coil II
Rigs: 3 CCC
Drones:5 Hammerhead II and 5 Hobogoblin II
EFT: 55k ehp, 674/674 defence for guristas, cap stable at 47%




if you have that much pg left why not fit a heavy cap booster?

also ffs fit more bcus!

3 cprs and a flux with 3cccs the thing should damn near perma run anyways, get your skills up!

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.02.02 20:55:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Arkeladin
Originally by: Cadult Seaid
Ok, i messed around with my setup, and i think i have one that is good for me, but i have two high slots left and only 36 cpu left. Powergrid is not a porblem, i have over 2500 left. Any segestions on what to put in the highs? here is my current setup:
highs: 6 XT-9000 cruise launchers
meds: i XL shield booster II, i shield boost amplifier II, 1 medium capacitor booster II with 800 charges, 3 mission specific hardeners tech II
lows: 1 BCS II, 3 CPR II,1 Capacitor flux coil II
Rigs: 3 CCC
Drones:5 Hammerhead II and 5 Hobogoblin II
EFT: 55k ehp, 674/674 defence for guristas, cap stable at 47%




If you are going to insist on that setup (overcapped IMHO), lost the shield power relays and fit flux coils.

Reason being that CPRs nerf your SHIELD BOOST, pretty much removing your booster usage if you have enough of ';em fitted.

Most effective use of a active tank is it's on-demand boosting - providing you're not getting neuted, of course - always remember to take out hte neuts first.

Permaboost setups should be looked at as temporary ONLY - as you get more comfortable wiht ative tanking,. you can reduce or eliminate the permaboost setup in favor of a pulsed setup. You'll get more gank, which means you run missions more effectively, which means more ISK/hour.

Either way, enjoy the game.



ffs, yes yes it does, but you end up over tanking so much regardless that it doesn't ****ing matter, and the boost penalty is even stacking nerfed.

5 cap power relays with a xl booster, boost amp, and 2 primary 2 secondary hardeners tanks over 800 against guristas. how ever will I tank with my nerfed shield boost Sad

the large booster setup I posted earlier tanks a bit over 400 against guristas and hasn't had a problem tanking at all.

brinelan
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.02 21:01:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cadult Seaid
i probably should get on that i guess sinve ive been playing EVE for 32 days.....


This here is going to hurt you the most. If you cant fit all t2 mods, and have at least battelship 4 you are better off staying with lvl 3's until you can.

Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2009.02.02 22:41:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Cadult Seaid
will the cap recharge in time for me to re activate teh booster when i need it? that was my biggest worry when considering pulsing the booster. if i only have 7500 shield will that be enough of a buffer to let my cap regen if im takin hits from battleships plus multiple other ships?


If you play your missions correctly, you shouldn't have much of a problem. If you're worried about your HP, you should train skills to increase it, I have my raven at 9000 hp, shield wise.

The thing to remember is, a with a properly resistance tanked bs, NPCs will do very little, provided you keep your wits about you, and make sure not to mess up your aggro, and a XL shield booster will fix a lot of the damage they do inflict on you.

Cadult Seaid
Posted - 2009.02.03 00:46:00 - [30]
 

Ok, so i need better skills and a navy raven instead? What skills would be good to fi this proberly, all my engineering skills are at four. is it worth it to keep in my drake and do lvl 3's until i have like godly skills or to get a raven asap?


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