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Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2004.07.30 06:22:00 - [1]
 

As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.
My own personel opinion is that linking games to real life violence is ridiculous and anyone that does copy violence from a game must be mentally ill in the first place.
What is worse? fictional violence or real life violence i.e. iraq war? where women and children are being murdered for oil and is shown on the television at peak time.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.07.30 06:30:00 - [2]
 

There have been scientific studies which have shown that young children will duplicate scenes they have seen in videos/video games but, as you said, this guy is 17 yrs old.

I've always believed video games mirror life, not the other way around.

That kid was a "wrong 'un" and to blame Manhunt just detracts from the real problems in society.

Games are an easy option.

Kyle Kador
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.07.30 06:53:00 - [3]
 

As josh said , but just wait for doom 3 the papers will love that i HATE the press especially in the uk Evil or Very Mad

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.07.30 07:05:00 - [4]
 

Its a load of crap.

If anyone is influenced by what they see in a game or a film to commit an act such as this, then they were prolly already deranged in the head and were going to do something anyway, sooner or later. Blaming a videogame is ridiculous.

I spent all my childhood playing violent games, watching violent films, and Ive trained kung fu for 22 years. According to the Daily Mail, with those criteria I should have gone on 34 killing sprees by now.

Murders and ****s etc, will happen in a large, apathetic, increasingly more intolerant and aggressive society. Murders like this are societies responsibility, not a game, a film or an album. You cannot be influenced to commit a violent act by playing a videogame if you are of sound mind, its not possible.

The kid was gonna pop sooner or later, whether he'd seen the game or not. Society failed, not the videogame producer.

Crucius Sanctus
Posted - 2004.07.30 07:12:00 - [5]
 

If a 17 year old is disturbed enough to imitate a videogame and murder his best friend, the problem is with the deep mental problems the teenager already possesses, not the videogame. It's true, the game maybe gave him an idea, but it was his own demented mind that allowed him to do it.

This has gone on for years. Everytime someone does something horrible for no apparent reason, people scramble to explain it. Today it's Manhunt, yesterday it was GTA, before that Mortal Kombat, before that Doom, before that Dungeons and Dragons, before that Communism. So what if these things really did give them ideas? It's the person who fires the gun, not the gun, who is guilty of murder.

Trigo
Caldari
Ordo Dark Star
Posted - 2004.07.30 07:49:00 - [6]
 

well i think blaming game is wrong as its a 18 rated game and he is only 17, so its more his parnets(sp?) to be blamed or the shop that sold him that game.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.07.30 13:24:00 - [7]
 

Crap like this shows just how backward joe public are.They are afraid of technology because they can't control it, so they just blame it for their own problems.Mad

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2004.07.30 13:29:00 - [8]
 

I'd have to object on this being his best friend, known associate perhaps.

Kreeper
Empirical Drug Consortium Inc.
Combined Planetary Union
Posted - 2004.07.30 19:15:00 - [9]
 

TBH i take Eve personally. i get ****d when i lost my ship or lose implanst but i will be damnd i find the person in Rl and do something.FFS this a game.

Still im in shock this has happened to the video game industry. I have playd Manhunt, yes it is really violent but still a kick ass game. But i would never kill anyone or kill anyone over a damn game.

YARRRR!!YAR!

Vegeta
Minmatar
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2004.07.30 19:55:00 - [10]
 

What are you talking about?

Us in m0o cant wait for the Fan Fest, ganking will continue only now in real life. Just you wait.

Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.07.30 20:29:00 - [11]
 

Yeah.. just like columbine was rammstiens fault.

Just like every violent act is blammed on something that can't defend itself.

People expect some justification for the ****ed up **** that happens.

I've played violent videogames, read violent books/comics, watched violent tv shows etc etc since I was in diapers.

"I saw it on tv" or "I saw it in a movie" yeah.. I saw a terrorist blow up innocent people on tv.

So now it's ok if I go do it, because I can blame it on CNN! WOO! yay for entertainment!

You can make any arguement for or against violence in entertainment. But the bottom line is that it's society's fault as a whole.

