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Clone 410
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:18:00 - [31]
 

This thread is a perfect example of how EVE is going wrong.

Players like Bosie are exactly what gives EVE the edge over all the other MMORPG's out there. It's about danger. Risk. Adrenaline.

When I started playing EVE (only a few months ago) going into low sec space was risky. I lost a few ships to player pirates in 0.1-0.4 and it was a blast. Set me back a lot a few times too, when I lost my thorax to a player rat 2 days after buying it I was crippled for a while.

But I never moaned, I never sent hate mails, what I did was I got better at playing the game and learned to defend and protect myself. I even managed a few kills on unsuspecting player rats who thought I was an easy miner kill :)

Since then CCP have made it harder and harder for pirates to operate. It's become less and less profitable for them and as far as I can tell it's effectively not a viable career choice now. Mining in the low-sec systems has become safer and safer to the point where I now mine in a 0.1 in a Dominix with no weapons on it and *never* get bothered.

And you know what? It's boring as hell. There's no rush, no fear, no adrenaline. If I didn't have a good combat alt I can pvp with I'd have moved on to another game by now.

I fervently hope that CCP read threads like this and start to realise what a pathetic bunch of people the carebears are and STOP PANDERING TO THEIR WHINGES AND CRYING. Kill piracy and you kill EVE.

I say YARRR! Go Bosie! Generate more hate mail, it's the way forward YARRRR!! !

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:20:00 - [32]
 

tottaly agree Juan.

I was long ago destroyed 2-3 times in indies, its tottaly ok , i hadnt any hatred for my enemies, could be friend with them.

Sounds like great fun Bosie.Man After Powder stories and this i begin to be attracted by the dark side...Shocked

Zell
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:21:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Riddari
I still don't understand why "dedicated" PVP people get more fun ganking targets that don't shoot back than fighting each other.

Unless said people really don't want targets that shoot back and are therefore the only real carebears in the game.

By George, I think I nailed it!


Truer words have never been spoken...!


Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:21:00 - [34]
 

I ganked one mining Battleship with a Cruiser. That BS had enough drones to kill me twice over before I killed him. His stupid fault for being lazy in NON-Secure space.

As to my other kills, they were all against Cruisers that were armed and active. Why? I'm looking for a fight, it's that simple. Only thing is that most of these folks I took there ship from cried in local for me to stop only then did they start to shoot me once I was into the armour.

But to them that want to inlsult me, keep it up I find it as ammusing now as I do getting called a modder when I play other on-line games.

BTW my real life occupation involves running a small team (18 staff) who's role is to help other citizens in my country get out of the breadline.

Bosie.

P.S. Jud I have a few corpses if you would like to use them, not much wear and tear in them. ;)

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:30:00 - [35]
 

And Bosie as for smacktalk and insults i got once a hate mail from a destroyed pirateShocked!!

People are just unbelievable.

Velsharoon
Gallente
Arcane Velshologies
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:38:00 - [36]
 

I have never got hate mail :(

I only get smack and mails asking for compensation Shocked

And your career ingame doesnt make u a mugger or what ever in real life we are the same as miners and stuff, just we destroy not create...

Vels

Killash Larz
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2004.07.30 11:44:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Zell
Originally by: Riddari
I still don't understand why "dedicated" PVP people get more fun ganking targets that don't shoot back than fighting each other.

Unless said people really don't want targets that shoot back and are therefore the only real carebears in the game.

By George, I think I nailed it!


Truer words have never been spoken...!




Like firing lasers at roids for example Razz


Lord Artemis
Dark Seraph
Order of the Black Cross
Posted - 2004.07.30 12:04:00 - [38]
 

