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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Department of Redundancy Dpt.
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:02:00 - [1]
 

Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?

David Kang
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: David Kang on 25/01/2009 19:08:00
Already thought of something this were I live.

I was going to set-up a solar array an offer to charge battery's, I was then going to offer a free battery and then offer a service (cheap service) of then refilling that batter.

I am also looking at other renewable ways to make energy.

But this means I need more room then my little back yard.




Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:07:00 - [3]
 

I can see a lot of thought has went into this.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:12:00 - [4]
 


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:21:00 - [5]
 

Do you have any idea just how much it costs to build a wind farm ?
I should know, I am but one of several people involved in the building of a small-towards-average-sized windfarm (I'm handling a few parts of the power substations design, switchgear and automation plans) and even like that it feels like "robbing them blind" (negligible workload IMO, plenty of cash to show for though), and the budget for this particular stage/phase of the project (that of the company I'm contracting with for the plans) is barely a percent of the total budget, the huge bulk of the total budget being the actual hardware.
IF they would sell the entire rated power at the current "going rate" of the energy market, it will take about half a century until it pays off. Lucky for them, there are some incentive programs that state "green energy" is subsidized from the state budget, getting paid up to roughly 3 times more than "regular energy", so they might actually see a profit in the next 15-20 years or so (if the incentives remain or if the energy prices spike even if the incentives go away).

Azra'el Khan
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:33:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Epegi Givo
Hasn't anybody read their history books?


Our governments haven't (US and UK). Rather than considering this, albeit costly, alternative they're actually talking about printing more money - I guess they don't remember the Germans doing that in the late thirties. It only had the minor side effect of completely collapsing thier economy.

Scytharin
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:56:00 - [7]
 

We should build a Pyramid. It would create thousands of jobs, and after they're done we can take all the leaders of the banks stick them inside and seal it.

You can cover it in solar panels afterwards as well if you like.

Creates Jobs, Saves the economy, Increases Tourism, and saves the ice caps and all those lovely fluffy polar bears.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:05:00 - [8]
 

Seriously, the only real way of dealing with the mess is to default that debt which cannot be repaid, continue to repay that debt which can be repaid, fire the incompetent and enforce existing laws to bring fraudsters to justice.

Then we will have a true picture of what we can and can't afford.

Pipe dreams in the sky - the money to make them real does not exist.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:09:00 - [9]
 

Forbid fractional reserve banking (or at least significantly increase the required reserve) and all is good.
Hell, go back to the gold standard and it would be even better.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:16:00 - [10]
 

Actually ... the alternative energy projects are exactly what Obama is planning on doing, that and fixing some infrastructure.

As to how well all that will work out we'll have to see ...

In short - what is going to happen ... is that we'll go through whatever kind of recession this is going to be ... hopefully not an actual depression ... and then we'll come out on the other side. If you read your history - that is what it will tell you ... and ... nothing more.


EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:26:00 - [11]
 

Probably if everybody will build enough of their solar batteries, wind generators to be self-sufficient in terms of energy, the energy companies will go broke because they won't be able to sell anything.

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:32:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Sy
I think this pretty much sums it up.
Lewis Black is great. And that video spawned the best youtube comment ever: "No wonder the Egyptians were so successful! People still travel from all over the world to see their "big ****in' things"."

A nice way to fix the unemployment rate is to outlaw outsourcing. But the lobbyists wouldn't ever let this happen...

ceaon
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?

but but wait wee the rich ppl dont get any benefits from this

/me start to make lobby against this idea

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2009.01.25 21:44:00 - [14]
 

easyest way to fix the economy (hell and every other problems humans have)....kill everyone

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.01.25 21:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Arvald
easyest way to fix the economy (hell and every other problems humans have)....kill everyone


This. However the only problem this causes is that we wont live to see what we fixxed.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.01.25 21:56:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Scytharin
We should build a Pyramid. It would create thousands of jobs, and after they're done we can take all the leaders of the banks stick them inside and seal it.

You can cover it in solar panels afterwards as well if you like.

Creates Jobs, Saves the economy, Increases Tourism, and saves the ice caps and all those lovely fluffy polar bears.



i lol'ed

Dau Imperius
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.25 21:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Arvald
easyest way to fix the economy (hell and every other problems humans have)....kill everyone


Bring on Fallout 4. ugh

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.01.25 22:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?

but but wait wee the rich ppl dont get any benefits from this

/me start to make lobby against this idea


Umm, getting those generators at a fraction of the real cost, at taxpayer expense, is not a big ****ing benefit?

