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Juelia Wolf
Caldari
SOTI Inc.
Napalm Sticks To Kids
Posted - 2008.12.29 04:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Juelia Wolf on 29/12/2008 04:42:33

my bad hit enter too early.

My question is for all those mission runners out there.

Do you salvage AND loot everything in your mission?

I like to, but i find i run out of cargo room if i pickup loot so ive just been collecting salvage.

Until i recently got myself a salvage / loot ship.

What i do now is blow everything up, then run back in before turning in the mission so the deadspace gates etc dont de-spawn and i grab everything up.


How do you guys do it?

Kadoes Khan
Posted - 2008.12.29 04:52:00 - [2]
 

Before I got my Golem I didn't, it just wasn't worthwhile.

Once I did get the Golem I tractor everything to me and get it in a nice big ball and loot as much as I can while I kill everything else, once done I bookmark and come back in a salvage boat and if there is anything left to loot I do then salvage everything. It's a lot faster when everything is already within 5km for salvaging, plus the cargo room of the marauder is very nice so it can loot up most missions without problems.

Lauranthasala
Posted - 2008.12.29 04:57:00 - [3]
 

I only salvage/loot sansha (for melted cap) and angels (for the trit bars). Otherwise, I can be arsed to deal with it. Especially those godawful guristas!

Arkeladin
Posted - 2008.12.29 05:45:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lauranthasala
I only salvage/loot sansha (for melted cap) and angels (for the trit bars). Otherwise, I can be arsed to deal with it. Especially those godawful guristas!


Whatm, you think that Ward Consoles are worthless? :)

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2008.12.29 05:50:00 - [5]
 

I loot salvage everything. I find that loot and salvage gives just as much, if not more ISK than the bounties and reward.

(I do leave the odd spider drone or cargo container from a sentry gun if it is too far away).

Plus, loot and salvage lets me play industrialist a little, even if I only have combat skills, I get ot ship stuff to market :D

Hobbes277
Posted - 2008.12.29 06:56:00 - [6]
 

I loot/salvage about half my missions (some just arnt worth the time).

Main reason I do this is not for ISK, it so I can make any rig I want whernever I want it.

So if I want to rig an IBIS (which I've done) its no big deal.

BigJohnG
Posted - 2008.12.29 10:33:00 - [7]
 

Hi,

It depends. When i am working on standing, i want to finish as much missions as possible in the least amount of time and don't loot. When i just want to make money, i loot and salvage everything.
I use a Catalyst as "looter" before i end the mission. It has 8 high slots. So with 4 traction beams and 4 salvagers you clean up a gate fast. And with some extenders you have a cargohold of more then 800 m3.

Kaldoreign
Caldari
CNexus
Posted - 2008.12.29 11:47:00 - [8]
 

When you salvage mission, jettison an item and fill that cargo container with loot... tractor it and pull it around, when you collect everything just come back with an industrial and take it to station.
You can save much time this way if there is a lot of big loot, like armor plates, repairers, cap boosters etc.

Kurull Skullsplitter
Minmatar
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Posted - 2008.12.29 14:19:00 - [9]
 

I think you may find it faster to Bookmark a wreck in each gate of the mission and turn the mission in and then return to the bookmarked wrecks with your salvage ship. Instead of leaving the gates in place and flying back through the mission for them.

My preference except when raising standings quickly has been to salvage and loot. I enjoy the game more when I do some manufacturing and sales instead of just missions. (When my skills were lower I just sold the stuff on the market before I could manufacture).

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.29 14:38:00 - [10]
 

As a successful Ninja Salvager, I provide a couple of pointers.

The longer you are in your Mission Deadspace, the better chance that a Ninja Salvager has to enter your Mission to salvage (and possibly loot) the wrecks. The idea, above, to tractor a can and fill it up is a good one, as long as you have some sort of 'backup' if a Ninja Salvager enters your Mission while you're doing it. Nothing would be worse than going to all of the trouble of grouping all of your loot into one can, only to warp out and have a Ninja take it all.

Remember, speed is the most important part of salvaging, and that's why I always employ the fastest frig/interceptor in my work. (Sure, if you're looting, the max you can go without watching your tractored jetcan go out of range is 500m/s, but it works.)

In your specific situation, once you've blown the wrecks, fit up a small frig with a tractor and salvage/loot the Mission as quickly as you can. If you get into trouble (i.e. a Ninja comes in and gets a little too close to your loot can) try and have some PvP backup from your Corp (get in a Corp) and get as much of the expensive loot into your cargo as possible. There's a good chance the Ninja is also in a ship without a great cargo capacity, so if you keep as much of the 'expensive' loot in your hold, and fill the can with the other stuff, you won't lose too much if the Ninja decides to steal it.

Juelia Wolf
Caldari
SOTI Inc.
Napalm Sticks To Kids
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
As a successful Ninja Salvager, I provide a couple of pointers.

The longer you are in your Mission Deadspace, the better chance that a Ninja Salvager has to enter your Mission to salvage (and possibly loot) the wrecks. The idea, above, to tractor a can and fill it up is a good one, as long as you have some sort of 'backup' if a Ninja Salvager enters your Mission while you're doing it. Nothing would be worse than going to all of the trouble of grouping all of your loot into one can, only to warp out and have a Ninja take it all.

Remember, speed is the most important part of salvaging, and that's why I always employ the fastest frig/interceptor in my work. (Sure, if you're looting, the max you can go without watching your tractored jetcan go out of range is 500m/s, but it works.)

