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Eran Laude
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:33:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Major Deviant
You want an Icelandic Company to show goodwill to the UK market, when the UK goverment used anti-terror legistlation to seize Icelandic assets just few months ago?


Legislation comprehension fail right there.

The relevant laws needed to tackle the problem of several tens of billions of British savings being trapped in failed Icelandic banks were part of the anti-terror legislation; we never called them terrorists, but as is the case with several other Parliamentary acts, their actual role is much broader than their title, which just defines their main purpose. The legislation doesn't have to be used to specifically combat terrorism where it is relevant.

Please go back and develop a greater understanding of the UK Parliament's legislation before posting that rubbish again.

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.01.30 08:09:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 30/01/2009 08:09:25
It's just plain embarrassing being British with people like you spouting *******s about how other people "hate our country". You sound American, sort yourself out.

BLAIYNE
Shadow Play
Posted - 2009.01.30 08:53:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Asuka Smith

As it happens most countries have atrocious government and the populace is completely out of step with the party line. The Icelanders probably do not even hate Brown as much as some people in the UK.


QFT, especially the bolded part.

And I'm British.




Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2009.01.30 09:24:00 - [64]
 

Quote:
It's just plain embarrassing being British with people like you spouting *******s about how other people "hate our country". You sound American, sort yourself out.


This. Whilst the american may know that the world hates him, the attitude would be one of "**** you". We limeys also know that the world hates us, but that's ok because we hate ourselves too. There's something rather joyous about coming from one of the world's oldest imperial powers. I'm sure the Dutch can appreciate this and hell, after the Boer war it's this common realisation of our position in a modern world that keeps things civil between countries like Netherlands and the UK.

History is a very heavy thing to carry around.

Anyway, remember that CCP also pays for it's servers in GBP, as they are hosted in UK. I wonder what effect that is having on the cost of keeping the cluster alive...

Morsus Argent
Posted - 2009.01.30 09:46:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Morsus Argent on 30/01/2009 09:46:37
Originally by: Rutger Centemus
...

That was a nice argument against your hallucination of what's being asked for and the reasoning behind it, but sadly it's not really relevant to anyone except the voices in your head. I'm sure they loved it though. Wink

Once again, being able to offer subscriptions in GBP would potentially benefit CCP, just as offering subscriptions in both USD and EUR does, even though varying exchange rates mean it will sometimes be cheaper in one currency than another (like it is in USD right now, even allowing for tax). Whether it's worth CCP doing it depends on numerous factors, including how many British subscribers they actually have, but, once again, it is not an unreasonable thing to ask for.

Stop acting like the British are demanding to eat your babies.

Mmm, babies.

simon perry
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.01.30 09:48:00 - [66]
 

To be honest I can’t be bothered to read all this thread... when scrolling down all I sore was political crap and country hating.

Personally all I know is this time last year I was paying £14 maybe just under for a three month GTC, where as now I am paying £22 maybe just over for a two month GTC...

So in my opinion our subscription does need to be reviewed because at this current time I am having to expire one of my accounts due to the outrageous prices. Baring this in mind unless CCP act how many other subscriptions are they going to lose?

PREVIOUSLY – 2 X GTC = £28 = 3 MONTHS
2009 - 2 X GTC = £44 = 2 MONTHS

So yeah I’m behind you... Now let’s get back to subject and leave the crap out…

Sade Onyx
Posted - 2009.01.30 09:51:00 - [67]
 

I wonder, when CCP gets its subscription money do they then convert it into their own national currency?.. Or do they have a bank in US and a bank in EU and keep a large part of it there.

If they convert all payments into their own currency then I guess their costs have gone through the roof!

The servers are in the UK which means they must have some kind of system to pay in GBP, since the icelandic currency has completly crashed I would have thought that collecting the UK subscriptions in sterling then paying their server bills in the UK would be a lot more efficient.

Bottom line is, in this economic situation it really would be beneficial for CCP to accept GBP subscriptions, it would lower the UK customers cost and would probably translate into more profit.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:07:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Shionoya Risa
Edited by: Shionoya Risa on 29/01/2009 21:00:22
Originally by: Major Deviant


You want an Icelandic Company to show goodwill to the UK market, when the UK goverment used anti-terror legistlation to seize Icelandic assets just few months ago?



UK Market != UK Government.

Disclaimer: 'UK Market' defines active subscribers of the online computer game, EVE Online, and no other parties.


It's the UK consumer base that installed the UK government.

Saphirro
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:18:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Major Deviant

You want an Icelandic Company to show goodwill to the UK market, when the UK goverment used anti-terror legistlation to seize Icelandic assets just few months ago?

Short memory span?




Fair enough. I'll be happy then when all the UK players pull out of financing one of the Icelandic companies any further.
Maybe the UK Government should pass a bill that becomes law preventing the UK market from giving any more money to CCP.

Now, which one of the two should CCP realistically concern themselves with?

