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samuel Aroq
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:32:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Jove X
Whats up with the Jove?
How can Lady Sarum be an acceptable Empress when Khanid II got run out of town ... etc
etc.


Jove is jove, they are elusive =)

Khanid did not get run out of town, he ran out of town on his own when not wanting to follow tradition.

Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:43:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Jove X
Thats a nice touch and everything, but before you go adding new backstory, you might want to fix up some of the loose threads already dangling?

Fixing loose dangly threads leads to Star Wars episode 1-3.



Yeah. Next up: Star Wars 3 and 1/2 : The Quest For More Money. I hear jar-jar is in it alot.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:54:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Freyya on 30/01/2009 07:55:31
Originally by: london
As I stated in the comments for the blog, I just hope this new faction is of human decent and not some cheesy star trek alien type. :/




The Sleepers are among oneof the first to set foot in New Eden via the EvE gate. EvE was never ment to be the alien kind game since it focusses on humans and their way of thought. Conflicts and all...

Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Your timing of this question could not be better!

Check out the when evolution leaps forward blog by CCP Ytterbium for all of your answers Very Happy


Is that your alt? Nice introduction, and very fortunate if it wasn't planned in advance.


Hehe i can fully denie any altism...i wish ^^
Just a very fortunate timing since i was wondering who they were going to be for a longer time now.
The 4 ancients and the Enheduanni have been captivating my imagination for a long time now (well over a year) and i was researching them to use in my Fanfic novel. As such i was already hoping it was themVery Happy

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:12:00 - [64]
 

when do we get to play with these sleepers on sisi ? or is ccp going to bypass pre expansion sisi testing and go straight on march 10 with these changes ?

Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:39:00 - [65]
 

Why would the four ancient races have evolved into the Einheduani? What is to say that we are not looking at a similar situation as now with 5 races, four in active struggle amongst them self’s and one that has moved away from the rest of them to lead a secluded live a live in which they are able to evolve them self’s and their technology far beyond what the other races are capable of...

I would expect the war to have raged on for a long time sparked off by who knows what. The Einheduani could have stepped in, in the end and pushed the existing races out to their own corners of the universe. Effectively ending the war and paving the way for us to make out way to new Eden.

Sleepers might just have been the first race that found the way back, or maybe those pesky sisters of eve found a way to create a “stargate” in the hopes to make our way back to earth. But instead of having achieved this they somehow homed in on the Sleepers due to the fact that they used Sleeper technology in order to be able to create this gate. Of course something went wrong the gate turned out to be unstable and caused “mini” wormholes to open up across the known universe. This then gives the sleepers the ability to come to low sec space and push some pirates around out there, while giving us the ability to move to Sleeper space where we can pester them.
Sleepers for what ever reason didn’t need gates (maybe this is because of their cryotechnology skills that they are able to survive the long time required to travel between the systems without going insane or dying of boredom.

For all we know our knowledge of history is wrong… we might simply be decedents of these ancient races with the Jove obviously descending from the Einheduani giving them the ability to move away from us at a higher pace. The opening of the EVE gate and the catastrophic failure of the gate might have happened many thousands of years earlier then our history books tell us. We could very well be decedents of the few scattered peoples left behind when the Einheduani ripped apart space and time as we know it and moved the warring factions to the furthest reaches of the galaxy. Leaving us to recover from the shock of total destruction of all fundaments that we had build our life’s on, causing us to revert back to a much simpler lifestyle in the end evolving into the five races as we know them today.

I think assuming that what we know about the ancient races and what we believe we know from our own history might simply be assuming too much, you should not forget that the history of the eve gate had to be pieced together by the separate races and having reinvented space travel and meeting up with the other races this collective knowledge had to be fitted together in a way that created a plausible account of what actually happened all those thousands of years ago. Who is to say that the memories as they where passed on from one generation to the next on our separate home worlds stayed 100% correct? Why would we assume that the scholars of old didn’t make a compromise when the various history books didn’t line up yet they where tasked to fit the existence of this newly discovered race in to our own history.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:49:00 - [66]
 

That Jove flying his BS into the gate? He did it ...

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:53:00 - [67]
 

[pink] the big question is what will the sleepers represent - a machine AI perhaps not to different from the drones but perhaps more evolved. Given that they live in wspace, perhaps the 2500 systems represent linked wormhole systems not linked to the main eve galaxy until this coming big event ( which will happen on march 10) reopens old links from the eve universe perhaps to existing eve systems that got cut off early on ( if the sleepers were original eve inhabitants they to would have been cut off from earth) perhaps they discovered a technology to open up wormholes and all of them went thro from eve to a third area of undiscovered space. Perhaps it all got cut off leavign them cut off until now

Will the accidential reopening of the wormholes be linked to a) something the eve races do b) soemthing the sleepers do c) something natural

Also will the sleepers be machine, AI minded or a real race that has advanced to something else ? how cohesive will they be by the sounds of it they are roaming without settled systems ..... yet. We await the slow dribbel of dev blogs from ccp on it and probably no sisi testing either [pink]

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2009.01.30 10:58:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 30/01/2009 11:03:22
I want WAR!!