Rolling Eyes ok, we see alot of threads dealing with pirates knocking out miners in low sec space... is it lame, maybe, is it the fight real pirates are looking for, probably not.
fellow pirates should give this guy hell for easy kill
what the low sec miners don't get, don't realize is that if you don't have defense, DONT GO.
I myself was "humbled" by my complacency running missions. I was doing missions in my bs (only thing you can do in a new one besides mining :-P) early in game. I went to a 0.2 system to drop off courier mission item and made it there fine. I headed back to home base, happy to have one more mission done, and was warping thru gonditsa the last 0.3 before home stretch empire space, the same route I took out there. BOOMShocked what looked like 10 flashing red targetting pirates went to town on me, I kicked in my mwd and hauled ass to gate. I was bombarded by a gauntlet of smartbombs on the left and right side of my ship, and doing cartwheels from the missles slamming me around, I got to 5k from the gate when structure went BOOM, pod floatingShocked mouth open gauking at screen, I didn't even realize my pod still lived, headed to the gate again, BOOM pod goes, screen blank, and I'm back at station. I read the kill mail and to my surprise ShockedTwisted Evil one of the rats that killed me was named Artemis, I felt worse and convo'd him, told him nice one you got me blah blah blah, I WAS FURIOUS, but it was my fault for not checking and being naive. Lost b.s. and 4 +3 implants, and no insurance.
summary: for those that don't like a good story, you get blown up/podded/attacked you learn and learn fast or you will die again.
EVE words to live by "You have to be young and stupid before you can be old and wise"

Plug: P.O.P (player owned police) is now gathering and will be training, organizing, until Shiva then we go liveWink

Purvy
Amarr
Purvy's Used Panty Shop
Posted - 2004.07.30 12:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Riddari
I still don't understand why "dedicated" PVP people get more fun ganking targets that don't shoot back than fighting each other.

Unless said people really don't want targets that shoot back and are therefore the only real carebears in the game.



Actualy dedicated PVPers usually don't drop as good of loot as others do. I mean a few cargo mods and you can make a ton of isk. Haulers are addicted to those things like crack. you kill a dedicated pvper and you may get a decent gun or tech 2 mod that will sell for a fraction of what a local conversion does.

Juan Andalusian
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.07.30 12:12:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 30/07/2004 12:16:35
Originally by: Earthan
tottaly agree Juan.

I was long ago destroyed 2-3 times in indies, its tottaly ok , i hadnt any hatred for my enemies, could be friend with them.

Sounds like great fun Bosie.Man After Powder stories and this i begin to be attracted by the dark side...Shocked


Lol you don't want to switch sides yet Earth, you have taught me most of your tricks :P

Would be a same to have to use them against you :P

Myal Terego
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2004.07.30 12:38:00 - [41]
 

Bosie, may your path be filled with carnage and destruction.
Pirates will always be called all the names you can imagine by a certain players. Why they think their opinion would matter to us, is beyond me. My own theory is that the ones who smack you the worst, are the ones who fear you the most.

And according to them, no matter what you do, if you gate camp its lame and lazy, if you hunt miners/npc hunters youre a coward, shoot an indy and your both, the only time your not an lazy lame coward as*hole griefer, is when they get away. They will then call you a sucker instead. Laughing

Take my word for it, theese players will always find something to blame on bcus god forbid, they never made a misstake that was the cause of their own demise.
cheers, and good job on the armageddon.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.07.30 13:02:00 - [42]
 

some people even tell in local thy sold viceroy our location ^^

that was too funy, especially when we had SPVDs with us Laughing

Joe Blob
Caldari
Total Warehouse Logistics
Posted - 2004.07.30 13:48:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Joe Blob on 30/07/2004 13:49:59
It never ceases to amaze me how a certain number of miners continually get upset about being ganked in low sec, thinking its their god given right to mine there, totally risk free.

Its rather like a Jewish dude walking through the back streets of Bagdad, then wondering why u being ****d and beheaded by a bunch of Iraqis.


edit-spelling

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.07.30 14:19:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Joe Blob
Edited by: Joe Blob on 30/07/2004 13:49:59

Its rather like a Jewish dude walking through the back streets of Bagdad, then wondering why u being ****d and beheaded by a bunch of Iraqis.


edit-spelling


Not the best analogy. Edit please. Wink

Elucidate
Gallente
Posted - 2004.07.30 15:35:00 - [45]
 

Ah, the age old whine thread from the Pvp/Non-PvPers..

Both sides need to quit their crying and get on with life :)

All PvP games will have people who have nothing better to do then gank defenseless ships since they don't dare take on a ship with defenses. Props to the pirates that actually pirate. :)

And that's why I stay in .6+ sec space.

