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streptococcus
Posted - 2009.01.16 17:30:00 - [1]
 

anyone got any remedies for this ?.My doctor has put me on these tablets (citalopram) whowever that dont appear to be doing the trick for me atm .anyone else suffer from them or know how to combat them? .apart from the bloomin obvious (stop driving) which is not an option as I need a car for my job


its kinda embarressing bloody driving down dual carriage ways at bareley 40mph with other cars tooting at you to get you to hurry up Embarassed

any CONSTRUCTIVE advice is welcome ...ta in advance

Rob Z0mbie
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.16 17:33:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Rob Z0mbie on 16/01/2009 17:33:24
xanax... but it increases the chance of having a car crash by 50% ... and it can get addictive if abused. harsh withdrawl symptoms too.

consult a psychiatrist mate. they know what to do. n above else, you need a long vacation Neutral

streptococcus
Posted - 2009.01.16 17:36:00 - [3]
 

i was involved to a train crash in london (ladrooke grove )....and my doc reckons that was the trigger daft thing is i never had any problems driving for 2-3 years after untill recently ConfusedEmbarassed

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.01.16 17:48:00 - [4]
 

Apart from learning some breathing/relaxation techniques, my opinion (and im not medically trained ofc) is to stick with your medication.

How long have you been on this treatment, as that type of drug can take a month or even two to begin to have a beneficial effect. And unfortunatly the side-effects in the early stages can include increased anxiety etc.

I suffered from panic attacks for a while, and eventually they went (medication helped me, and talkng therapy), especially as I began to recognise the symptoms starting, and instead of thinking 'OMG, I'm having a heart attack and im gonna die', I would realise, hey its just a panic attack, and it woudnt escalate.

Oh, and alcohol is not a good idea, it definateley made it worse for me, not immediately, but like a delayed reaction, a day or two after a drink and an attack would start.

Hey, we are living in a stressful world, this kind of thing is a lot more common than people realise, so good luck.

Gun Kata
R.E.D Enterprises
Posted - 2009.01.16 19:12:00 - [5]
 

Do you exercise?

I used to get panic attacks a little due to work stress. There I was sitting in traffic when BAM! its like an adrenaline injection - for no reason.

Exercise helps (raise your serotonin levels) and don't play mind games with yourself. Also have some music to focus on in your car. Don't be scared of trying something you never listen to. Classical piano to techno does wonders for my head :)

Good luck.

Vabjekf
Posted - 2009.01.16 19:32:00 - [6]
 

what exactly causes the panic attacks? Driving in general? Driving in close proximity to other vehicles? Going above a certain speed?

Could you drive in a circle in an empty parking lot at 5mph and be okay?

Dont relay have any useful advice, but figuring out exactly what triggers them could probably be helpful somehow or another. But then if you've already sen a doctor about this im sure you've worked that out.

Try playing racing video games and see what happens =P

Stubnitz
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.16 19:47:00 - [7]
 

I suffered with them for many years they can be really quite debilitating, fortunately i managed to get to grips with them a fair few years back.

I did try medication similar to the type you are on at the moment, SSRI's Prozac etc for me they did not work but as someone already pointed out they can take a while to take effect, how long have you been taking them?

Hopefully they will help you but they may not be a long term fix, especially seeing as your attacks may be related to a traumatic experience. For me what helped was talking. i eventually went to see a professional. He helped me to strip away the irrational processes involved and come to terms with the fears i had, logically the fears then disappeared.

I only wish i had gone to see someone sooner, i suffered and i need not have but my outlook on the subject at the time was all that stuff is just babble, i don't need it.

Hope this made sense, I'm rubbish at writingSmile

Convo me if you wanna chatSmile

7shining7one7
Posted - 2009.01.16 19:47:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 16/01/2009 20:13:22
Originally by: streptococcus
anyone got any remedies for this ?.My doctor has put me on these tablets (citalopram) whowever that dont appear to be doing the trick for me atm .anyone else suffer from them or know how to combat them? .apart from the bloomin obvious (stop driving) which is not an option as I need a car for my job

its kinda embarressing bloody driving down dual carriage ways at bareley 40mph with other cars tooting at you to get you to hurry up Embarassed

any CONSTRUCTIVE advice is welcome ...ta in advance


your problem is stress, and the stress is not driving related..

first off.. GET OFF THE F'ING MEDICATION it only makes it worse and makes you less alert and more error prone..