I bet no one bothered to ask that kid how he was doing. I bet no one even gave a **** when he showed signs of violence before hand. THey just ignored it and went about their day. "Not my problem" they say to themselves. or "it's just a phase" "boys will be boys" etc etc.

Yeah, it's manhunts fault this innocent, loving, caring child grabbed a hammer and smashed his friends skull in. What else could it be!? Rolling Eyes

Gundog Prime
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:10:00 - [12]
 

Someone, of any decent age, who see's an act as violent as killing someone and copies is isn't right in the head to begin with...

Then comes the blame game, everyone needs someone to blame when the **** comes down...

Now the parents of the victim can't blame the parents of the 17 year old for letting him see it 'cos even though it's mostly THEIR fault (By raising him wrong AND letting him play the game that SUPPOSEDLY led him to the act) they don't have nearly as much money as Rockstar Studio's...

So human nature demands they ignore the truth of it that their neighbours raised a Psycho and their son is dead because of it...

Very harsh, but true ugh

Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:15:00 - [13]
 

Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley


Feaux Tomai
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:33:00 - [14]
 

All I have to say is.. Meat sicle, yellow execution.

MadGaz
Temptation inc.
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:51:00 - [15]
 

I've always wanted to pod that next door neighbour....

Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:59:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Golf makes me want to harpoon goats in Dudley





lmfao.. I dunno why.. but that's funny.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2004.07.30 23:04:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.


My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.

Jade Alexander
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.07.30 23:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote:
As some of you may or may not know a 17 year old teenager killed his best friend with a claw hammer and the game manhunt has been blamed. please post your opinions on this.


My opinion is that he should have used the machete. The execution is way cooler.


Hahaha!

I most have woken up the whole neighbourhood with my laughter! Laughing

Ph0enix
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Posted - 2004.07.30 23:22:00 - [19]
 

This is a hard one. I don't think its as simple as many of you are making it out to be.

Children ARE influenced by computer games/films/tv. when i was younger i spent all my time imitating action films and pretending to kill people etc. Obviously i am of a sound state of mind and would never do this to a real person, but it only takes someone to be slightly unbalanced who could be pushed over the edge by a bully or argument with a friend to pick up a weapon and make like a killer.

Also i think blaming a computer game is different to blaming music. Music you listen to, games you play. in a computer game, it is YOU doing the violence. In Manhunt YOU decide how to kill people.

Can no-one see how a child who has been brought up playing violent video games where cutting grannies up with a chainsaw (GTA: Vice City) is a daily event and hammering some-one to death (ManHunt) is fine, could see doing so to a real person as not much different?

I don't really know if ManHunt should be banned. GTA: Vice City isn't, and its pretty similar in its violence content. And if you start banning violent games, who knows where it could stop?

Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.07.30 23:37:00 - [20]
 

It wouldn't stop. It would keep going and going and going. No more good music unless it praises god and happy happy tree huggers. No more eve, unless you fly around and shoot people with laser beams of love.

No more tv shows unless it's the smurfs.. oh wait.. even that's violent. One mans desire to perform genocide on a peaceful little village of blue creatures.

Violence has been in society since man first picked up a club. It's not gonna leave and it's present in EVERYTHING. From literature to cartoons to music to games. Even the bible is slam full of violence.

See, this is why humanity is doomed. Our inability to coexist with our fellow man. But that's another topic heh.



Anyway.. that's what I'm scared of. Where would people draw the line? For the americans here, remember the super bowl?

Need I say more?

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2004.07.31 00:20:00 - [21]
 

Well, a few years ago there was a similar case where two kids killed a third and it was all blamed on roleplaying in all newspapers, apprently they were playing pen and paper games. Later it was discovered that these kids had a serious empathy problem, they didn't have any, and their game didnt have anything to do with it. But that was never revealed in the newspapers except the local one.

Another good example is that recently there was a documentary here about if games could cause violence, and as an example they showed postal of all games. Of course people will be scared when they use those kind of games as examples, you'd have to have really bad taste to play a game like postal IMO.

