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Lasar Bonghits
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:15:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 18:33:33
First off, this is my main and I was in for this one. I do not usually post on public forums including the several years I have played eve. Second off, you may perceive me as being emo and classless and that is fine. People find it hard to believe but I am a very calm person.

Here is the problem for anyone wo missed it.

CCP Claw has decided to have 1 match going and another match waiting to start in another arena to speed up things. They use local to tell people when matches are going to stop. However, they do not let anyone know this and the 2nd match never saw the first matches count down timer to start. So when we are told to warp in and watch local and see a count timer being called, we all figured it was for us. Having no idea that the first match is not over.

Now, you may ask why other teams have not had this problem. Well the reason is, after looking into it, prior to our match it only happenend once and it had the same effect. See, due to this years no remote rep rule, awesome by the way, matches end before a timer can end them because one team is sitting by their wrecks. So the other match that lasted the whole 15 minutes, Otherworld Empire Production vs Uskra'Khan, had a count down timer that the next match Manifest Destiny Vs Fifth Freedom saw and Manifest Destiny got some ships taken out of the match for it.

The next time it happenend match 1 of day 2, our team in the next match did the same thing and insta popped some ships and after 1 blackbird moved slightly over 10 minutes later, having been in the arena for well over 15 minutes and we were DQ.

On to why I have a problem. One, the GM who kind of screwed things up, or part of, said tough luck and got to keep a schedule. Meaning to bad but we got btter things to do than to sort this out.

And second, CCP Claw will not even admit there was a problem with this, even though said changes will be made. 2 out of the 2 times that this could have happenend it did. There isnt one rule anywhere explaining two matches at once. And admitting that its a really bad setup and fault on the person running it might mean having to fix it for the two teams that got screwed over. I can assume a handful of people really are not worth the effort.

The person running the event should not officiate it. It leads to cutting corners to make the event run smoothly.

The more I walk away and think about the more I see how messed up it is, so we end up getting screwed and then flamed because we can only go to the forums. I dont blame the forum trolls attacking us, its in your genenetics to troll. But please remember some of us put alot of time into this and I pretty much had to move heaven and half of the earth to make it this morning.


Original Post

Dont change the title of your post

And don't thank CCP Claw. He or she did not even admit there was a problem. he or she says there is no problem but going to fix one anyways. So please, there is nothing you can do yourself but at least do not thank someone for screwing the the tournament. I repeat, do not thank someone for screwing up the tournament.

The fact is, only a few matches have last long enough, where one team wasnt completley destroyd, for the countdown to be able to mess up the next match. And out of those few matches, several have gone wrong to this issue. Its an unacceptable high percentage of matches. It was a problem that still doesnt exsist but will be fixed anyways.

I am ot saying we can do anything about it but please do no thank him or her. Thank him or her when she or he fixes the mistake, which may be hard or at the very least if it satisfies you, for them to admit there was a problem to begin with.






Lady Karma
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:16:00 - [2]
 

Calm down

Young Steptoe
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:21:00 - [3]
 

step away from the pipe.

Master Technique
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:21:00 - [4]
 

They tell you over and over and over....oh and over also, "do this when we tell you, dont do this, dont do this, and dont do this". I felt like a 7 year old. I cannot believe after having our match, how many other people are screwing this up.

Also, absolutely regardless of whether you think there is a problem or not, stop responding like said 7 year old. There are so many people that just come on here ****ing whine, like the GM's and other personnel are ******ed. It takes a lot of work to organize this kind of thing, they are doing a great job, I am just happy for the opportunity.

Despite your lack of class and appropriateness, they still altered the system for you people, so please just quit embarrassing yourself with posts like this.

Darkopteron
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:28:00 - [5]
 

Laser is a big emo and does need to 'calm down', but please bare in mind that this is his endgame, he's spent months preparing and lots of his own isk in readiness for this. And then due to a silly mistake, which could've been easily corrected by CCP, and being told to forfeit the match... a big kick in the nuts ... I can see why he's so upset.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:30:00 - [6]
 

calm down

JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:36:00 - [7]
 

his just mighty upste and venting.... but taking to the other side of letting this go, is often when things don't change.

and yes, while we understand they take a lot of time to sort this out... it takes a lot to organise a team to take part in CCP's events. While events are clearly lacking compared to other MMO's, this is part of us continuing playing this game.... If CCP didn't have these event's i lot of people that enjoy this type of interaction would probably move to a more event based MMO.

