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Megan George
Posted - 2009.01.11 15:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Megan George on 11/01/2009 16:14:34
Taken from Iknota's BIO
"20009.01.10
I am very sorry for slacking on my teller duties for the last few days, but I have been have some very big real life problems. I need to re-evaluate what my priorities are in life, which may include playing much less of EVE. I'll let you know in the comming days what I plan to do."

with the posibility of you losing Iknots due to real life issues in the next few days what sort of effect will this pose to the integrity of D-bank and will the Bank be able to carry on as it currently is wih the loss of this member.
If Iknota does leve to sort out his personal issues are there any plans in place of bringing more people into D-bank to replace the role that was getting carried out or will the Bank carry on with a reduced workforce.

Any informatin regarding this situation whould be helpfull. I look forward to any replies

Nissan Sentra
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.11 16:06:00 - [2]
 

Where was this posted or said?

ksc1226
Posted - 2009.01.11 16:08:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Nissan Sentra
Where was this posted or said?


This is Iknota's bio.

Nissan Sentra
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.11 16:10:00 - [4]
 

Ah, ok thanx.

Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.11 20:45:00 - [5]
 

Yes DBANK will be fine. I will be able to pick up the slack left on the website and will most likely be hiring additional tellers soon.

I respect Iknota's decision to take time off or spend less time on EVE. I do hope that this ends up being temporary while he gets RL sorted out. I wish the best of luck to him.

Exec Order
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.11 21:39:00 - [6]
 

DBank has taken careful steps to ensure that there is no single point of failure in the bank’s systems and procedures, and I am confident that business will continue on as usual.

Iknota is certainly an important and valued member the Dynasty Banking Team, and he has played a key role in helping the bank to build a solid foundation. I, like Manalapan, both understand and respect Iknota's need to prioritize his time to focus on some RL stuff. He will definitely be missed until he is hopefully able to return.

My thanks, and best wishes to Iknota.

Exec Order
Dynasty Banking Director

Megan George
Posted - 2009.01.11 22:03:00 - [7]
 

thank you very much for the information you have given.


Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.12 01:55:00 - [8]
 

I would think an official post would be in order rather than using this thread. Also, that's a pretty bad way to find out if you ask me. Add it to your bio rather than make any official threads or have someone do it on your behalf? Not sure I understand that.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.01.12 02:45:00 - [9]
 

AC155, would you like it if the company you work for make an official announcement on their website that you quit?

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.12 03:19:00 - [10]
 

I don't see it as an issue. I don't think it needs it's own thread stating that the coder is considering retirement. He hasn't actually officially resigned just saying he might be a bit delayed in his actions.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.12 05:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 12/01/2009 05:07:07
Originally by: Brock Nelson
AC155, would you like it if the company you work for make an official announcement on their website that you quit?

If it was a publically traded company, or in this situation one of the two banks in eve, and I was an important part of the company, yes. In this situation, customers and potential customers have the right to know if he is leaving/taking a leave of absence.

Originally by: Ricdic
I don't see it as an issue. I don't think it needs it's own thread stating that the coder is considering retirement. He hasn't actually officially resigned just saying he might be a bit delayed in his actions.


Two Dbank employees have responded to this thread and have not denied anything, I would call that pretty close to official. Maybe it doesn't need its own thread but an official statement in this thread seems to be in order.

Edit: On the other hand, if nothing official has been decided upon then I can understand the lack of information provided(other than the two dbank employees posting and the information in his BIO).

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2009.01.12 05:34:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/01/2009 05:37:34
Quote:
If it was a publically traded company, or in this situation one of the two banks in eve, and I was an important part of the company, yes. In this situation, customers and potential customers have the right to know if he is leaving/taking a leave of absence.


Internet spaceships is serious business. Rolling Eyes

EDIT: To be slightly more constructive, the polite thing to do is what you explained. But you actually don't have the 'right' to anything, its a game ffs.

When I shut down Dusk Blade due to my own RL issues I didn't 'owe' any of my shareholders anything, nor did they have any 'right' to anything. However I saw it as a kindness more than anything rather than burn the bridges of those who left many a kind comment about me and my business during it's operation.