The UK Market cancelling their subs because it costs too much, or the the UK government banning it's people outright from paying?

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:24:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: cpt Mark on 30/01/2009 10:28:58
Made a nice long post that got lost in internet, but basically the guy talking about Uk being kicked out of the EU was aload of rubbish.

Also, people don't appreciate this only concerns CCP and UK customers. I have no doubt many UK customers will stop playing the game because of increased costs. Therefore, any reduction in possible profits by allowing UK members to pay in GBP will actually be less than reduction in profits due to less customers.

There is also the added benefit that customers wont head off to competition, and EVE can sustain its increase in player base.

I voted for EVE to win many MMORPG awards, please don't let me think this was bad.

Saphirro
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:30:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Shionoya Risa
Edited by: Shionoya Risa on 29/01/2009 21:00:22
Originally by: Major Deviant


You want an Icelandic Company to show goodwill to the UK market, when the UK goverment used anti-terror legistlation to seize Icelandic assets just few months ago?



UK Market != UK Government.

Disclaimer: 'UK Market' defines active subscribers of the online computer game, EVE Online, and no other parties.


It's the UK consumer base that installed the UK government.


They all voted for Labour. I read that too.

Saphirro
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:31:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Major Deviant

You want an Icelandic Company to show goodwill to the UK market, when the UK goverment used anti-terror legistlation to seize Icelandic assets just few months ago?

Short memory span?


Our logs show nothing...

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:43:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: cpt Mark
Edited by: cpt Mark on 30/01/2009 10:28:58
Made a nice long post that got lost in internet, but basically the guy talking about Uk being kicked out of the EU was aload of rubbish.

Also, people don't appreciate this only concerns CCP and UK customers. I have no doubt many UK customers will stop playing the game because of increased costs. Therefore, any reduction in possible profits by allowing UK members to pay in GBP will actually be less than reduction in profits due to less customers.

There is also the added benefit that customers wont head off to competition, and EVE can sustain its increase in player base.

I voted for EVE to win many MMORPG awards, please don't let me think this was bad.

So unless CCP does as you say, eve is going to die and your over 9000 friends are all going to quit eve?

It sucks for you, but there is no reason at all why they should make it cheaper for you to play. Just pay what everyone else pays, not their fault the gbp is dropping.

If they start giving you special treatment, where should they stop? Why should you get it and zimbabwe not?

Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:44:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Vincent Death
I would just like to confirm that contrary to what other posters may say, the UK is a sinkhole of pure evil which makes Mordor look like Candy Land. We haven't forgotten about our former colonies either, so watch your back America, watch your back.


We watch many, many backs.


Saphirro
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:55:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer

It sucks for you, but there is no reason at all why they should make it cheaper for you to play. Just pay what everyone else pays, not their fault the gbp is dropping.



Just pay what everyone else pays? Isn't that kind of the point of the OP?

I do very much love the head in the sand mentality. Fact is, that some, yes some, not all but some people will find EvE too expensive to keep paying for, and with unsubbed training gone too will pack the game in for good.

How is that good for CCP?

Of course it will be based purely on analysis, very much like unsubbed training -

Is the potential benefit of squeezing more money out of a weak currency worth more to the bottom line than reducing the cost and maintaining great numbers (or even encouraging more, especially with the Box going retail in March)

I don't know, neither do you. CCP probably don't either to be honest however they have two major things that concern them:

Bottom line profits and PR of the game via concurrent logins records.

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:01:00 - [76]
 

Couldn't have put it better myself.

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:05:00 - [77]
 

ccp have stated before in a dev blog and various postings no less that a) they operate in several currencies US$, Euros chinesse yuan icelandic currency, they are also engaged in currency hedging which would balance out the risks. They wouldnt be undertaking this massive expansion if Real life profits were in danger dont forget they are owned by various private investors who have a long term interest and as such dont expect to see things move much they are making good profit margins eve is expanding its a good time

Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:09:00 - [78]
 

As a Brit, I'm a bit upset that the costs have risen for me to play, but its nothing major yet, my last GTC was about £3 more.

Don't get me wrong, should it go very bad and I end up paying loads, I might have to consider having a break, but at the moment its an annoyance, nothing more.

And then, of course, you have to account for the fact that we had it very good - even when I started last year, a 60 day eve sub was costing me around £17!

So I'm not complaining, if it rises above a manageable level, yeah I may take a break, otherwise its not too bad.

Please remember not all us brits are whining that we should get it cheaper than everyone else, most of us are nice people.

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:15:00 - [79]
 

Elano you have not read posts and have an unstructured argument.

Lazal Nahn
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Vanguard
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:27:00 - [80]
 

Correct me if I am wrong but you pay roughly the same as customers paying in Euro. You pay 13 pounds which is about 14,50€. So its basically the same.

But as many others have said already; It's not our fault you remained isolated and voted against the €.
It was forseeable that the € would become the strongest currency but still you didn't want it.
We respected your decision but now you should stand by it and not whine.