If it was made clear that a match was ongoing and a the first countdown you see in local would be the match ending, then we would have understood what was going on. A little clearer, would have helped in the first place. A 7 year old would probably also not accept his mistakes.

Belliana
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:36:00 - [8]
 

I missed it. Please someone explain in full detail what happened? I think everyone should be given the chance to understand why Lasar is so upset.

Bloodlet Eyes
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lasar Bonghits
Dont change the title of your post

And don't thank CCP Claw. He or she did not even admit there was a problem. he or she says there is no problem but going to fix one anyways. So please, there is nothing you can do yourself but at least do not thank someone for screwing the the tournament. I repeat, do not thank someone for screwing up the tournament.

The fact is, only a few matches have last long enough, where one team wasnt completley destroyd, for the countdown to be able to mess up the next match. And out of those few matches, several have gone wrong to this issue. Its an unacceptable high percentage of matches. It was a problem that still doesnt exsist but will be fixed anyways.

I am ot saying we can do anything about it but please do no thank him or her. Thank him or her when she or he fixes the mistake, which may be hard or at the very least if it satisfies you, for them to admit there was a problem to begin with.



Step out from behind your veil and post with your main!


JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Bloodlet Eyes


Step out from behind your veil and post with your main!




that is his main... infact i am shocked he's using it, cause i never see him posting on any forums! This is my main too btw

We would have very much enjoyed fighting 10th legion. It would have been a good fight.

Bloodlet Eyes
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:03:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: JS LiamElms
Originally by: Bloodlet Eyes


Step out from behind your veil and post with your main!




that is his main... infact i am shocked he's using it, cause i never see him posting on any forums! This is my main too btw

We would have very much enjoyed fighting 10th legion. It would have been a good fight.


OK, post with your Corporation & Alliance identifiers turned on lol :P


James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:07:00 - [12]
 

I can appreciate that it hurts to admit that one made a mistake, and even more so that one might have been stupid.

However, this failing is not on the part of the people who are running the tournament.

Rens Proposition
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:09:00 - [13]
 

in all fairness, the matches have scheduled start times, and the muck up in question here, was quite a few minutes before the scheduled start of your match. seeing as how no match had started early, it was quite a poor performance on your teams side to muck that up that badly.

to the previous team that started early, the previous match ran to the wire, at which point, the count down for the end of the match was somewhere around 1 minute left to the start of the next match, so fair play for messing that up. but yours... quite fail.

sorry, but it's the truth.

-RP

Vasponger
legio immortalorum
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:12:00 - [14]
 

lol tears

Krystal Demishy
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:25:00 - [15]
 

The OP is right.
Too many mistakes becouse of stuff incompetence.

Silvia Saiint
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:32:00 - [16]
 

I'm forced to agree with the OP on this

Lasar Bonghits
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:37:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Rens Proposition
in all fairness, the matches have scheduled start times, and the muck up in question here, was quite a few minutes before the scheduled start of your match. seeing as how no match had started early, it was quite a poor performance on your teams side to muck that up that badly.

to the previous team that started early, the previous match ran to the wire, at which point, the count down for the end of the match was somewhere around 1 minute left to the start of the next match, so fair play for messing that up. but yours... quite fail.

sorry, but it's the truth.

-RP


You never run anything by the clock in the eve client. It does not sync. If you ever ran multiple clients you would see that they often do not even sync. And we are talking about a matter of minutes and were just doing our very best to do whatever we were told to do by the GM in our flee and CCP claw in local.

Rhaven
Quiet.Storm
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:07:00 - [18]
 

funny that they say GO not just the count down .... no "go" in local means not to start till go is called easy enough...

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:12:00 - [19]
 

See, the whole thing about this is, 95% of people can understand it. So it is not a problem of the tournament, but a problem of lack of brains and reading comprehension.

How is it CCP Claw's fault that you are not smart?

Jedziah
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Rhaven
funny that they say GO not just the count down .... no "go" in local means not to start till go is called easy enough...


This.

A GM told us that we are to begin fighting once 'GO' is called. Show some damn respect for the amount of work Claw has put into this tournament.