But to *expect* it and think it's your *right*? Jog on.

ksc1226
Posted - 2009.01.12 05:48:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/01/2009 05:37:34

EDIT: To be slightly more constructive, the polite thing to do is what you explained. But you actually don't have the 'right' to anything, its a game ffs.

When I shut down Dusk Blade due to my own RL issues I didn't 'owe' any of my shareholders anything, nor did they have any 'right' to anything. However I saw it as a kindness more than anything rather than burn the bridges of those who left many a kind comment about me and my business during it's operation.

But to *expect* it and think it's your *right*? Jog on.


Constructive? Well if this is constructive well.....why does any man have the right to anything? Hence we simply are living in the system we have created with certain assumptions and societal rules whether it be in RL or eve.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.01.12 05:51:00 - [14]
 

Kylar, its more of a smart thing to do than a kind thing to do. If you burn bridges with your investor without any explanation, what happens if you want to start another IPO/bond? Why would anyone invest in you after you burn bridges?

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2009.01.12 06:26:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/01/2009 06:28:30
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/01/2009 06:25:52
Quote:
Constructive? Well if this is constructive well.....why does any man have the right to anything? Hence we simply are living in the system we have created with certain assumptions and societal rules whether it be in RL or eve.


You'll have a right to something when you start paying my sub thanks.

Quote:
Kylar, its more of a smart thing to do than a kind thing to do. If you burn bridges with your investor without any explanation, what happens if you want to start another IPO/bond? Why would anyone invest in you after you burn bridges?

No, it's the kind thing to do.

Plenty of people have shown that being 'unkind' so to speak will get you ahead in leaps and bounds in-game. Being 'kind' is another way to do this. You *can* get ahead in leads and bounds being kind too, but it, like being unkind, doesn't have to translate to being 'smart'.

I still stand by my statement. Nobody has a *right* to *expect* any player to do anything in EVE, other than abide it's EULA.

While I run a risk making assumptions, D-Bank were probably aware of this, and as a courtesy the outgoing D-Banker probably put it in their bio as a 'kind' thing to do which wasn't necessarily 'smart', resulting in this thread. Someone spotted it and reported it, forcing the other D-Bank staffs uncoordinated response ahead of schedule. Good job on them tbqfh.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.13 04:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kylar Renpurs

EDIT: To be slightly more constructive, the polite thing to do is what you explained. But you actually don't have the 'right' to anything, its a game ffs.

When I shut down Dusk Blade due to my own RL issues I didn't 'owe' any of my shareholders anything, nor did they have any 'right' to anything. However I saw it as a kindness more than anything rather than burn the bridges of those who left many a kind comment about me and my business during it's operation.

But to *expect* it and think it's your *right*? Jog on.


RIGHTS

Rights are legal or moral entitlements or permissions. Rights are of vital importance in theories of justice and deontological ethics.

Deontological ethics or deontology is an approach to ethics that focuses on the rightness or wrongness of intentions or motives behind action such as respect for rights, duties, or principles, as opposed to the rightness or wrongness of the consequences of those actions.


Some interesting info in the above link and a new big word to add to my vocab.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.01.13 05:37:00 - [17]
 

Iknota is going to be less active, it has nothing to do with DBank. If you feel your money is threatened withdraw. End of story.

Now go spam another thread with nonsense AC.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2009.01.13 06:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Super Whopper
Iknota is going to be less active, it has nothing to do with DBank. If you feel your money is threatened withdraw. End of story.
Perhaps it is me but AC155 never said anything about increased risk at dBank. So:
Originally by: Super Whopper
Now go spam another thread with nonsense AC Super Whopper.
I fixed it for you.

Tourim
Posted - 2009.01.13 08:39:00 - [19]
 

It might be safe as ever. But I'm waiting for a withdrawal since quite sometime (yes more then 48H). As a customer I would have been happy to get a massage from dbank telling me that they have a problem and would come back to me asap. It is no option to count on the customers searching the forums.
But it shows furthermore that it does make a deal. They don't have the situation in control. And again I'm not saying that the money is not safe.
For me that situation has shown a problem in the concept of dbank. The system should have taken into account that one person might get sick or drop out on short notice.

Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.01.13 13:20:00 - [20]
 

If they only had one teller then absolutely there should have been notification on their website. I was under the impression DBANK had a few tellers by now so others could pick up the slack when out was unavailable?

From the above post I would suggest this should be sorted asap by DBANK staff. (Someone pick up the book and action them, it doesn't matter who). Not making it happen goes completely against what the DBANK staff have said regarding this issue having no effect on operational status.

Nothing against you guys at all. If you have time to post in these forums about the issue, you have time to action the resolution. I am speaking from a non-competitor perspective btw hence why I haven't mentioned my affiliations.

amarrcommander
Posted - 2009.01.13 14:31:00 - [21]
 

Scam!!! I have been waiting for 4 days now for my withdrawl as well. Starting to think DBANK is taking our isk and running.

Rebecca Tang
Posted - 2009.01.13 15:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: amarrcommander
Scam!!! I have been waiting for 4 days now for my withdrawl as well. Starting to think DBANK is taking our isk and running.


not tried withdrawing isk yet from d-bank but i have over 25bill isk tied up with them.

Lexander Morinex
Caldari
LDD Investments
Posted - 2009.01.13 16:00:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 13/01/2009 16:00:20
I have been out of the loop for a few days, between dissertation work, taking care of a sick wife, and spending time with family.

I don't have any updates on the Iknota situation. I hadn't even heard about it until I read this post. I know that DBANK is not designed to be just Iknota, and last month was quite profitable.

As for the 'scam' issues, I can't address those directly. As far as I know, DBANK is still up and running and continues to operate. Just a few days ago I was given complete API records for internal auditing purposes and when I have parsed through those I will either give my signoff on them or report any issues.

Unsurprisingly, all of us have lives and sometimes we aren't able to stay on top of things like we like. I will check in with management today and send any updates I happen to have at that time.

- Lexander Morinex


Rebecca Tang
Posted - 2009.01.13 16:02:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lexander Morinex
Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 13/01/2009 16:00:20
I have been out of the loop for a few days, between dissertation work, taking care of a sick wife, and spending time with family.

I don't have any updates on the Iknota situation. I hadn't even heard about it until I read this post. I know that DBANK is not designed to be just Iknota, and last month was quite profitable.

As for the 'scam' issues, I can't address those directly. As far as I know, DBANK is still up and running and continues to operate. Just a few days ago I was given complete API records for internal auditing purposes and when I have parsed through those I will either give my signoff on them or report any issues.

Unsurprisingly, all of us have lives and sometimes we aren't able to stay on top of things like we like. I will check in with management today and send any updates I happen to have at that time.

- Lexander Morinex




thanks

amarrcommander
Posted - 2009.01.13 16:17:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lexander Morinex
Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 13/01/2009 16:00:20
I have been out of the loop for a few days, between dissertation work, taking care of a sick wife, and spending time with family.

I don't have any updates on the Iknota situation. I hadn't even heard about it until I read this post. I know that DBANK is not designed to be just Iknota, and last month was quite profitable.

As for the 'scam' issues, I can't address those directly. As far as I know, DBANK is still up and running and continues to operate. Just a few days ago I was given complete API records for internal auditing purposes and when I have parsed through those I will either give my signoff on them or report any issues.

Unsurprisingly, all of us have lives and sometimes we aren't able to stay on top of things like we like. I will check in with management today and send any updates I happen to have at that time.

- Lexander Morinex




In other words we are collecting more isk yet but not doing any withdrawls so that my take can be bigger with this fake audit?

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.13 16:19:00 - [26]
 

My post about rights was in response to Kylar Renpurs' reply to my original posting. I've never said I thought Dbank was in trouble or made any comments that could be misconstrued. I was referring to the method of communication used to update dbank customers. Please refrain from attempting to troll by putting words into my mouth. I've always been a Big Mac fan anyways, whoppers suck.

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.01.13 16:21:00 - [27]
 

I agree with AC155. If you're dealing with a lot of public cash, you should be more transparent. Giving more information rather than less is always great customer service.