In your specific situation, once you've blown the wrecks, fit up a small frig with a tractor and salvage/loot the Mission as quickly as you can. If you get into trouble (i.e. a Ninja comes in and gets a little too close to your loot can) try and have some PvP backup from your Corp (get in a Corp) and get as much of the expensive loot into your cargo as possible. There's a good chance the Ninja is also in a ship without a great cargo capacity, so if you keep as much of the 'expensive' loot in your hold, and fill the can with the other stuff, you won't lose too much if the Ninja decides to steal it.



Meh i dont really care about ninja salvagers. Ive personally never come accross one.

I dont like it how it doesnt aggro though. If a ninja wants to probe me down and try to steal my loot by all means go ahead. But i should be able to protect whats mine, dontcha think?

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Juelia Wolf
I dont like it how it doesnt aggro though. If a ninja wants to probe me down and try to steal my loot by all means go ahead. But i should be able to protect whats mine, dontcha think?


Looting a wreck gives aggro. Salvaging is a whole different mechanic. Considering that scanning got an ~85% nerf (meaning it's that much less effective) and that we need to train up the skills by which to do it, I think it's pretty fair all the way around.

Of course, I'm biased. (I've been pretty helpful lately, don't you think?)

Wink

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Hobbes277

Main reason I do this is not for ISK, it so I can make any rig I want whernever I want it.

So if I want to rig an IBIS (which I've done) its no big deal.


This.

I loot/salvage all missions, just stashed the salvage until one day I saw what it was worth on the market, pleasantly surprised to find it was 650M Isk.

Having bought a full set of T1 Rig BPO's, I can make any rig I need. Just put 3 Cargohold Optimization I's on a Mammoth, can fit 9 GSC's in the hold, and get over 35k m3 of cargo capacity. Wouldn't dream of doing this unless I had the salvage already on hand.

Once you get used to doing this, upgrade slots become extra module slots and enable you to really customize your ship just how you want it. It also enables you to experiment with different rigs to see if one setup is superior to the other.

And I really hate to leave Isk in the form of loot/salvage on the battlefield. I will agree with one of the above posters in that missile batteries will leave cans of 100 missiles, and if its 50km away it really isn't worth the time.






Juelia Wolf
Caldari
SOTI Inc.
Napalm Sticks To Kids
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:10:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
(I've been pretty helpful lately, don't you think?)

Wink



Not really.

I asked other mission runners how they went about doing it.

You told me how you like to steal.

Different.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:25:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Juelia Wolf
Not really.


You miss the obvious, and hurt my feelings in the process.

Wink

If I provide the Mission Runners information on my methods, and the methods of our Alliance, you can become better prepared when a Ninja Salvager does, in fact, enter your Mission. (Obviously, there's more than just you reading these posts, and sometime, somewhere, someone is going to have a Ninja Salvager in their Mission.)

Sure, you asked how people salvage in-game, and you will receive the same canned responses (destroyers, tractors, salvage as you go, etc.) but you won't get the perspective from the other side.

I give you information on how to combat what we do, and you're not appreciative of it?

Grey Alpha
Posted - 2008.12.29 16:51:00 - [16]
 

In Lvl 4 missions I use a tractor beam and salvager on my Raven and loot will fighting. Once fighting is done, I bookmark a wreck and return with my destroyer to get the rest. It saves on time since lvl 4 missions often have larger volume items and the destroyer only has soon much room (need to work on the skils for the salvage-cane).

Kadoes Khan
Posted - 2008.12.29 18:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ghengis Tia
Originally by: Hobbes277

Main reason I do this is not for ISK, it so I can make any rig I want whernever I want it.

So if I want to rig an IBIS (which I've done) its no big deal.


This.

I loot/salvage all missions, just stashed the salvage until one day I saw what it was worth on the market, pleasantly surprised to find it was 650M Isk.

Having bought a full set of T1 Rig BPO's, I can make any rig I need. Just put 3 Cargohold Optimization I's on a Mammoth, can fit 9 GSC's in the hold, and get over 35k m3 of cargo capacity. Wouldn't dream of doing this unless I had the salvage already on hand.

Once you get used to doing this, upgrade slots become extra module slots and enable you to really customize your ship just how you want it. It also enables you to experiment with different rigs to see if one setup is superior to the other.

And I really hate to leave Isk in the form of loot/salvage on the battlefield. I will agree with one of the above posters in that missile batteries will leave cans of 100 missiles, and if its 50km away it really isn't worth the time.




/facepalm here we go again.

Whether you got the resources or not does not change the value of those resources.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.12.29 19:43:00 - [18]
 

No No, these people are good.

When they sell the items on the market, I can reprocess them and make a lot of money.

Recordable disc
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.12.29 20:18:00 - [19]
 

I pull in the wrecks with an Orca. Pop a salvager (BC) out and salvage the wrecks. Fast and decadent. Two accounts though.

Galleus Einhorn
Posted - 2008.12.30 07:45:00 - [20]
 

I generally loot & salvage all my level 3's and level 4's, but only after I've turned in the mission. That way, I can use an MWD on my salvage ship (which is a fully cargo-expanded hurricane, over 2k m3 of space -- enough for all but a few missions so far).

I usually sell off or keep any interesting named modules and melt down the rest. I then use the minerals to build all my ammo. I've been pretty self-sufficient, as far as that goes.

And as some of the posters above do, I keep all my salvage and build my own rigs.

Anyway, I really can't say if it's an efficient use of time. I'm sure I could run a new mission in the time it takes me to loot & salvage the previous one. But it breaks the monotony...

Aeryl Firebrand
Posted - 2008.12.30 23:22:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kadoes Khan
/facepalm here we go again.

Whether you got the resources or not does not change the value of those resources.


That's not even remotely what he said.


 

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