I think that violent games might trigger already unstable people, but not more than a violent movie that they show at 2100 would.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2004.07.31 02:35:00 - [22]
 

The thing is - and this is doubly so in America - parents will do everything in their power to deflect blame from their thoroughly inept child-rearing, and on to some industry or music brand or other convenient socially acceptable scapegoat. Guess what, soccer mom: If your kid bashes in another kid's head with a claw hammer, it's your goddamn fault and you should *snip*

That was a bit too much - Wrangler

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2004.07.31 07:27:00 - [23]
 

thx for posts everyone.
here is another way of looking at it, if manhunt did cause this to happen then one person has died because of the game, yet alcohol causes hundreds of violent deaths in the UK every year, do i hear people calling for a ban of all alcohol?....no, are shops taking alcohol off there shelves?.... are they f**k. Also the differance between manhunt and alcohol is that alcohol as been PROVED to cause violent behavier, any one who reads this knows that alcohol can turn you into a violent person, its not debateable its a FACT.

Joe Blob
Caldari
Total Warehouse Logistics
Posted - 2004.07.31 09:43:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Joe Blob on 31/07/2004 09:44:16
Hey, I played Postal, and I only killed 6 ppl with a shovel afterwardsExclamation

I notice now that Manhunt has been pulled off the shelves by Dixons group and now Game.....

I'm off to d/l it from suprnova, and sell it to the kids at the local school

Dolemite2K
Gallente
GONE RETARD BACK LATER
Posted - 2004.07.31 09:59:00 - [25]
 

Well they whent a head and banned Manhunt in Norway now.
So i guess by the goverments logic I should bee a lot safer walking down the streets now.

Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2004.07.31 10:12:00 - [26]
 

Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.

Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people Very Happy


Jadrut
Minmatar
The KUM
Posted - 2004.07.31 10:32:00 - [27]
 

i tend to take my frustrations out on games, usually eve too, or killing lots of ****s in CoD

Dolemite2K
Gallente
GONE RETARD BACK LATER
Posted - 2004.07.31 11:19:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Banning stuff tends to hype it even more.

Lets hear some hootin' and a hollerin' for stupid people Very Happy




Just look at the sales for GTA3 after all the media fuss about it Laughing

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2004.07.31 11:24:00 - [29]
 

This is absurd. As if playing one computer game can over rule 17 years of socialisation? ugh

Clearly if someone had been brought up under conditions that promote some authentic ethics they wouldn't murder thier best friend.

It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.


Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.07.31 11:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Plim
It's just easier to blame a game than society itself.




That's the sad truth of the matter.

Donít you find it a bit odd that people want to ban a video game (which does have a rating on it in case you donít know), or band (also rated) every time a violent crime is committed by a child, yet we seem to be ok with watching dead bodies burn on the news channels? We get to watch an actual war, in real-time, but god forbid we be allowed to murder a bunch of made up people. Try taking that crap off the air and watch the "free-speech" crap pour in.

It's ok for small children to watch a deranged man attempt genocide on a race of small blue creatures, the smurfs, but it's not ok for them to act out their aggression in a virtual world?

I find it sickening that people feel the need to point their fingers and lay blame to videogames when a deranged person commits a violent act.

I think I'll go bomb a dam and flood a few cities. Hey, God did it so I learned it from him!

Or how about I go fly a plane into a building. Hey I saw it on the news!

Oh wait, I know, I think I'll pack a bomb under my t-shirt and run into a bus station! Yeah, I see that on a daily basis.

Video games do not create murderers. True, people may get ideas off of them. But hey, I can list a 1,000 novels written over the last 200 years that contain graphic details of worse crimes.

And to make it even better, I can promise you that 90% of those novels can be checked out at your local library by anyone at anytime.

Ban those while you're at it.

Or, we could go about it the right way, and monitor what our children are doing. No, bad idea. That would require parents actually being involved in their childrenís lives. That would never work!

(Note: I do not intend to do any violent acts on my fellow man. It was only an example used to illustrate a point.)

I know I'm ranting, but this **** ****es me off man. Next thing you know I wont even be able to buy a ****o because it promotes prostitution and makes kids into ****s.Rolling Eyes




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