Paw Sandberg
Gallente
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2004.07.30 16:28:00 - [46]
 

I am sorry Eve already offers totally safe game play stay in .5+ there is no PvP Pirates the only way you can get killed in safe space is by NPC Pirates

Gate campers are lame though there is nothing you can do on these cowardly peoble that lay outside sentry range (200+ KM) and fire upon you there is no fairness to this

If you enter .4-0.0 you should be prepared for a fight and/or have protection its as simply as that then you can say well i want the good roids truth is you dont need them you can buy mega and zyd in safe space and those are the only things you cant mine there yeah it takes longer but come on

Pirates are a thing needed in .4- we wish to make some secure area's for peoble wanting to mine in .1-.4 thats what the Player Police force is all about but honestly this game would be as lame as E&B if they did not allow PvP Pirates and unfortunatly (as i have said before) CCP seams to gear more and more against PvP Pirates to protect all these peoble that like to wine and complain and want EVE to be a mining simulater

maybe in time EVE will create a second server that will be PvP free maybe CCP should try to make the new test server that way for a while (say 6 months) as a test we will see how many peoble will play that server and how soon they will come back to Tranq (copy all peobles charectors top the test server and dont touch them for 6 months and make all space on the test server PvP free see what happens)


Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.30 16:53:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: An Imal
I haven't gotten a single hate mail yet and I've killed a few (not hundreds but a few) miners and people who did not at all expect PvP. About half my victims actually strike up a convo or send an email telling me how they liked my tactics, excuse their mistakes or tell me that they had fun.
I'm not a uber ganker btw. I'm in a frigate and I mostly hunt cruisers so it can go either way and most of the fights are quite entertaining for both sides.
Often when I'm done fighting someone who doesn't have a very much experience I point their mistakes out to them (in a constructive way) and tell them how to avoid or kill me in the future.


I was about to write a nice long tirade about griefers (which the original author of this thread is becoming/has become). But then I realized, what's the point. Since you're lame enough to seek targets that are incapable, or unwilling, to fight back, then you're no better than someone who picks on children.

Stealing candy from a baby is not sport or very challenging. And yes, everyone who goes in to <.5 space should accept that they are at risk.

I don't bother sending hate mail to those who have killed me. But I only really respect those who give their targets a chance... a chance to ransom their ships, to save their pods, to fight back.

I would certainly respect a frigate who went hunting me in a cruiser while I was mining. A challenge for the pirate, and me. And since I'm not going to be equipped for PvP, it gives us both a bit of a rush.

And if I'm out looking for a fight, bring it on.

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.30 17:00:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Kel Shek
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Judicator, I doubt you care, but if it means anything, its opinions like that, which REALLY encourage the idea that pirating is nothing more than organized greifing.
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You're probably right, he doesn't care. And that's exactly why I didn't bother writing what you wrote. Sad

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2004.07.30 17:10:00 - [49]
 

Who gave some people the impression that this game is supposed to be fair? 'Cause last i checked, rl isn't.

The manual never mentioned anything about people only being able to pvp only against other combat vessels (of equal size or greater), and I'm sure wouldn't even suggest it.

On topic: hate mail sounds like fun...

(I lied...i never got a manual. Embarassed)


hired goon
Posted - 2004.07.30 17:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Who gave some people the impression that this game is supposed to be fair? 'Cause last i checked, rl isn't.


Yes, but we don't pay monthly for the fun fun fun of playing real life.

Well we do but... you know what I mean :p

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2004.07.30 18:21:00 - [51]
 

Well, i was implying that people's notions of fairness are a foreign concept considering the world around us is far from it (i think u know that Surprised), especially in a game that encourages such activities (like screwing others over for personal gain). I don't buy a game that says things like "you can be an infamous pirate!" on the box, where 50% of the universe is "outlaw space", and expect to fly around without any kind of danger. I hate using analogies (but ill use one anyway); It's like playing resident evil for the puzzles and getting upset because the zombies keep killing me!

It's the total package. It's freedom. "You can't have your cake and eat it too", cause you have to share the cake with others, including those nasty pvpers. roar! Mad

Zarquon Beeblebrox
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.07.30 18:48:00 - [52]
 

I'v come to the conclution. The more my targets whine, smack, cries and make noice the better pirate i ame.