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2009.01.25 22:50:00 - [19]
 

Easiest way to get everybody into jobs:

Have half the populace dig holes and the other half fill them....\o/

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2009.01.25 23:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: goodby4u
Easiest way to get everybody into jobs:

Have half the populace dig holes and the other half fill them....\o/

Yeah, Keynes was great on jobs, not so great on wealth creation. His recipe for recovery was basically just paying with counterfeit money for people to burn calories. It would be more thermodynamically efficient to just line up tents and serve soup three times a day without the digging ritual, but then people might have time to think about their predicament. His prescription would only work if the government had earned savings with which to finance job creation schemes. Otherwise it is just a resource sink dilutive of everyone else's rewards for attempting to do something productive.

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.25 23:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: goodby4u
Easiest way to get everybody into jobs:

Have half the populace dig holes and the other half fill them....\o/


the 2nd half should start filling them with the 1st still digging? Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

ceaon
Posted - 2009.01.25 23:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?

but but wait wee the rich ppl dont get any benefits from this

/me start to make lobby against this idea


Umm, getting those generators at a fraction of the real cost, at taxpayer expense, is not a big ****ing benefit?

is not good because wind is free
is ok only if state buy the wind from US the rich ppl
/sarcasm off

TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.26 00:03:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?


wtf that Barack Obama's $825 billion economic stimulus package however I would just rather reactivate the PWA and WPA.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2009.01.26 00:29:00 - [24]
 

Interesting to note the PWA, WPA, CCC and their kind were made superfluous by the second world war. Destruction of capital + labour shortage = employment win. The TVA on the other hand was something quite inspiring all by itself.

Also interesting to note the AAA and NRA, which were psychotic Stalinist bureaucracies. Thankfully legislators had the good sense to disband them early, before they did too much damage.

Second time around, I would not be surprised to see a similar mix of accomplishment, inefficiency and tyranny.

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2009.01.26 01:29:00 - [25]
 

Boost the police force in order to deport illegal aliens that are sucking up all the jobs. Done.

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.01.26 04:13:00 - [26]
 


Agorism.

The current bailouts are making the economy worse by decreasing people's spending power by some combination of (a) printing more money, thus diluting what money people already have, (b) spending taxpayer's money, leaving less for them to spend on what they want, or (c) borrowing, leaving less for future taxpayers to spend on what they want.

Further, the bailouts are rewarding those who took foolish risks. Those risk-takers first profited when the stock market rewarded their "growth," while more prudent corporations were left behind. Now, money is being poured into the coffers of the risk-takers, while more prudent corporations suffer the consequences along with everyone else. The risk-takers should be allowed experience the negative consequences of their risks, not just the positive (e.g. bankruptcy).

Further still, the stimulus efforts are spending money inefficiently by (a) bureaucratic waste, and (b) prioritizing projects that are not a priority for most people. (If wind power was a higher priority than cheap energy to most people, they would have paid more for it already.)

The problem was caused by government-protected corporations and is being made worse by classic forced redistribution of wealth. So, in classic character, we'll create more protections for corporations and give the government more power to redistribute wealth.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.01.26 04:42:00 - [27]
 

Hmmm, Have the government loan money directly out to people/businesses with nothing to pay back the original amount and inflation interest?

Tef42
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2009.01.26 05:34:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Krennel Darius
Boost the police force in order to deport illegal aliens that are sucking up all the jobs. Done.


Wondering if this is sarcasm or not. But I'll bite anyway.

You or any other "legal" citizen wanna pick strawberries for $2 an hour? How about if they pay more and give you benefits, you wanna pay 5x more for your produce?

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.01.26 05:54:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?



Sorry to sound like a stuck record but i'm starting to feel like i'm banging my head against the wall at the moment, when will people get it through their heads that an economy that is dependent on a money exchange system can never be repaired, you may be able to eliminate the corrupt form of money driven economy i.e. "interest" but the foundation is still corrupt, it still rewards people for being over competitive, greedy and wasteful, this can not be allowed to go on much longer, our rescources are being stretched to the limit and it will either, a) cause a massive environmental disaster or b) force us into world war 3 as we all fight over the remaining rescources. Believe it or not their is more than enough rescource to go around if we did things properly and scrap this barbaric money/price/profit system.

So the answer to your question in short is "there is no way to fix the economy while it is money based".


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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Posted - 2009.01.26 08:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Epegi Givo
Public Work Projects.

Start building Solar/wind power generators everywhere, and then sell the generators to the electric companies for very cheap.

lots of jobs, and more renewable energy, win-win.

Hasn't anybody read their history books?


Question: Where are you going to get the money to build these solar/wind power generators? You're looking at close to $15,000 per completed unit unless you plan on just selling the solar panels themselves. Wind farms need more than just a turbine to harvest electricity alone.

Question: Why would the electric companies buy these things since the cost to make, the power output, and the returns won't pay themselves off for decades? Many already do supplement their grids with alternate power sources (and get nice government subsidies for doing so) but those sources aren't enough.

Question: Since solar and wind units are not consumable per se and are only a niche market, how do you maintain job growth or even stability? How do you prevent much of these jobs from being replaced by robotic automation (biggest killer of car manufacturing jobs)?


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