here's a proper start:

start by turning off everything, and i mean everything, including eve OFF when you get home and just relax with the misses or if you haven't then just by yourself. do this for a week.

then contact a driving school and ask for 10-12 arbitrary off schedule track lessons with the instructor being the antagonist in the opposing car, practice every scenario you can think of that ****es you off, have fun with it, pay him for his time, do it a couple of hours on the weekends asap. (don't get a m8 to do it, you want a controlled environment and a very experienced driver as antagonist, not some ****head who thinks he's awesome and/or wants to prove something.)

next do about 5 sessions of offroading to allieviate stress and just goof around completely and tear the track apart.

that should fix you right up, driving should be a great stress reliever, not the other way around, and you'll see how that works after the above.

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.01.16 20:02:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: zombiedeadhead on 16/01/2009 20:08:41
I agree with the advice given by the other posters above, exercise and 'talking it out' with a professional are both excellent ideas to explore.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2009.01.16 21:02:00 - [10]
 

pvp in expensive ships, that'll get your nerves back.

Brutus King
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
Posted - 2009.01.16 22:37:00 - [11]
 

Horse and cart. That's what I did.

kendo Collins
Amarr
Cymru Holdings Ltd
Posted - 2009.01.17 02:20:00 - [12]
 

Exact same here same prob same meds even had trouble going in shops at one time due to panic attacks, something ive found works are distraction techniques as your focusing on the panic which will indeed get worse if u think to much on it.

So next time you drive try to think of something else when you feel the attacks come on but definately dont avoid driving in fact accept your just like any other human being in that you will make mistakes and a few little nerves keep you alert and if anything overconfidence usually ends in accidents.

Take some extra lessons also if you do feel confident with an instructer in the car then try imaging them there when your alone.

If your really worried about what other ppl think about you on the road then just get some of them green just passed plates until you get some confidence up.Some ppl but not all are more tolerant if they think you have just passed!

Citalopram takes a few weeks to kick in . as an anti depressant it makes you sort of numb to the world ive found kalms just as good if your not taking them.

Accept that there are many bullies on the road ,tailgaters etc who think they know it all until they end up in an accident but also good drivers and also like yself nervous drivers .

keep at it take the car out when theres not much traffic and extent your journey time the more you do it the easier itl be.

Accept one day you may have a knock im sure you know a few who have had some - thats what insurance is for!

If you do make a mistake just learn from it dont let it eat you up by dwelling on it youl go mad and if ppl do sound thier horn wave politely and accept the fact that no driver never makes an error its just a matter of reducing the chances

So take your time with this and im sure youl be fine also

Paul Mckenna sells a driving fear mp3 download on his site ive used this and it certainly helped me if your interrested.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.17 02:44:00 - [13]
 

Valium Cool

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2009.01.17 07:18:00 - [14]
 

smoke a fatty

people say that's unsafe. well i smoked and drove for YEARS with not one unsafe incident. you are calmer and more cautious.

one time i did go east on a highway instead of west for an hour turning a 3 hour trip into a 5 hour one (my girlfriend was rather upset) but thats a different story altogether

Rob Z0mbie
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.17 10:41:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Valium Cool


the king of benzodiazapines .. Very addictive =p i'd be careful with it.

streptococcus
Posted - 2009.01.17 13:25:00 - [16]
 

sooo many helpfull posts here guy thanks Very HappyVery Happy

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.17 13:30:00 - [17]
 

Go to a large local high school parking lot on a weekend and practice driving and parking. Then drive around the local neighborhoods. Then move to larger byways. Spend hours in the parking lot and the rural neighborhoods and slowly work your way up.

Also look at a map and track the slowest rural route to work. It may be slower, but it could potentially be much less stressful.


Slade

streptococcus
Posted - 2009.01.17 13:35:00 - [18]
 

already doing that Very Happyit just seems to be on the motorways that i have this problem ...yes i know its soo totaly bloody irrational to get them Evil or Very Mad.me driving down rural routes give me the chance to pull off when the start where as on the motorway i cant ..for obvious reasons Sad

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.17 13:45:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 17/01/2009 13:47:12
My sister suffers from panic attacks very frequently. She says that eventually she just learned to recognize the symptoms and deal with them. She didn't use medication or anything, she just learned how to stop them.

My advice? Don't bother with the chemicals. Pull over to the side of the road and put your hazard lights on. Shut your eyes, switch over to some soothing music, and force yourself to take slow, deep breaths. In through the nose, count five, out through the mouth, count five, repeat. Focus on nothing but that slow, steady rhythm of breathing, and resist the urge to breath faster.