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:30:00 - [81]
 

Yes, we wanted to be different and so didn't take the Euro. Now let us exercise our right to be different and allow us to pay in our national currency.

Thank you.

Lazal Nahn
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Vanguard
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:35:00 - [82]
 

Oh right and after that CCP will offer it to everyone. Players from Zimbabwe, Thailand, Indonesia, Egypt etc. What a mess that would be.

It really quite simple. The 2 largest currencies are the $ and the € in that order. Even that with a camparably very small percentage comes first the Yen and then the pound.
So its reasonable to only allow the sub to be paid in the 2 largest currencies.
If the pound was comparable to € or $ I'm sure CCP would offer you to pay in pounds.But it isnt by a large margin that is the trouble and should be understandable.

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:40:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Oh right and after that CCP will offer it to everyone. Players from Zimbabwe, Thailand, Indonesia, Egypt etc. What a mess that would be.

It really quite simple. The 2 largest currencies are the $ and the € in that order. Even that with a camparably very small percentage comes first the Yen and then the pound.
So its reasonable to only allow the sub to be paid in the 2 largest currencies.
If the pound was comparable to € or $ I'm sure CCP would offer you to pay in pounds.But it isnt by a large margin that is the trouble and should be understandable.


1) The gaming industry has already adapted and offered games in GBP - CCP is behind the industry.

2)The UK is in no way comparable to all the other countries you just listed, and the GBP although weaker, is a very stable currency.

3) If you walked into a UK shop and wanted to buy something in dollars you would be ***** slapped.

If there's any other irrelevant considerations please feel free to do so, but I'm sure many other European players have already posted them.

Lazal Nahn
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Vanguard
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:42:00 - [84]
 

Yes its so stable that you are complaining about the unfavourable exchange rates right now.Rolling Eyes

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:44:00 - [85]
 

No case to answer.

Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:57:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Correct me if I am wrong but you pay roughly the same as customers paying in Euro. You pay 13 pounds which is about 14,50€. So its basically the same.




Yeah, it works out roughly the same. We just had a long time of favourable exchange rates.

As I said, I'm certainly not complaining, just wanted to make the point that not all British people are whining and *****ing about it :)

cpt Mark
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:08:00 - [87]
 

firstly, this isn't a whine.

secondly i accept you may not have been hit by the economic crisis like the majority of the UK population, which is fine. Just don't ***** to the rest of us about it please.

Also, if you are under the belief a 1:1 ratio is 'the same' you are incredibly mistaken.

Morsus Argent
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:13:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Lazal Nahn
Oh right and after that CCP will offer it to everyone. Players from Zimbabwe, Thailand, Indonesia, Egypt etc. What a mess that would be.

Well, no. Suggesting they offer it to the 6th largest economy in the world (based on GDP, if you include the EU as a separate whole) would not mean they should also do the same for the 135th, 33rd, 22nd, 52nd, etc. largest economies.

Originally by: Lazal Nahn
It really quite simple. The 2 largest currencies are the $ and the € in that order. Even that with a camparably very small percentage comes first the Yen and then the pound.
So its reasonable to only allow the sub to be paid in the 2 largest currencies.

Faulty reasoning. That's an argument for allowing the sub to be paid in USD and EUR. It does not follow that they should not allow the sub to be paid in GBP.

As I've said, it basically comes down to whether the number of British subscribers make it worth it to CCP in the long run.

Either way, it's still not an unreasonable thing to ask for.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:16:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/01/2009 12:21:20
Quote:
Just pay what everyone else pays? Isn't that kind of the point of the OP?


If that is his point, then why is he whining so much that he wants to pay less than everyon else pays? Many people just buy GTCs in USD, also from euro countries. If you want to pay the same as everyone else pays, then do the same as everyone else does...

Quote:
the GBP [...] is a very stable currency.

GBP in USD:
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Define very stable please

Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:20:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 30/01/2009 12:22:18
Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 30/01/2009 12:21:41 --Can't spell--
Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 30/01/2009 12:21:38 -- Server error Shocked --
I vaguely remember a lot of brits flying all over europe having a big mounth and throwing money around like it was nothing because back then the euro and the pound where not 1.4 = 1 but more like 2.something = 1. Not that that is a bad thing hell if it was the other way around I am sure may europeans woudl have done the same in the UK Cool

But I guess that it is not so much a problem of CCP at this point I mean they are still getting a steady stream of money in and they are happy, as soon as CCP starts seeing a big enough number of UK customers leaving or a drop off in the number of new UK subscribers then they will certainly act. Till that time I expect you to have to sit this one out and hope for better times for your currency.

Oh, and no I don't hate the UK, I feel for you when I see the kind of people that traveled all over europe for a stag party... I guess that just gives you guys and girls one more reason to hope your currency recovers quickly. (then again the dutch are most likely no better they just have the euro and thus don't save anything by traveling to another country for a stag party)


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