PvE goes PvP! Sleeper emerging like shadows and busting balls in all areas (high-sec also), we have a enemy!


So, that's not going to happed. I hope Sleepers would "mimic" player (or learn from them) fits and basically come at you with the best fits (to counter or mimic). Also that "Hey there's a tackler , kill it!!". One thing I would like to know is that if the sleepers will warp away?

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:02:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
I want WAR!!

PvE goes PvP! Sleeper emerging like shadows and busting balls in all areas (high-sec also), we have a enemy!


ccp have a new race to drive into eve events to this can only be a good thing id like to see pirate factions having plexes spawn in wspace perhaps they can send in operations and the player can destroy ( add some variance along with the sleepers) along with al lthe other bits.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:18:00 - [70]
 

Ralitge boyter said “Why would the four ancient races have evolved into the Einheduani?”
That idea comes from one of my old posts at http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#15 which shows the reasons. But it is a lot of speculation.



Ralitge boyter said “Sleepers for what ever reason didn’t need gates (maybe this is because of their cryotechnology skills that they are able to survive the long time required to travel between the systems without going insane or dying of boredom.”
The Enheduanni use teleportation over gates and they use Sleeper agents which leads some to believe among other things that the Sleepers are a part of the Enheduanni. This explains why the Sleepers don’t need gates.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:29:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Freyya on 30/01/2009 11:30:45
Heyya Potsey, was wondering when you'd pop in ^^

I am not putting aside the fact that the Sleepers might be agents of chaos working for the Enheduanni. Much like the Shadows in Babylon 5 had the Drakh as "slaves" or associates if you will.
it's a PITA that so little is yet known although i found the information you mailed me over a year ago was pretty vast. Eventhough it's still alot of guessing there's some solid information and thoughts here..
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things will go from here and what information will be released through dev blogs and what information we'll have to find out for ourselves by exploring 3rd space.

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:38:00 - [72]
 

pottesy by the sounds of it ccp have taken youre research and used it, sleepers can use wormholes to get in and out of kspace... ok simple enough can they continue to reenter jove space, do jove have access to wormholes, do the jove continue to fight skirmishes with the ancient foe, where 4 original united empires loosley based on todays empires united against a meddling jove ? is history set to repeat itself except this time round the jove 3rd empire is co operating to a degree with the new races or keeping them seperate to prevent a repeat, they dont try and take over the amarr-min,gal-calderi states now. what has changed , the wormholes might represent the elundiah agianst the new races.

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.01.30 13:32:00 - [73]
 

It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2009.01.30 13:42:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Shirley Serious on 30/01/2009 13:42:46
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers


Cryogenic suspension?

People like to ignore the obvious. Because the obvious is what the secret conspiracy of shapeshifting lizard freemason investment bankers who flouridate water for the CIA want you to believe.

Take a look in the Out of Pod Experience forum for this sort of thing.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.01.30 13:53:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers

Curious. I thought I had posted something along those lines.Razz

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:00:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers

they'll all look like a young keifer sutherland?

i still hold out hope that CCP will oneday do a tyranids ripoff with hostile npc biological 'ships' that explode into meaty chunks. possibly around the time they introduce something to do with all this DNA i've got from running missions when i can't afford biscuits for the crew anymore.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:20:00 - [77]
 

Perhaps the Sleepers are even more advanced then Pod Controlled Ships.
Instead of Pods the Sleepers control their Ships from a hidden place where their cryogenically conserved bodies are safe, while their mind remote controls Killer Ships. Twisted Evil

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:22:00 - [78]
 

maybe they pilot their battleships in their jim jams.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:50:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 30/01/2009 14:57:04
Pattern Clarc said “It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers”
If you mean due to Cryogenic suspension that makes zero sense. There is no way they can be called sleepers due drifting is space in Cryogenic suspension. That’s a massive plot hole if that’s the case not to mention the other problems. Unless the other CSM guy was wrong and these are not the same sleepers as the others.



ollobrains2 said “pottesy by the sounds of it ccp have taken youre research and used it,”
Not just my research, there was a chat recently that a lot of ideas and concerns about the story by players on the Jove channel are making it into story. This dev blog makes us believe this even more as a lot of the dev blog is just like what we have been talking about on the Jove channel for months. Just waiting for the Eve gate bit next and then I will be convinced CCP have taken our research.

