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Tenaj
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.07.27 00:26:00 - [1]
 

OK, first off I suspect i'm going down in flames for this (which sadly will only support my theory) but here goes:

I'm an ore thief in Eve and as such not the most popular of characters. I accept that and I expect to get the usual 'come to 0.4 and we'll pod your ass' banter.

BUT,lately i've been getting my share of 'I'd like to find out where you live in RL so i can come round and kick your ass' and people posting on these forums that I'm most likely scum in REAL LIFE.

So what's the consensus of opinion on this? Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.

Or am i wrong about that?

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 00:46:00 - [2]
 

People threatening you like that is just silly. If they have that much of a problem with you there are in-game means of taking it out on you(I know my corp has any number of ore thief corpses). Ore thieves are a part of the game, and if you use jet cans, they are a risk you take. Just like if you screw around mining in a .4 system and get hit by rats. There are ways to avoid, and ways to deal with, both problems. No reason to get all worked up and personally insulted.

Voldemort
Minmatar
InTech Inc.
Posted - 2004.07.27 00:47:00 - [3]
 

In Eve i am a pirate. AND i am a pirate in real life, mostly just attacking cruise ships with my small fishing vessel and such. ARGH!

But even me (a terribly evil caribbean pirate) dont make in-game threats about RL. thats just not my style. MUAHAHAHAHA

YARRRR!!

Tenaj
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.07.27 00:51:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Voldemort
In Eve i am a pirate. AND i am a pirate in real life, mostly just attacking cruise ships with my small fishing vessel and such. ARGH!

But even me (a terribly evil caribbean pirate) dont make in-game threats about RL. thats just not my style. MUAHAHAHAHA

YARRRR!!


ROFL, Nice one !! LaughingLaughingLaughing


Kronin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 00:54:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tenaj
Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.


Yes, you right. Wink
Don't be afraid to be an ore thief, pirate or even corp thief. It's a part of a game. We need it. CPP will not remove this "options" from the game. It sounds like "We don't need npc to make damage to our ships! We just want to take their loot." Very Happy
I wish some1 tell me he want to find me in RL. A very long trip. Heh.

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2004.07.27 02:09:00 - [6]
 

yeah I've gotten that too...and it is ******ed. how ever you are a care bear and people should want to kill you in the game, not in real life. if fact that you can stomach your own lame game play speaks highly of your tenacity :)

still I would like to catch you with out concord protecting you or your NPC corp living...but then again your a care bear and of course your petrified to PvP.

Kronin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 02:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mitchello
but then again your a care bear and of course your petrified to PvP.


Just one question. Why everybody say that doing PvP makes you a cool man? Sounds childly.

Mac Knife
Gallente
The Company of Wolves
Posted - 2004.07.27 02:33:00 - [8]
 

Aye Tenaj that sux royally,i support what ur doing in how u earn ur money and i expect ppl will bad mouth u in local,but saying they will come round and kick ur ass in rl is just low,ur probably right,they r just some 11yr old smacktalking arse who has to little sh** to do but moan that ur stealing his ore,his fault neway he/she should be using secure cans if they know ur about Wink
Mac Knife

Jael Markinsen
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.07.27 02:35:00 - [9]
 

Well, I think mitchello is being a little hasty here on this one, as he obviously has very strong feelings towards it. But, that's a good thing, everyone has their own set of morals and ethics that they apply. I Myself am ambivalent to this subject, because it is "role" that you as a character are allowed play. And no, I don't or will I ever go stealing other people's ****, I'm too lazy for that. lol

Now to address your topic, Under no circumstances, none whatsoever, is there going to be a valid excuse for RL threats against anybody. Here in the U.S., that constitutes: Assault. Which is punishable by law.
that said though, your suspicion about these threats is the same one i have, being the majority of them said by the younger people playing this game. I have never spoken to you before so I don't know how well you deal with personal insults and these threats, I am just taking a SWAG here, but, I'll bet you do your roleplay with these people in order for to be more immersive?

Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.07.27 03:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tenaj
BUT,lately i've been getting my share of 'I'd like to find out where you live in RL so i can come round and kick your ass' and people posting on these forums that I'm most likely scum in REAL LIFE.

So what's the consensus of opinion on this? Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.

Or am i wrong about that?


*sigh* If I had a dime for every idiot that's threatened me with bodily harm in real life whilst online..

Don't worry though, they'll never ever put their money where their mouths are and show up at your front door. So don't bother stocking up on bricks of your favorite calibre, unless you plan on going to your local shooting range sometime soon. Smile

I'd hesitate to say that they're all just kids. Stupidity, after all, knows no age limits. At any rate, if you want to teach them not to be annoying little (bleep), try petitioning them. Not sure how well CCP handles idiots spewing death threats and such, but it couldn't hurt.

