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Vekoslav
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:04:00 - [1]
 

Ok so character A buys isk. I scam character A out of said isk via contracts. Will I be eventually punished for this when CCP go down the line to see who ended up with the dirty money?

Situation does include a chat log after which the contract was accepted and character A scammed.

This got me thinking after a few suspicious characters contacted me simotaniously who were blatent ISK farmers - with names like; Unfusd, iahsdf ETC. I certainly avoided these characters though.

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:09:00 - [2]
 

Depends on CCP, you may or may not get your wallet red blinking.

If it's deemed as a "trasnfer of illegal isk" then you should expect some reverse trasnfer from GMs

Ramjam Giles
the united
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:11:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Ramjam Giles on 10/01/2009 14:10:58
what he said

Vekoslav
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:12:00 - [4]
 

I dont think thats fair to be honest, is it disputable? Its idiots like this who buy their isk who fall for these scams in the first place.

Anyway it hasnt happened yet I would just be upset if it did a few months down the line...

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vekoslav
I dont think thats fair


Welcome to EVE

Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:31:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Morgan La''Chance on 10/01/2009 14:31:47
Petition and ask the GMs. You will most likely lose it, but this way you can do it without getting a mark on your account as an ISK buyer.

Pontet Canet
Amarr
en primeur
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:32:00 - [7]
 

Cover your arse. Petition it now. If they look into it and find nothing you can spend the isk.

Master Jeeves
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:38:00 - [8]
 

Give me the isk.

Rilwar
BlackStar Industrial
Posted - 2009.01.10 18:35:00 - [9]
 

LAUNDER TAHT ISKIES>

Jon Rocks
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.01.10 19:18:00 - [10]
 

Well, all "bought" isk buys something eventually..

State Security
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.12 08:45:00 - [11]
 

yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"

Tefkros
The Bold and the Beautiful
Posted - 2009.01.12 09:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


Behold the misguided and bitter individual, that has lost the ability to distinguish life from lie, material from immaterial, important from meaningless, and laws from EULA (which he didnīt even bother to read).

Are you writing on the forums of the right game, son?

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2009.01.12 09:20:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"

Hey look! Someone who can't deferentiate between game play they don't like and game play that is against the rules. Sure don't see those very often.
[/sarcasm]

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.01.12 09:23:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"

ugh

Settle down.

Kirra Liu
Serenity Rising.
Posted - 2009.01.12 10:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


If I lie to someone in a game I will go to hell?

Bugger, I knew I shouldn't have said I was an astronaut when folks asked me what I do for a living Shocked

Sully Bhain
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.12 11:05:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Sully Bhain on 12/01/2009 11:06:40
Originally by: Vekoslav
Ok so character A buys isk. I scam character A out of said isk via contracts. Will I be eventually punished for this when CCP go down the line to see who ended up with the dirty money?

Situation does include a chat log after which the contract was accepted and character A scammed.

This got me thinking after a few suspicious characters contacted me simotaniously who were blatent ISK farmers - with names like; Unfusd, iahsdf ETC. I certainly avoided these characters though.



I read that as, " I have a plan to use an alt to buy illegal isk. If I try to launder that isk by setting up fake contract scams will CCP be able to spot my cunning plan and remove my illegally purchased isk even if I offer faked chatlogs between my two alts to throw them off the trail"

The answer is yes.

Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.12 12:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


The only scamming that's a bannable offense is (real) timecard scamming. Get out, go away.

Irish Blend
Posted - 2009.01.12 12:53:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Irish Blend on 12/01/2009 12:55:03
Take advantage of all of the CCP sponsored programs to make another account, and make a trade account. Put your trade alt, research alt and jump clone alts on it, then train them all up to have R&D agents and then starbase defense. Put that account to some good use.

Sell all of your items to that account. Have it do all of your contracts, trades etc...Don't even put it in the same corp. Register it with your Mom's name and at different physical address.

Then when CCP goes after someone, it goes after that char or account.

Of course, they can see IP address, so they could track it down to you.

In the end, you will get burned anyway, frustrated with CCP, and shut down the previous service you offered to people for free, got tips via ISK, that ISk comes from someone who bought it, and we all cry a little, we all laugh a little.

Its the futility of mankind attitude that you have to have when dealing with CCP on issues like this. Don't got for common sense or fairness - go for the futility of existance, and have a cold, dry, humorless viking laugh in your beer over it.

MarieFrance Tessier
Posted - 2009.01.12 21:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


The only scamming that's a bannable offense is (real) timecard scamming. Get out, go away.