Either way I hope DBANK can continue operations without any hiccups. I like that the banking industry (what little of it there is) has at least two competing corporations.

Exec Order
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:19:00 - [28]
 

Dynasty Banking has been operating with two tellers until now, Manalapan and Iknota. Based on the Bank’s growth, the board had decided to add additional tellers to the team early this year and has been working on the associated procedures and controls. We were quite comfortable that with two tellers the Bank could manage its current deposit/withdrawal activity in a timely manner. Unfortunately Iknota’s situation caught everyone by surprise, and it has put quite a workload on Manalapan from a teller perspective. He has been processing many withdrawals and is doing his best to work through the backlog. I was on-line with him for quite some time yesterday as he was processing transactions. We hope and expect that he will be able to catch up in the near future.

The bank is solvent and we have more than enough cash to process any withdrawal requests, although unfortunately we may not be able to process all the transactions as quickly as we would normally be able to do so. In addition to the normal day-to-day transactions, as you might imagine, this post and Iknota’s BIO message have resulted in a flood of additional requests. Smile

Iknota’s exact future status is still not known, and we are respecting his time to work through what he needs to do. However, in light of that, Manalapan and I have accelerated the plan to bring on additional tellers and have been interviewing for new tellers and expect to have them up and running in the next week or so. We have some final back office things to get in place and some training to provide before they are ready to start processing transactions. Our primary concern is making sure that the Bank’s assets (your deposits) are secure as we bring on new staff to process transactions.

Again, on behalf of the Bank, I apologize for any inconvenience that any of our customers might be experiencing. We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through the current situation. The December Bank report will be released soon (release has been delayed because of this as well), but I think you will see once it is released that overall the Bank, and your deposits, are in good shape.

I do also agree with several of you that we need to do a better job of communicating with our customers about this situation and will look into getting an informational post on our website in addition to this forum.

Exec Order
Dynasty Banking Director

Lexander Morinex
Caldari
LDD Investments
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:19:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: amarrcommander
Originally by: Lexander Morinex
Edited by: Lexander Morinex on 13/01/2009 16:00:20
I have been out of the loop for a few days, between dissertation work, taking care of a sick wife, and spending time with family.

I don't have any updates on the Iknota situation. I hadn't even heard about it until I read this post. I know that DBANK is not designed to be just Iknota, and last month was quite profitable.

As for the 'scam' issues, I can't address those directly. As far as I know, DBANK is still up and running and continues to operate. Just a few days ago I was given complete API records for internal auditing purposes and when I have parsed through those I will either give my signoff on them or report any issues.

Unsurprisingly, all of us have lives and sometimes we aren't able to stay on top of things like we like. I will check in with management today and send any updates I happen to have at that time.

- Lexander Morinex




In other words we are collecting more isk yet but not doing any withdrawls so that my take can be bigger with this fake audit?


Let me address this point specifically. My task is 'internal auditing', which is about internal risk management. An external audit will need to be performed within a few months at the latest. No internal auditing process could prove that DBANK is not a scam.

I have basically been taking on the task of improving DBANK internal procedures. One part of that process is to review the internal API records to verify that things are in fact going as well as I have been told.

I don't have access to the money. That is deliberate, and represents my view that there should be at least one group within DBANK that is focused on verifying the efforts of the money managers.

I am personally concerned if there have been delays in withdrawing money. That is obviously a concern with regards to 'scam'. So what I basically said I am going to do is take a look at the API records and run them through statistical analysis to detect any irregularities. If I find them, I will make public note of that immediately.

I work with DBANK, but I am not going to grow rich off the operation. Frankly, a bunch of ISK is just about worthless to me, particularly ISK generated through scamming.

So it all depends on whether you trust what I say. If you don't, then I completely understand. But I figured given the concerns voiced here I would make note of what I am aware of and inform people.

- Lexander Morinex

Nissan Sentra
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.13 22:03:00 - [30]
 

I have sent instant messages and e-mails to both founders of D-Bank.

I spoke with Iknota today and he assured me that all with-drawels will be handled asap. Also, I was assured that he will be making a post this evening concerning this turn of events.

NS


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