You could also try to deliver them the kick in the arse of their life by getting the police involved. The problems with that are dealing with local/national/international law, and the fact that most police forces tend not to care unless you have a very credible threat - they usually need more to go on than someone saying 'OMG I R KILL JOO IRL!'.

Excavation Svcs
Posted - 2004.07.27 03:20:00 - [11]
 

Whats really sad is that most people dont seem to know the rules! Many people threaten to petition my ore theft or my escrow scams. That really ruins the game athmosphere.
I mean imagine it like this, I go :"Hope you are satisfied with the Ore Excavation services,sir" and in reply comes " I'M GONNA PETITION YO AZZ,NOOB,U GET BANNED"
Sad.

Rufus Kex
Genco
Posted - 2004.07.27 04:38:00 - [12]
 

I don't know about you, but I think ore thieves are kinda cute. I mean, hey, if you actually mine for more than an hour without collecting your ore, you have to know it's a risk you take to lose everything to an ore thief. It's basically giving the stuff away.

It's like mining in <0.5 without watching local. You have to be aware of the risk you take of being blown up at any time. It's all about knowing what you're doing really.

An hour can be a long time, and losing all that work in an instant is sad, but why won't people learn from their mistakes? If you don't have patience in this game you shouldn't play it.

AND, there are areas where ore thieves don't seem to operate (I've never actually seen an ore thief personally, really, and I've mined a LOT).

People who complain about ore thieves and start silly whining threads, just quit it, it makes you look stupid.

(Sidenote: I do not support either ore thievery nor grief play at all. I see them as one of the lousiest criminal beings, but it's all up to them.)

Pa1nbringr
CRICE Corporation
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2004.07.27 05:16:00 - [13]
 

tell the people that say they are going to pod you to come to p3en-e, or hakonen/obe area =)

Feta Solamnia
Posted - 2004.07.27 05:44:00 - [14]
 

only RL "threat" I'd make from eve is when I spot a female player:
I'll get over there and sX-OR you to death Laughing

Now really, ppl taking it seriously enough to make stuff like that are idiots.
Hell, in my first podding I even tipped my killer 1m for destroying my full set of implants.

corporal hicks
Gallente
Naughty 40
Posted - 2004.07.27 06:09:00 - [15]
 

I think you miss the facts here, people are annoyed with CCP as regards corp thieves and ore thieves ect not at the person doing it, the idea behind it is ok if and I say if there was a way for the character to be punished for doing it or something like that. Pity when it happensd the player takes his/her frustraition with CCp out on the ore thief or corp thief.

Simple Facts: Most ore thiefs are carebears, they stay in very high sec systems, they stay in noob corps ( no war declarations ), if they are in a actual corp and war is declared on them they wait 24 hours and change corps. Most ore thiefs are alts feeding another main character with no risk. This is why people get annoyed with them.

As regards Corp Thiefs: These guys are again mostly alts, they get to rob not only one person but entire corporations of assets and get away with it because of CCP. In RL sorry to say no one would ever get away with robbing a Corporation transfering the money and assets to someone else and thats it, even if they did this and commited suicide all the money would leave a trail and it would all be seized back from whoever it went to. Wonder why CCP don't or won't realise this?

So to close, Corp thiefs and Ore thiefs could be tolerated if CCP made a system in which they could be made to pay or at least a corp would have a very good chance of making them pay for it.

As regards threats in RL, this is a serious offence and maybe you should file a harrasment petition about this, I know if anyone threatened me in the game saying they would love to come and give me a beating or something I would petition them for harrasment.



corporal hicks
Gallente
Naughty 40
Posted - 2004.07.27 06:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Excavation Svcs
Whats really sad is that most people dont seem to know the rules! Many people threaten to petition my ore theft or my escrow scams. That really ruins the game athmosphere.
I mean imagine it like this, I go :"Hope you are satisfied with the Ore Excavation services,sir" and in reply comes " I'M GONNA PETITION YO AZZ,NOOB,U GET BANNED"
Sad.



Well its a interesting point but then again from the Box lid we got the game in there was ment to be a bounty hunter feature which could track characters but was never implemented.

Let me ask you a honest question. If CCP ever made a system that could link alts and mains would you be happy with it or would you be up here crying when every person you ever stole ore off starts killing your main character?