It's amazing how effective simple breathing exercises can be.


and yeah, I know you said you can't pull over on the motorway, but you totally can, mate. The hard shoulder's there for a reason, and not just for mechanical failure.

Gnomes Rock
Posted - 2009.01.17 13:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
smoke a fatty

people say that's unsafe. well i smoked and drove for YEARS with not one unsafe incident. you are calmer and more cautious.

one time i did go east on a highway instead of west for an hour turning a 3 hour trip into a 5 hour one (my girlfriend was rather upset) but thats a different story altogether


Seconding this, just practice for a bit before going in the car.

I say this because greening out/only seeing white for a few minutes isn't good to do while driving.

Jack Rowanburn
V I R I I
Cult of War
Posted - 2009.01.17 15:00:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Gnomes Rock
Originally by: HankMurphy
smoke a fatty

people say that's unsafe. well i smoked and drove for YEARS with not one unsafe incident. you are calmer and more cautious.

one time i did go east on a highway instead of west for an hour turning a 3 hour trip into a 5 hour one (my girlfriend was rather upset) but thats a different story altogether


Seconding this, just practice for a bit before going in the car.

I say this because greening out/only seeing white for a few minutes isn't good to do while driving.


Thirded, but a word of warning. The Police tend to frown on you doing too slow ie 20Mph in a 50, they also get upset when you tell them "but i'm safer as I'm less likely to crash"

Brunnis Jetrel
Gallente
Shining Horses
Posted - 2009.01.17 15:28:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Brunnis Jetrel on 17/01/2009 15:28:18
A Doctor is by definition a "General Practitioner", and usually has little experience in mental health issues, relying on just giving out the "standard" drugs. Ask to be referred to your local community mental health team who can better help you with :

1 Other medication that may work better for you (They are specialised medical personnel rather than "General Practioners")
2 The CMHT team usually have access to psychologists and other medicine based treatments that they can help you with.

What you don't say is how long you have been taking your current medication. Anti depressant medication can take at least a few weeks to get into your system and start working effectively. During that time (and when coming off them onto a different medication) there is a possibility that you may suffer side effects (often people can mistake these for the drugs not working for them and feeling worse)

I think that citalopram was one of the first medications that I was prescribed by my GP for panic attacks and depression, it didnt really work for me. Since asking to be referred to my CMHT, I've been up and down on a few medications, but have now stabilsed on a medication that works for me, combined with a course of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

Of course I still get bad days, on those I just log in to eve and go find an innocent party to go blow up. YARRRR!!



Inquisitor Cerberuso
Hounds of Helll
Posted - 2009.01.17 15:43:00 - [23]
 

Hmm odd, I have the opposite problem if anything, I love driving and love driving on motorways etc...

Most hear seem to have good ideas, but I would steer clear of ANY drugs, this will only eventually add to stress due to possible addictions/ cravings in most cases

I would suggest listening to music, or even audio book, something that will help relax you...

Also I notice you are in the UK, you can take extra driving lessons called pass plus, you may think you don't need these but driving instructors are experienced drivers and may have seen your problem before and have a way to deal with it..

Best of Luck

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.17 16:45:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/01/2009 16:47:52
Originally by: streptococcus
already doing that Very Happyit just seems to be on the motorways that i have this problem ...yes i know its soo totaly bloody irrational to get them Evil or Very Mad.me driving down rural routes give me the chance to pull off when the start where as on the motorway i cant ..for obvious reasons Sad


Okay.

How about, have you ever gone to a high speed go cart track or done bumper cars. It may sound a little silly, but if you get used to driving high speeds, in small vehicles, that are not enclosed, it may help get over part of the fear. Bumper cars may help you get used to the concept of collision.

These may help, but they are slim. Out side of those try doing something that presses your boundries. Above, people have mentioned exercise. That is a great idea, but maybe include forms of exercise that push your limits, say indoor rock climbing, if you have the facilities near you. So just start pushing your limits in other areas. Train the body so that it realizes that you have more control of the situations then it is telling you that you have.


Slade

The TX
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
Posted - 2009.01.17 17:27:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
i smoked and drove for YEARS with not one unsafe incident. you are calmer and more cautious.