Perhaps it’s just fluke and we players are guessing right and coming up with the correct theory’s, but it is starting to feel more and more like the Jove channel is monitored and ideas are being put in game based on what the players are talking about. Which isn’t a bad thing I guess. Then again we could well be wrong and it’s all just one big fluke. A number of people have came up to me now and said similar things to what you just said.


Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.30 15:06:00 - [80]
 

Where have all these races suddenly come from? I noticed someone post four of them previously in the thread. I haven't done the COSMOS missions which might explain why I haven't heard of them. But I thought EVE only had the four races and the Jove? where did the Einheduani? Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung come from?

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2009.01.30 15:11:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Pattern Clarc said “It's interesting how everyone has ignored the obvious in regards to why they might be called Sleepers”
If you mean due to Cryogenic suspension that makes zero sense. There is no way they can be called sleepers due drifting is space in Cryogenic suspension. That’s a massive plot hole if that’s the case not to mention the other problems.



"The Sleepers were masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology." from sleeper tech skillbook.

Use of cryogenics makes a great deal more sense than enheduanni super secret agents.

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Where have all these races suddenly come from? I noticed someone post four of them previously in the thread. I haven't done the COSMOS missions which might explain why I haven't heard of them. But I thought EVE only had the four races and the Jove? where did the Einheduani? Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung come from?


Enheduanni are a plot device in one of the Eve chronicles. The other races all died out from known space long long ago, leaving the 4 playable races and the Jove as the only active civilisations.

Seems like some of the "Sleepers" might have made it somewhere else.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2009.01.30 15:23:00 - [82]
 

Irida Mershkov said “But I thought EVE only had the four races and the Jove? where did the Einheduani? Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung come from?”
Eve has always had lots of races far more then 10+ at the last count depending how you define race. The Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung are mostly known in the archaeology circles of Eve as there are lots of ruins, artefacts and skill books about them and have been around for years.




Shirley Serious said “Use of cryogenics makes a great deal more sense than enheduanni super secret agents.”
I don’t see how. Enheduanni super secret agents makes little sense how it is and I fully admit most of its just farfetched speculation by me. But being called Sleepers due to Cryogenic suspension in ships travailing to other systems makes far, far less sense then Enheduanni agents.




Shirley Serious said “The other races all died out from known space long long ago, leaving the 4 playable races and the Jove as the only active civilisations.”
Debatable but this isn’t the place to talk about that.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.30 15:48:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Irida Mershkov said “But I thought EVE only had the four races and the Jove? where did the Einheduani? Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung come from?”
Eve has always had lots of races far more then 10+ at the last count depending how you define race. The Talocan, Sleepers, Takhmal and Yan Yung are mostly known in the archaeology circles of Eve as there are lots of ruins, artefacts and skill books about them and have been around for years.


Is there anywhere I could find some info about these so that I could read about them? Are they in the chronicles? I haven't read all of them yet.

Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
Posted - 2009.01.30 15:56:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

I don’t see how. Enheduanni super secret agents makes little sense how it is and I fully admit most of its just farfetched speculation by me. But being called Sleepers due to Cryogenic suspension in ships travailing to other systems makes far, far less sense then Enheduanni agents.


Here's a thing:
http://www.hb3.info/cosmos/minmatar/akraun_maertigor.html
Undoubtedly, more such things exist.
Called "Sleepers" because they all pretty much went to 'sleep' in their stasis chambers. That's not their real name. Just like how in archaeology, some cultures are called things like "black jug people", because the artifacts associated with them are black jugs. Not because that's the culture's name.
So the civilisation is called "Sleepers" because that's all that's really known about them. That they 'slept' in stasis chambers and such.

Cryogenic sleeper ships were what used to be used to construct stargates with. It's not a novel concept. If the "Sleeper" civilisation left the Ani constellation, it's perfectly possible.


Quote:
Debatable but this isn’t the place to talk about that


I said known space. Those civilisations no longer exist in any meaningful way within the space that players can interact with. No agents, no stations, no npcs, just ruins and a scattering of artifacts.

Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
Posted - 2009.01.30 17:10:00 - [85]
 

i dnt care what they are called.. i just wants to get scared again when entering belts or whatever.. heck i even want to loose ships again to NPC`S

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2009.01.30 17:24:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 30/01/2009 17:23:58
Shirley Serious said "Sleepers" because they all pretty much went to 'sleep' in their stasis chambers"
Yes they went to sleep in chambers to enter virtual worlds and be completely immersed. There is no reference to travailing like this. If they did travel like this the biggest potential problem with sleepers in stasis is they would have all arrived at their own systems 100 and some 1000's of years apart and been isolated. Effectively each sleeper solo system would become its own isolated empire advance in technology independently from all the other Sleeper systems and making new ships with new tech without knowing what the other system is doing. I say this as the devs said no gates are built in wormhole space and wormhole space are sleeper sectors. If they can jump between sectors without the need for gates then they don't need stasis chambers surly? If they did need stasis chambers why have they not built star gates in the wormhole sectors.

My problem is what link is there between the new NPCS and the old sleepers. How do we see these unknown ships with advance tech and come to the conclusion they are the old sleepers?

The way I see it is if they need stasis chambers to travel between systems and don't have gates every system should be drastically different and each system should effusively be its own race that's different.



Shirley Serious said "I said known space."
I know and I said its debatable, but this isn't the thread to talk about that. Lets try and stay on topic.



Irida Mershkov said "Is there anywhere I could find some info about these so that I could read about them? Are they in the chronicles? I haven't read all of them yet."
Send me a Eve mail with your email and I will give you my documents full of game lore.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.01.30 17:43:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 30/01/2009 17:23:58
Shirley Serious said "Sleepers" because they all pretty much went to 'sleep' in their stasis chambers"
Yes they went to sleep in chambers to enter virtual worlds and be completely immersed. There is no reference to travailing like this.

Maybe we aren't real?
Maybe we are just part of their virtual universe?

*~shudders~*

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.01.30 17:56:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Avon
Damn. My money was on Thargoids.


Aww, you beat me to it

by 2 pages Sad

Faxtarious
Minmatar
Kai-Zen Security
Posted - 2009.01.30 18:43:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Freyya
Edited by: Freyya on 29/01/2009 19:00:00
I'm going to read it as a boost to lowsec a bit but keeping the rewards in line with the respective security rating, somewhat at least..
It is also awesome that the new Sleepers will be able to employ tactics not uncommon in PvP although i wonder what kind of balance is built in to not make them overpowered
or facilitate the need to go blob NPC's... As said before this will probably be explained a bit in future devblogs.

Anyways, to keep my topic somewhat on topic;

I am going to have to correct my previous statement that they are calculated to have T10 technology. According to lore they had somewhat better than T2 and more advanced in special areas around a thousand years ago. I'm going to assume it was at least above T3 in the more advanced areas. Given the fact that they've had a thousand years to evolve and upgrade their tech i do think it's a safe bet that they could be well above tech 10 if we keep the current growth of our tech over the last years.

Revisiting on my OP i am now wondering why only the Sleepers are coming to the playground and where the other ancient races stand. My intrigues towards the Enheduanni are growing largely as well since i too was starting to assume the 4 ancient races evolved into them.

Also: CCP stole my thunder Shocked

Freyya on 21/01/2008
“Alright, on to business. We’ve received numerous warnings from Spectre about a system several light years away. Apparently it was flooded with electrical signatures for a minute or two. After thorough analysis of these signatures we believe them to be cyno fields, but we are unable to detect if they are regular or covert cyno’s. To be honest they don’t resemble either databased sig but they show only minor fluctuations in the generated signal.”

Freyya on 24/01/2008
"They're awakening you know, getting ready to reclaim their place in this world again."

Freyya on 24/01/2008
They are awakening, the fears and horrors of mankind.
Pain and suffering is what they bring, for they are hard to find.
Dark and sinister they seem to be, but those do not describe them well.
The death they bring is slow, and trapped you will become to dwell.
Lingering in the shadow is what they do, until the time is right it seems.
A pain to be so great, will mark the return of darkened screams."

As written in my Fanfic story just shy over a year ago ^^
Cyno field with a different signature than regular or covert cyno was going to become the wormhole after the discovery of their existance
For they are hard to find = Wormholes and exploration,
And trapped you will become to dwell = Wormholes closing, you getting destroyed in W-space leaving you trapped. Although i have to admit this wasn't exactly meant in this way ^^

I demand a place in the fiction team! Laughing God i wish i had posted the remaining chapters sitting on my HD before all this Embarassed



CCP GIVE THIS MAN A JOB !!!

What I've always loved about EvE lore is that it’s so close to home. It could be a Hollywood block buster in its genre (space / sci-fi /futuristic / politics /drama)
But my friend, after reading your writings, and how you interpret the lore, you bring that chill up my spine and that mystery that has been lacking in the past.


Trader20
Posted - 2009.01.30 18:58:00 - [90]
 

I heard the new npc's all have falcon altsShocked.


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