Ryctor
Amarr Defence Initiative
Posted - 2004.07.27 06:48:00 - [17]
 

Well for starters my main character is my Ore Relocation and Transportation Specialist.....Rolling Eyes


Broc Vallion
Hugger Mugger
Posted - 2004.07.27 07:10:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Broc Vallion on 27/07/2004 07:11:59
I play with my main too.....stealing ships in 0.0 space in an uninsured Bs
with very expensive mods + implants....and ofcourse I'm going to avoid PVP
I'm not crazy!.my alt will be more than happy to be podded by you though, as I shove him through the stargate ahead of me ....

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.07.27 07:46:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tenaj
OK, first off I suspect i'm going down in flames for this (which sadly will only support my theory) but here goes:

I'm an ore thief in Eve and as such not the most popular of characters. I accept that and I expect to get the usual 'come to 0.4 and we'll pod your ass' banter.

BUT,lately i've been getting my share of 'I'd like to find out where you live in RL so i can come round and kick your ass' and people posting on these forums that I'm most likely scum in REAL LIFE.

So what's the consensus of opinion on this? Personally I think that most of the RL threats come from kids and that the vast majority of adults understand that this is a role playing game, with no connection to real life events.

Or am i wrong about that?



As has been discussed before, there is no such thing as ore theft in Eve. It doesn't exist. So when you take ore from a jetted can, there is nothing to steal. I don't understand how it is possible to steal from something that has been discarded.

As regards to RL - petition, petition, petition. Anyone making RL threats to any players should be perma banned from the game. CCP need to clamp down harder on this.

Miso x

Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2004.07.27 08:09:00 - [20]
 

ArrowThis reply is dedicated to lordmix.Very Happy

Originally by: Tenaj
BUT,lately i've been getting my share of 'I'd like to find out where you live in RL so i can come round and kick your ass' and people posting on these forums that I'm most likely scum in REAL LIFE.


You could always petition these incidences under harrassment if they really bother and upset you.

As far as anything criminally chargeable in real life, without some type of means, opportunity, or credible threat, or an 'act in furtherance', you would be hard pressed to make any type of a legal case, at least in the US.

I see that you can appreciate people being out of sorts with you for relieving them of their 'hard earned work product'. You do seem to handle yourself with aplomb and grace on the forums here, so I am quite sure that you can keep the RP face on whilst dealing with those who feel you have ruined their gaming experience.

As far as your comments about the harsh words in reply to your in game actions coming from kids, and that the vast majority or adults being understanding about your role playing a character, I would recommend looking into the incidences of some parental behavior whilst they are attending their children's sporting events in the US, such as, physically attacking coaches and sporting officials.

You asked for a consensus, and I don't believe it is all kids giving your grief back to you in the only manner that they feel that they can, I believe that the majority is most likely going to be persons of adult age, simply due to the law of averages based on my eve gameplay experience. I know I wouldn't care for you to come lift my ore, and I also know it would irritate me, if only for me not being prepared.

But not everyone chooses to make every attempt to practice self control. Particularly if they have chosen to play the role of empire/forum badass ore-thief hater, which REALLY looks to be well on its way to being a counter-valid profession that apparently spawned out of the inability to use in-game mechanics to gain retribution against your ilk. Your chosen role makes it very difficult for a 'honest' player character to deal with you and yours. Just look at all the ore thief hate threads in general for examples.

With all that said, perhaps look at the infamous Lady Beeblebrox's methods of RP and model your own communications after her consistent diatribe, ignoring all insults, and requesting assistance from the powers that be when you feel a certain player or group of players crosses past a clear line towards reality.

Regards,

Dafuzz

DK Metz
Amarr
Posted - 2004.07.27 08:21:00 - [21]
 

petition it, even thou ur a scumbag RL threats can and will not be tolerated, and by any meens if the meen that serious u just call most of the adult eve comunity and we will start hunt them down. INGAME WISE.

Chepe Nolon
Gallente
Inquest
Posted - 2004.07.27 09:00:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Miso

As has been discussed before, there is no such thing as ore theft in Eve. It doesn't exist. So when you take ore from a jetted can, there is nothing to steal. I don't understand how it is possible to steal from something that has been discarded.



Sorry, but most mining corps doesn't agree with you there. And there is no official statement on the legality of stealing ore.

Oretheft is a part of the game. So is being declared war upon if you are stupid enough to be in a player corp while stealing ore.

One of the corps that nicked some ore from us, got really upset when I told them that a war was immient since they took our ore. Then they started talking about when it was legal to take ore. But we told em that as long as we don't say you can take ore from us, stay away from our cans. Then they started complaining about a big corp like us taking on a newbie corp. I told them that they should think about that BEFORE they did something they knew was in the grey area.