I think that's probably a bit of luck more than anything. There must be statistics that show that driving under the influence of whatever you smoked (i know almost nothing about drugs, so I dunno what to call it in case I call it something that it isn't) is dangerous or that you are more at risk of having an accident because of it - and because it's avoidable (ie: "don't smoke crack" [quote from Waterboy, I think]) then it's WRONG, imo.





HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2009.01.17 18:23:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/01/2009 18:25:52
Originally by: Jack Rowanburn

Thirded, but a word of warning. The Police tend to frown on you doing too slow ie 20Mph in a 50, they also get upset when you tell them "but i'm safer as I'm less likely to crash"


Motorcycle Cop: Tell me, officer, do you have any idea how fast you were going?

Chris Farley in a cop car: Well, I got a 426 hemi here, 3/4 cams, nitro boosters, I can get 'er up to as good as 155! Never do, though, of course, unless I'm chasing a cute chick in a Ferrari! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess I was goin' about... 65, tops.

Motorcycle Cop: SEVEN! SEVEN miles an hour! And normally, when I stop people, they pull onto the *shoulder*!

(zoom out, chris farley is parked in the middle of the highway)

Laughing

Originally by: The TX

I think that's probably a bit of luck more than anything. There must be statistics that show that driving under the influence of whatever you smoked (i know almost nothing about drugs, so I dunno what to call it in case I call it something that it isn't) is dangerous or that you are more at risk of having an accident because of it - and because it's avoidable (ie: "don't smoke crack" [quote from Waterboy, I think]) then it's WRONG, imo.



fair enough. though i would say it has somewhat to do with the intelligence of the individual. while some would argue simply the act itself is evidence to the lack there of... the point i'm driving at is, some ppl aren't 'all there' and when they get stoned (or drink or whatever) they become complete and total idiots incapable of the most minor task while others.... well they just chill and go about their business.

i would like to note while i think it's perfectly fine to drive your car having smoked up a bit, i really REALLY don't like seeing people drive drunk or on pretty much any other drug

does that make me a hypocrite? perhaps. i prefer to think i make a distinction between two very different things where others will make a blanket judgment (and in my experience, the latter usually don't know wtf they are talking about and just regurgitating propaganda they've been fed). That however is just my opinion. Both arguments have their merit.


Brutus King
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
Posted - 2009.01.17 21:35:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
smoke a fatty

people say that's unsafe. well i smoked and drove for YEARS with not one unsafe incident. you are calmer and more cautious.

one time i did go east on a highway instead of west for an hour turning a 3 hour trip into a 5 hour one (my girlfriend was rather upset) but thats a different story altogether


I wouldn't recommend this.

You could become more panicky if the fear crept in. With your existing lack of confidence on the road, weed paranoia thrown in will probably have you pulling over and breathing into a paper bag.

Roymundo
Caldari
Malevolence.
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2009.01.18 03:05:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Roymundo on 18/01/2009 03:10:45
Originally by: streptococcus
anyone got any remedies for this ?.My doctor has put me on these tablets (citalopram) whowever that dont appear to be doing the trick for me atm .anyone else suffer from them or know how to combat them? .apart from the bloomin obvious (stop driving) which is not an option as I need a car for my job


its kinda embarressing bloody driving down dual carriage ways at bareley 40mph with other cars tooting at you to get you to hurry up Embarassed

any CONSTRUCTIVE advice is welcome ...ta in advance


drive faster.

if your brain can't keep up with the surroundings at 40mph then you are unsafe driving.

i'd rather you off the road than have you all drugged up and drowsy at the wheel....

edit: i don't think everyone has the "right to drive". you should only be able to drive if you can show yourself to be competent at it without posing a danger to others. from your looking for advice with drugs, i don't think you are safe in the slightest.

stay away from the drugs and go get some therapy, driving lessons, etc.

Brea Lafail
Posted - 2009.01.18 03:15:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
i would like to note while i think it's perfectly fine to drive your car having smoked up a bit, i really REALLY don't like seeing people drive drunk or on pretty much any other drug


tbh, I'd trust someone on meth or speed more than pot.

As for the OP, professional shrink is in order, and do what he says. None of this "oh, I dont really need this pills" nonsense.

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2009.01.18 09:37:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Brea Lafail

tbh, I'd trust someone on meth or speed more than pot.



i'm sure if we looked hard enough we could find some people more confident in people driving with their eyes shut than on 'the pot'

and yes, to the ultra serious here, i think we all know the op needs to see a doctor. crippling anxiety is a deep seated mental issue. but if one is going to ask for medical advise on the internet spaceships forum.....


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