It has been sterling so far.

Lasar Bonghits
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
See, the whole thing about this is, 95% of people can understand it. So it is not a problem of the tournament, but a problem of lack of brains and reading comprehension.

How is it CCP Claw's fault that you are not smart?


Because it is a very very poor tournament setup. CCP Claw's setup. Having two matches in 2 arenas and giving commands to them in local without telling who you are talking to and very poor commands in fleet from a different GM. And the fact that both times there were countdowns to end the match, teams started the match. So either the 5 percent who didnt get it happenend to be in both those matches or the setup is extremely screwed.

CCP Claw had a bad and very confusing setup and he decided it was easier to just to DQ POS rather than to fix it.

Even he knows it was extremely confusing and changed it. But will not admit it was a bad setup even though it had a 100 percent fail rate.

Lasar Bonghits
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:23:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jedziah
Originally by: Rhaven
funny that they say GO not just the count down .... no "go" in local means not to start till go is called easy enough...


This.

A GM told us that we are to begin fighting once 'GO' is called. Show some damn respect for the amount of work Claw has put into this tournament.

It has been sterling so far.


At no time did the GM say wait for "GO" to be called in our fleet. We were told to just watch local and be ready. Thy might have improved this or you just had a better GM than ours but those were not the instructions given to us. CCP Claw is running this and officiating this and just to speed things up, POS got a DQ.

JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
See, the whole thing about this is, 95% of people can understand it. So it is not a problem of the tournament, but a problem of lack of brains and reading comprehension.

How is it CCP Claw's fault that you are not smart?


i think they say.... 'your a goon, enough said'

anyway... thanks for expressing your english is well enough to be super cool at this. You been the FC of the Goon team ofc!? However, i do appreciate your troll. It shows great depth of knowledge you have.

We did not see the countdown fro the match that was on before to start, so we had no knowledge of the present match being played, or that there countdown to end would be in local as we was not aware it was ongoing. that we was placed in the arena and told to watch local for a countdown, then saw a countdown. I'd say we followed the rules and instructtions clearly given to us. that you are unable to understand these procceses that we have clearly explained time and time again says alot for your troll.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:30:00 - [24]
 

I mean, except of course not seeing the word "STOP" and I believe it was still what, seven minutes before your match time?

Lasar Bonghits
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:40:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Lasar Bonghits on 25/01/2009 19:40:49
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I mean, except of course not seeing the word "STOP" and I believe it was still what, seven minutes before your match time?


7 minutes is a number verone made up from somewhere. I had it at 15 00 30 or something. So less than 5 minutes. Ill go with 4 since we can just make up stuff. No where in the rules does it say we are basing these matches from the eve client clock that doesnt sync. We were given bad commands and a poor tournament mechanics from CCP Claw.

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:42:00 - [26]
 

Do what your ****ing told and shut up. Laughing

Evil Edna
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:51:00 - [27]
 

clam dong

the tourney has always had one fight running and another preping with communication in local, or always did in the ones i was in


yarrmarr
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:00:00 - [28]
 

maybe post the chat log so 'we' can see whether it's confusing to us.

I recall a similar incident in a previous tournament with misunderstood commands in local

Prisma Prime
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:04:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Prisma Prime on 25/01/2009 20:06:13
Edited by: Prisma Prime on 25/01/2009 20:05:40
Originally by: Evil Edna
clam dong

the tourney has always had one fight running and another preping with communication in local, or always did in the ones i was in




oh sorry i forgot you have to first learn how everything is going to happen at the spot and then wait a year to try again...

(note the sarcasm)

added to that, what if someone does a false start while the other fight is still going..; and a gm says stop in local... both fights should instantly end there then too?

people who don't see how this was a bad communication issue then i realy hope some friendly ships start shooting you in fleet once and see how long you need to understand WTF is going on ;)

**HINT** watch local ?

Calexis Atredies
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:08:00 - [30]
 

You can troll Lasar's post as much as you want, the fact is the coundown system has changed for futrue matches. For those who are posting without reading the other information available on the forums you can interpret this as there being room for error with CCP's previous countdown system. It's not every day that CCP admits their system is flawed, but hey if youre just here to make yourself feel important keep trolling.


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