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Lexus666
Caldari
Anathema Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 17:26:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Attrael
Just stay out of empire space. You gave up the privilege to enter empire space long ago by your actions. So, to be blunt, you don't belong there and the sentries are just telling you to get lost. Razz


That keyboard thing you use like such a ******, please throw it away!

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 17:38:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
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...and regardless of how much fun a few of you may be having watching us anguish in boredom, it's lame
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Shocked Do carebears get to use that excuse when you pwn them without cause?

"regardless of how much fun a few of you [pirates] may be abing watching us anguish [at our unprovoked death], it's lame."

Laughing

I agree it's unbalanced, let's leave it at that. Wink

BobGhengisKhan
Dashavatara
Posted - 2004.07.27 17:40:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 17:42:56
There's a huge difference between a game mechanic to prevent players from moving, and actual competition between people in my mind

Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad

You can bring escorts to fight pirates, you can watch your routes, you can do many things, but sentries always hit, and they do a lot of damage


But yeah, I suppose I set myself up for that one.

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 17:41:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Lexus666
That keyboard thing you use like such a ******, please throw it away!


Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Laughing

Poor noob. I almost pity him. Cool

Lexus666
Caldari
Anathema Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 18:23:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Attrael
Originally by: Lexus666
That keyboard thing you use like such a ******, please throw it away!


Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Laughing

Poor noob. I almost pity him. Cool


Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums!

As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry!

Hava a nice day now y'hear.

Strider oTO
Posted - 2004.07.27 19:04:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Strider oTO on 27/07/2004 19:07:22
I think the best and only solution to the problem is to have reactions of NPC ships/stations/sentrys to be based on your standing with the individual groups. For example, I am minmatar and i decide to start attacking certain Amarrian ships, I will start to get a negative sec rating. Instead, they should only give me a negative sec with Amarr itself. So anytime I decide to head into amarrian space, I am free game for Amarr security and sentry guns. Back in Minmatar space, or any other space for that matter, why should they care? THere's no alliances right? So there is no reason for the guns to shoot me unless I make an agressive act against the group who's space i am currently in. This solves the problems with docking at certain stations too. You have a bad sec with a certain group, you cant enter their station. NPC or player character should be treated the same. And negative sec should only be applied if you strike someone first within 0.5 sec or higher space. .4 and lower should be free space.

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 19:17:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Lexus666
Wonderful comeback, but seriously who the hell are you and unless you have anything constructive to say, STFU and keep off the forums!

As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry!

Hava a nice day now y'hear.


Awwww... dids I upset da poor widdle noobee? I'm sowwy widdle noobee. I won't make you cwy any more, widdle noobee. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Tanador
Posted - 2004.07.27 19:24:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Lexus666
Originally by: Attrael
Originally by: Lexus666
That keyboard thing you use like such a ******, please throw it away!


Silence peasant! You weren't given permission to speak, worm! Laughing

Poor noob. I almost pity him. Cool




As for me being a n00b...Don't think so, you're nowhere near half the player I am. But I bet you beat me hands down at Veldspar mining and general f4ggotry!




Its comments like this from the 1% that gives the other 99% of mOo a bad rep to alot of people. Why dont you think about someone or something other than yourself when posting, please.

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 19:36:00 - [69]
 

What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2004.07.27 19:50:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Attrael
What rest of mOo? Word is, they broke up long ago and are but a shadow of their former selves with just a few stragglers left behind.



Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss. Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Rolling Eyes

Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing.

You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness.

Except,

by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine.

YARGH YARRRR!!

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:01:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss.


Having 70 inactive members doesn't count ****-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more.

Originally by: DigitalCommunist

Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Rolling Eyes

Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing.

You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness.



And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC.

Originally by: DigitalCommunist

Except,

by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine.

YARGH YARRRR!!


So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

muggle
Caldari
HAPPY LITTLE ELVES
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:25:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Percivs
Originally by: muggle
Come on CCP fix this. Itís bad enough that I canít help my corp mates when there attacked without getting hit by the sentry guns. Then you make it so we canít even defend ourselves? Tell us this is a bug and when itís fixed! Iím so sick of having to find out all your changes out on my own. You canít even shoot at a gang mate without being flagged now, if youíre an under -5 outlaw. If youíre just doing away with being an outlaw let me know now so I can cancel my account. To all you carebears who think being a pirate is easy try it sometime. .04 to .01 under systems arenít suppose to be safe.