I dont care what ship your in, ibis, hauler, mining moa or what ever. Either you pay or you die. And most of the time you will have to contact me to live.


Tiwaz
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2004.07.30 19:13:00 - [53]
 

I can understand why ppl will get mad after being shot by another player, who just happens to come along.

But haven said that, then this game is all about pvp. Every other thing in this game, is just there to finance ur losses and insurance.

If u get ganked by pirats in ur area, if pirats declare war on ur corp. Then fight back, use what u have and fight back. Nothing comes even close fun wise.

Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2004.07.30 21:54:00 - [54]
 

"There is no fair. There is only me"
Death (quite a few Discworld novels)

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2004.07.30 23:30:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Bosie on 30/07/2004 23:32:28
Originally by: Percivs
Originally by: An Imal
I haven't gotten a single hate mail yet and I've killed a few (not hundreds but a few) miners and people who did not at all expect PvP. About half my victims actually strike up a convo or send an email telling me how they liked my tactics, excuse their mistakes or tell me that they had fun.
I'm not a uber ganker btw. I'm in a frigate and I mostly hunt cruisers so it can go either way and most of the fights are quite entertaining for both sides.
Often when I'm done fighting someone who doesn't have a very much experience I point their mistakes out to them (in a constructive way) and tell them how to avoid or kill me in the future.


I was about to write a nice long tirade about griefers (which the original author of this thread is becoming/has become). But then I realized, what's the point. Since you're lame enough to seek targets that are incapable, or unwilling, to fight back, then you're no better than someone who picks on children.

Stealing candy from a baby is not sport or very challenging. And yes, everyone who goes in to <.5 space should accept that they are at risk.

I don't bother sending hate mail to those who have killed me. But I only really respect those who give their targets a chance... a chance to ransom their ships, to save their pods, to fight back.

I would certainly respect a frigate who went hunting me in a cruiser while I was mining. A challenge for the pirate, and me. And since I'm not going to be equipped for PvP, it gives us both a bit of a rush.

And if I'm out looking for a fight, bring it on.



But you don't respect a Cruiser killing a mining BS or that same Cruiser killing other Cruisers kitted for combat?

Bosie.

Spec 593357629
Exiled.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2004.07.31 03:35:00 - [56]
 

If you wana kill miners in 0.3 go ahead. Its there fault for wandering into lawless space. When im in ANY ship I alwas keep an eye on local and my scanner.

0.4 and under is lawless and therefore you should be looking over your sholder all the time. I dont take it personally if i get podded, **** happens. If you dont wana get ganked then dont venture out of empire, and ohh well no good minerals for you. Im just w8ting for war to be declared across the empire, now that would be nice ;-).

one thing i hate = logging ***s. Now that gets on my nerves. I dont know how meny times ive ventured out with a fleet only to have a bunch of queers camping in stations or safe spots. Then the next day when im all alone, I get ganked. That sucks but what you gana do.

Most people who play this game will cower away from combat even if its to there advantage. you want a game with no pvp then go play anyother online rpg most of em shun player combat. I meant what are we all here for? to kill ****!! Hell if this game gets any more "friendly" im gana go play R6 Raven Shield. Now that is a game for people whith true combat skills. You want a friendly tea party then go play Counter stike!!


Tariq Steel
Cospoli Assembly
Posted - 2004.07.31 03:52:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Clone 410
This thread is a perfect example of how EVE is going wrong.

Players like Bosie are exactly what gives EVE the edge over all the other MMORPG's out there. It's about danger. Risk. Adrenaline.

When I started playing EVE (only a few months ago) going into low sec space was risky. I lost a few ships to player pirates in 0.1-0.4 and it was a blast. Set me back a lot a few times too, when I lost my thorax to a player rat 2 days after buying it I was crippled for a while.

But I never moaned, I never sent hate mails, what I did was I got better at playing the game and learned to defend and protect myself. I even managed a few kills on unsuspecting player rats who thought I was an easy miner kill :)

Since then CCP have made it harder and harder for pirates to operate. It's become less and less profitable for them and as far as I can tell it's effectively not a viable career choice now. Mining in the low-sec systems has become safer and safer to the point where I now mine in a 0.1 in a Dominix with no weapons on it and *never* get bothered.