The end of the story was that we got paid back what they took + a lot more for us not going to war against them.

Originally by: Miso

As regards to RL - petition, petition, petition. Anyone making RL threats to any players should be perma banned from the game. CCP need to clamp down harder on this.



Agreed. I don't have high thoughts about people that grabs ore from the cans of others without permission. But it's still part of the game. I think it's better getting robbed, than loosing a ship full of minerals to a 150km-from-the-sentry ganking squad.

Tenaj
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.07.27 09:01:00 - [23]
 

I'm refreshingly surprised at all these replies. Seems I've just encountered the occasional idiot and the vast majority are normal folk who can distinguish between the game and RL. Thank you.

Now then, If any of you mining in 0.5 and above would like a hand hauling, we'll get back to the role play, eh? Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

See you in space.....

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.07.27 09:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Chepe Nolon

Sorry, but most mining corps doesn't agree with you there. And there is no official statement on the legality of stealing ore.

Oretheft is a part of the game. So is being declared war upon if you are stupid enough to be in a player corp while stealing ore.

One of the corps that nicked some ore from us, got really upset when I told them that a war was immient since they took our ore. Then they started talking about when it was legal to take ore. But we told em that as long as we don't say you can take ore from us, stay away from our cans. Then they started complaining about a big corp like us taking on a newbie corp. I told them that they should think about that BEFORE they did something they knew was in the grey area.


This really has been done to death. Chepe, if you jet something from a can, its no longer yours, no matter what the purpose, and therefore fair game. It makes me laugh when people cry and complain about "ore theft" - why arent you using secure cans? Thats what they are for. If you mine into an unsecure can, you deserve to lose it. Anyway, i'm not gonna post on this again, as its a dumb argument.

M0RIARTY
Minmatar
Haita de lupi
Legiunea ROmana
Posted - 2004.07.27 09:54:00 - [25]
 

RL threats, racism and overly abusive language have no place and should not be tolerated in any game, let alone this one.
You should petition such actions to CCP immediately, CCP have an obligation to investigate such threats and take remedial action; IE ban that person from the game or if its particularly serious, pass all the information regarding the offence to the perpetrators local law enforcement agency.

Unfortunately, a minority of people, (of all ages), seem to be unable to differentiate their perception of in game and real life persona, they may understand that they are playing a game, but are unable to comprehend the idea of role-play.
Without going into too much psychobabble, you will usually find this type of person has few or no real life friends, is sociably inept or in a job where they feel undervalued and have little or no influence over their work.

What they do in game is to try and counterbalance their poor real life experiences by setting themselves up in a position of power and influence, this ambition is very often doomed to fail and so when faced with someone who thwarts this goal by killing their character, stealing their virtual possessions or just being a general threat to their in game success they tend to resort to ineffectual real life threats.

I could go on forever with this subject, but I wont drivel on any more except to say, if it happened to me I would track their sorry asses down and.......... er..... Embarassed

YARRRR!!


Joe Blob
Caldari
Total Warehouse Logistics
Posted - 2004.07.27 09:59:00 - [26]
 

Its what usually happens when someone had procured the services of Daddies credit card, is usually wider than they are tall, and couldnt find their way home let alone your house, much less be big enough to fight their way out of a paper bag.

Chepe Nolon
Gallente
Inquest
Posted - 2004.07.27 10:07:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Miso
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This really has been done to death. Chepe, if you jet something from a can, its no longer yours, no matter what the purpose, and therefore fair game. It makes me laugh when people cry and complain about "ore theft" - why arent you using secure cans? Thats what they are for. If you mine into an unsecure can, you deserve to lose it. Anyway, i'm not gonna post on this again, as its a dumb argument.



Then why the heck are cans tagged with corp tag, and coloured like it was corp property? I don't want to discuss this either. By our law it's reason enough to get on our KOS list. What other thinks ain't interesting at all. War has been declared for less.

(Jettisoning cans are like leaving a suitcase unattended. It's stupid. But the contents (and the suitcase) are still your property.)

FoRGyL
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
Posted - 2004.07.27 10:09:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Joe Blob
Its what usually happens when someone had procured the services of Daddies credit card, is usually wider than they are tall, and couldnt find their way home let alone your house, much less be big enough to fight their way out of a paper bag.


Laughing

HAHA..nice one!!


-out-

Dri Kulsane
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.07.27 10:13:00 - [29]
 

I'm sorry to hear that this happens to roleplayers, I admire what they take the time to do in giving live into the game Wink

Ryctor
Amarr Defence Initiative
Posted - 2004.07.27 10:27:00 - [30]
 



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