Let's just put it in historical perspective. I was around during the time of the beta and shortly after the game went live, griefing occurred in Empire, which is the reason that the nerfs were put in to place. Zombies chaining CONCORD, my gawd Rolling Eyes So there were four progressive changes made to nerf the danger level in Empire. And people have been complaining ever since about the Carebears.

Of course .1-.4 is supposed to be dangerous, but it's not supposed to be suicide. And presently, it is suicide for a newb in 0.0. (As it is supposed to be). But that just means taht .1-.4 should be between the safety of Empire and the risk of deep space.

I imagine it must chap you raw to know that there are other people who are out there today, griefing in 0.0 space, but keeping their high security raiting. ugh


No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out.

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:29:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
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Vs players you have a chance, vs the system all you can do is stare blankly and get mad
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Well, truth be told, not everyone has a chance. I am uber n00b at PvP presently. So, for me, all I can do "is stare blankly and get mad." Laughing

I get to learn a lot about Insurance though and cloning though. ugh

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:31:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Attrael
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Having 70 inactive members doesn't count ****-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more.
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Someone needs a spanking from the mods Shocked

Percivs
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:32:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: muggle
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No I love my low security status. They should make it where you get a security status hit in 0.0 for killing someone. Then all you in the closet pirates would have to come out.


Hell ya I agree with you ugh

/me laughs at self humor

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2004.07.27 20:50:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Attrael
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Omg, 73 members, as compared with <25 before, with pretty much all the original players playing, even Gauss.


Having 70 inactive members doesn't count ****-for-brains. And in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out, 'inactive' means players and their alts that don't log in any more.

Originally by: DigitalCommunist

Yeah, "word is" your IQ never reached double digits. Rolling Eyes

Please keep your idiotic remarks out of my thread. Personally I'd like to hear a response from Oveur or something in a blog on the role of pirates in empire. At least I can trust him not to carebear the whole thing.

You guys think its so great now that you have basically 0.1 to 1.0 all to yourselves, oh man, just you wait. One day you're gonna grow wee lil balls, and decide to come out to 0.0 and put up your lil POS tent for a campout in the wilderness.



And 'word is' that you're the corp pu$$y, so I'd watch my mouth if I were you, lest you wind up getting hurt. I just hate having to waste ammo on helpless noobs, so it's in both our interests if you shut up, unplug your keyboard, and pour coffee into the back of your PC.

Originally by: DigitalCommunist

Except,

by then CCP have made NPC Pirate stations refuse your dock, since you have POS. You've lost the ability to safespot due to black ops. You've lost the ability to see whats on the map.. Heh heh, now you're in our turf baby. And boy, we'll make sure your next dozen clones still feel the pain of having a control tower shoved up where the sun don't shine.

YARGH YARRRR!!


So... Stop giving your great grandfather a bl0wjob and bring it on, pu$$y! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you..

As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again.

Keep the thread on topic

Joe Blob
Caldari
Total Warehouse Logistics
Posted - 2004.07.27 21:04:00 - [77]
 

For all those who think these changes are great

First CCP came for the Pirates,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Pirate.
Then they came for the Manufacturers,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Manufacturer.
Then they came for the Mission Runners,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.


Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945.


It will happen this way, and you will be sorry.

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 21:18:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Percivs
Someone needs a spanking from the mods Shocked


Heh, the mods are my servants, silly! Cool

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 21:19:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Wow, you being in an alt manufacturing corp would know all about who is active and how many alts we have, kudos to you..

As for your other moronic comments, pure trolling. Considering your corp description I wouldn't be too surprised if you were just some disgruntled PA lackey. I'd be quiet if I were you, lest we "bring it on" again.

Keep the thread on topic


R O F L ! ! ! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Crylon
Posted - 2004.07.27 21:43:00 - [80]
 

Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication.

Attrael
Caldari
Axemaker Inc
Posted - 2004.07.27 21:45:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Crylon
Attrael.. terminate your worthless existence without further delay, you victim of mis-prescribed medication.


LOL! That's actually funny! I'll have to remember that one for use in future posting! Laughing

Claus
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 23:27:00 - [82]
 

Sounds logical -- -5 is fair game -- firing on one never makes u flagged -- firing on the guy firing on you will. In short, it is part of playing the ebil character.

Claus
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.07.27 23:33:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Claus on 27/07/2004 23:34:49
Originally by: Joe Blob
For all those who think these changes are great

First CCP came for the Pirates,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Pirate.
Then they came for the Manufacturers,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasnít a Manufacturer.
Then they came for the Mission Runners,
and I didnít speak up, because I wasn't a Mission Runner.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.