And you know what? It's boring as hell. There's no rush, no fear, no adrenaline. If I didn't have a good combat alt I can pvp with I'd have moved on to another game by now.

I fervently hope that CCP read threads like this and start to realise what a pathetic bunch of people the carebears are and STOP PANDERING TO THEIR WHINGES AND CRYING. Kill piracy and you kill EVE.

I say YARRR! Go Bosie! Generate more hate mail, it's the way forward YARRRR!! !


THANK YOU! I'm a miner/refiner/NPC hunter and occasional PC pirate hunter. Made my living in .6+ space. But I get a rush when I go to low sec space. Just knowing a PC pirate may hit my belt just is TOO COOL! Sometimes I'll go to low sec space and "fake mine" just to engage a PC pirate (podded twice and did a podding myself doing this). The PC pirate and I have a good laugh about it, give some respect, and move on. Yeah I gotta start mining again to build another cruiser but SO WHAT? Leave pirates alone. They add character, danger, and risk to Eve. If this turns into a NPC only and mining sim, I quit.

Paw Sandberg
Gallente
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2004.07.31 04:34:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Tariq Steel
Originally by: Clone 410
This thread is a perfect example of how EVE is going wrong.

Players like Bosie are exactly what gives EVE the edge over all the other MMORPG's out there. It's about danger. Risk. Adrenaline.

When I started playing EVE (only a few months ago) going into low sec space was risky. I lost a few ships to player pirates in 0.1-0.4 and it was a blast. Set me back a lot a few times too, when I lost my thorax to a player rat 2 days after buying it I was crippled for a while.

But I never moaned, I never sent hate mails, what I did was I got better at playing the game and learned to defend and protect myself. I even managed a few kills on unsuspecting player rats who thought I was an easy miner kill :)

Since then CCP have made it harder and harder for pirates to operate. It's become less and less profitable for them and as far as I can tell it's effectively not a viable career choice now. Mining in the low-sec systems has become safer and safer to the point where I now mine in a 0.1 in a Dominix with no weapons on it and *never* get bothered.

And you know what? It's boring as hell. There's no rush, no fear, no adrenaline. If I didn't have a good combat alt I can pvp with I'd have moved on to another game by now.

I fervently hope that CCP read threads like this and start to realise what a pathetic bunch of people the carebears are and STOP PANDERING TO THEIR WHINGES AND CRYING. Kill piracy and you kill EVE.

I say YARRR! Go Bosie! Generate more hate mail, it's the way forward YARRRR!! !


THANK YOU! I'm a miner/refiner/NPC hunter and occasional PC pirate hunter. Made my living in .6+ space. But I get a rush when I go to low sec space. Just knowing a PC pirate may hit my belt just is TOO COOL! Sometimes I'll go to low sec space and "fake mine" just to engage a PC pirate (podded twice and did a podding myself doing this). The PC pirate and I have a good laugh about it, give some respect, and move on. Yeah I gotta start mining again to build another cruiser but SO WHAT? Leave pirates alone. They add character, danger, and risk to Eve. If this turns into a NPC only and mining sim, I quit.



what you just said about sums it up for me to and (hopefully) 80% of the peoble playing


Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2004.07.31 06:46:00 - [59]
 

I wish we got hate mails, all we get are "will u kill dis pir8 4 me" mails.

An Imal
Posted - 2004.07.31 08:26:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Tariq Steel
Sometimes I'll go to low sec space and "fake mine" just to engage a PC pirate (podded twice and did a podding myself doing this). The PC pirate and I have a good laugh about it, give some respect, and move on. Yeah I gotta start mining again to build another cruiser but SO WHAT?


Now that is just BRILLIANT Very Happy HAHAHA never heard about this tactic before. Park your ship in front of a rock and drop a cargo can and the best part is that when the pirates warp in they will think that the reason they don't see your mining lasers is becasue of that mining laser bug (the one that you can't see anything that was on before you warped in).
I would really enjoy getting killed by a guy using this tactic.


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