(Well, and Character trade scamming, but yea).

In any case, if you log in from the same computer and "scam" yourself from purchased ISK, I'm sure CCP will find out regardless.

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2009.01.12 22:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

5/5 lols

Nakimoto
Caldari
Unnatural Growth
OUTWORLD SYNDICATE
Posted - 2009.01.12 22:34:00 - [21]
 

back to subject....I would petition it claiming a legit scam in contracts over purchased isk laundry. CCP will follow the money trail and any iffy isk transfers like way over priced t1 modules would most certianly cause them to look at you a bit closer. Especially troubling if they did it across a few of your scams.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.01.13 00:23:00 - [22]
 

Sounds like clever talk for "I want to buy isk but don't want CCP to take it away".

Malephar
Posted - 2009.01.13 00:26:00 - [23]
 

One of my alts once got a free billion off some stupid git who bought a single light missile off me for that price, presumably whilst trying to launder the money.

I just kept it, and posted on forums about it... lots of people whined that I must petition it. I didn't bother. I still have it. So, ignore the tards who're just trying to get you to lose out on your good fortune.

=]

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.13 04:59:00 - [24]
 

I always wanted to go to Ingunn and try and scam them out of navy megathrons, I was thinking something like [Want to Buy]Megathron Navy Issue 300mil each, and then have an item transtation 300mil for 10 navy megathrons.

hawks slave
Posted - 2009.01.20 11:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Vekoslav
Ok so character A buys isk. I scam character A out of said isk via contracts. Will I be eventually punished for this when CCP go down the line to see who ended up with the dirty money?

Situation does include a chat log after which the contract was accepted and character A scammed.

This got me thinking after a few suspicious characters contacted me simotaniously who were blatent ISK farmers - with names like; Unfusd, iahsdf ETC. I certainly avoided these characters though.


umm you could stop sucking and quit scamming.

Jogvan
NibbleTek
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.01.20 12:34:00 - [26]
 

If you scam a isk buyer all that should happen is that the buyer loses the amount of isk he bought when/if its discovered by GMs. If you scam a isk seller however they might remove it if they believe you have bought the isk and just used the "scam" to transfer the isk.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.01.20 14:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: State Security
yeah...petition it, that'll go well...

"Officer! I lied and cheated those guys over there out of millions not knowing they had just stolen the cash from that Bank...can I keep the money?"

oh and seriously? I'm the only one who's finding the humor in this that a scamer may loose his account over this sometime?

Wow, what happens when you die for real? I'd love to hear that...

St.Peter "Oh hi there! Welcome to the Gates of Heaven. Just some paperwork to do before you go in...let's see here, good...very nice family...oh, excellent, pulled him out of that fire huh? very good...two years in the Peace Corps, great...wait, what's this here? You lied and cheated people HOW many times?? I'm very sorry." pulls lever opening trap door "NEXT!"


If I lie to someone in a game I will go to hell?

Bugger, I knew I shouldn't have said I was an astronaut when folks asked me what I do for a living Shocked


Pft never mind that, I'm now trying to work out a way to commit adultery in EvE within the EULA terms.


Allahs Warrior
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.01.20 17:17:00 - [28]
 

Okay, so you're saying you hope you can clean the isk of an isk buyer by staging a scam?

Agor Dirdonen
Posted - 2009.01.24 13:28:00 - [29]
 

Don't need special things to launder bought isk.... use EBANK

* Buy money with new char, separate account
* Transfer to EBANK
* out of game, out of reach by CCP, transfer money on EBANK website from isk-buying-char to 'real' char
* withdraw isk from EBANK back into the game on 'real' char

transactions done on EBANK website are out of reach of CCP so the only thing they can do is put your isk-buying-char in the negatives at which moment you simply terminate the char, the account and start a new one with GTC's.

Maguff
silly fruitcake
Posted - 2009.01.24 13:46:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Maguff on 24/01/2009 13:46:26
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Don't need special things to launder bought isk.... use EBANK

* Buy money with new char, separate account
* Transfer to EBANK
* out of game, out of reach by CCP, transfer money on EBANK website from isk-buying-char to 'real' char
* withdraw isk from EBANK back into the game on 'real' char

transactions done on EBANK website are out of reach of CCP so the only thing they can do is put your isk-buying-char in the negatives at which moment you simply terminate the char, the account and start a new one with GTC's.


so what about when GMs contact the EBANK staff and ask where the money trace is going?:P sounds in theori as a good idea. but just a little work from ccp and all the work is for nothing:p

also u shouldnt approve isk buying.


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