Adaptation of poem by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945.


It will happen this way, and you will be sorry.



First they came for the pirates
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a pirate
Then they came for the griefers
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a griefer
Then they came for the scammers
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a scammer

In short, I don't speak out as my playing the game is not focused on ruining other people's gameplay (except stopping them ruining mine).

CCP Oveur

Posted - 2004.07.28 13:42:00 - [84]
 

It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how YARRRR!! or ugh you are.

muggle
Caldari
HAPPY LITTLE ELVES
Posted - 2004.07.28 13:56:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: muggle on 28/07/2004 13:57:39
Originally by: Oveur
It's a bug, being reproduced and will get fixed. You should always be able to respond to aggression no matter how YARRRR!! or ugh you are.


Thanks for posting Oveur! Very Happy

EvilDoomer
Caldari
Battlestars
Posted - 2004.07.28 18:46:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Miss Take
Yep. seen it myself and it blows.

CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap.




Signed...
This is bull ****. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you.
If not this is bull and should be reversed.
Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you.

GMAFB!!!!!
thats Stupid and dumb.
Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops.
Where is the freedom and chance to have fun.

your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun.

W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
Posted - 2004.07.28 22:54:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: EvilDoomer
Originally by: Miss Take
Yep. seen it myself and it blows.

CCP please fix this, if it is meant to be a feature then its crap.




Signed...
This is bull ****. You shoot me first I should beable to return fire and kill you.
If not this is bull and should be reversed.
Imagine! you in a mall I shoot you. You have gun. you return fire. and the cops kill you.

GMAFB!!!!!
thats Stupid and dumb.
Comeon programmers get real its bad enought that ever gate in eve has cops in it. And every place now in empire space has cops.
Where is the freedom and chance to have fun.

your creating the perfect you cannot shoot anyone world. Not realistic and never going to be fun.




oveur answered already, read above your post- it's a bug thankfully.


Sinist
Gallente
Extremists
Posted - 2004.07.28 23:54:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Sentries now recognize criminally flagged players, so you cant go near a sentry or jump out after you shoot someone in a belt like before.

BUT

what they failed to mention is that now if you are -5.0 or under, and someone shoots you, you CANNOT defend yourself in return. Before you could shoot back in self defense, now if you so much as open fire, you get flagged and shot up by sentries, AND the guy who opened fire on you.

Personally, I think thats bull, and negates any chance of pvp if the guy is just gonna redock or jump, but you know.. I'm sure some wiseass will come on here telling me how its all smart and fair and totally thought out.

Have fun, and keep this ninja-stealth-change in mind Shocked


Why do the pirates think they are entitled over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to be able to fly in empire space?

When you choose the life of a pirate you have to adapt and deal. Just like the non pirates have to adapt by not shooting anyone unprovoked.

Deal with it and end this pitiful pirate woe is me.

Paw Sandberg
Gallente
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2004.07.29 03:55:00 - [89]
 

alot of very reasonable things was said in this thread

Pirates should have half subscription

the thread was locked by Eris Discordia of ISD and although i feel that locking the thread due to a few imature peoble are wrong i know i can do nothing about that

anyway there is some real good sugestions in that threads and some real good points

atleast this sentry thingy is a bug however that does not change the fact that Players with a negative sec rating towards (for instanse) Serpentis can still use their stations this makes no sense what so ever

anyway read the posts in there and quote what peoble say there and make your opinion here

Mongo peck said

Urm I think we need to stop talking about "us and them" .... after all yesterdays carebear, could be todays ganker.


Criminal flagging was designed to "hopefully" allow people to repay an unprovoked attack (ship, cargo can etc etc).

The problem with the "NEW" sentry upgrades is that it is forcing the people you want to hunt to sit at safe spots totally out of reach. This upsets the attackers due to the fact he / she has to sit around for 15-20 mins but it also upsets the hunters due to the fact that most criminal flagged people are now "out of their reach" sitting in safe spots.

There a lots of good suggestions in this thread but the solution installed by CCP is not one of them. If someone shots at me / my can I want to be able to hunt them down and not watch them vanish while they wait for a timer to expire..

Just my two cents

thats a real good point to me atleast especiallyt the us and them part I have said it before try playing E&B or ask someone how good that game was this was a game that did not allow ANY type of PvP is that really what we want from EVE QuestionQuestion



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