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Kongkim 040382DK
Posted - 2008.12.27 14:07:00 - [1]
 

Hi all.

I was thinking off trying to find a good passive shield tanking setup for a dominix.
So let me here if you have some good builds or iders :)

maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
Posted - 2008.12.27 14:13:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: maralt on 27/12/2008 14:17:02
Originally by: Kongkim 040382DK
Hi all.

I was thinking off trying to find a good passive shield tanking setup for a dominix.
So let me here if you have some good builds or iders :)


You can shield tank a domi for ratting as long as you know the dmg type of the rats, in fact it makes a great ratting ship as you can cargo expand the lows for collecting loot as well as having a tractor beam and salvagers in the highs as well as NOS to power youR shield repper (Swiss army domi ftw).

But i do not think you can passive shield tank it tbh.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.12.27 14:20:00 - [3]
 

Passive shield tanking domi will fail for pvp and missions, same applies for most battleships - the recharge time is too high.

Jon Malkovich
Posted - 2008.12.27 14:36:00 - [4]
 

yeah come to low sec with that passive domi >.<

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.27 14:45:00 - [5]
 

TimMc said "Passive shield tanking domi will fail for pvp and missions, same applies for most battleships - the recharge time is too high."
What a lot of rubbish the Domi was one of if not the first passive regen battelship to be used. I passive tank all my Battleships without any problem from the Domi up to the Kronos. My current fav setup is below as it's effective and cheap.

Damage Mod II
Damage Mod II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
Drone Link Augmentor I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

For PvP fit all PDS or perhaps 1 DCU in the low slots, fit a microwarp and swap the turrets for energy neats and 2 Nos.


Kirtan Loor
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.12.27 15:11:00 - [6]
 

Can be done, but you will be inferior to active tanked ones for missions etc.
Uses one active one passive hardener(For guristas in this example). If you are gonig to take this ship to a place where it is going to get neuted to hell switch both to passive.

[Dominix, Passive Domi]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I


White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.27 18:49:00 - [7]
 

Hey Pottsey...
Could you passive tank the Sin as well or does the exchange of a low and a mid slot gimp it for this. Wondering cause i am thinking of a Sin for exploration and one with a passive tank would be best.
Worth a Damn?

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.12.27 18:53:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/12/2008 18:54:36
Originally by: White Ronin
Hey Pottsey...
Could you passive tank the Sin as well or does the exchange of a low and a mid slot gimp it for this. Wondering cause i am thinking of a Sin for exploration and one with a passive tank would be best.
Worth a Damn?

Passive tanking a Sin is possible but not practical. It does not actually have a reasonable enough shield recharge rate in order to get any amount of shields to recharge quick enough, even with SPRs in the lows.

Better off sticking with an armor tank on a Sin it would seem.

edit: Here is a Sin tank set to tank Serpentis/Guristas (1400 DPS)

[Sin, PVE Standard]
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

100MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
E500 Prototype Energy Vampire
Salvager I
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Dread Guristas Cloaking Device

Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Auxiliary Nano Pump I

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.12.27 20:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
TimMc said "Passive shield tanking domi will fail for pvp and missions, same applies for most battleships - the recharge time is too high."
What a lot of rubbish the Domi was one of if not the first passive regen battelship to be used. I passive tank all my Battleships without any problem from the Domi up to the Kronos. My current fav setup is below as it's effective and cheap.

Damage Mod II
Damage Mod II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
425mm Railgun II, Navy Anti Matter
Drone Link Augmentor I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

For PvP fit all PDS or perhaps 1 DCU in the low slots, fit a microwarp and swap the turrets for energy neats and 2 Nos.




You are epic fail.

It can be done, but it should not be. Dominix can tank so much better with an active armour tank, and a passive one for pvp. Only times shield tanking is used well in PvP is to free up lows for damage mods and speed mods, but failing that and puting neuts...

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.28 00:13:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 28/12/2008 00:26:29
TimMc said "You are epic fail. It can be done, but it should not be. Dominix can tank so much better with an active armour tank, and a passive one for pvp. Only times shield tanking is used well in PvP is to free up lows for damage mods and speed mods, but failing that and puting neuts..."
You need to learn what Epic fail means. If something works very well and can tank missions with ease and have a high damage output then it's not Epic fail, in fact its note even a fail. How am I epic fail as I came up with a around about 100million setup including ship price that does missions with ease?

Some of the tougher passive shield tanks are 1200dps tanks. Have you even looked at the numbers or do you just wrongly assume active amour tanking is "so much better"? As for PvP a passive buffer shield tank is not that far off a amour version only with shields your faster and your HPs regen.

As for the question on the Sin I never got anything decent on it, it can work but its not that good. It kept coming out much worse than a T1 Domi.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2008.12.28 01:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Some of the tougher passive shield tanks are 1200dps tanks. Have you even looked at the numbers or do you just wrongly assume active amour tanking is "so much better"? As for PvP a passive buffer shield tank is not that far off a amour version only with shields your faster and your HPs regen.
Completely depends on the ship and I ask you to show me one passive shield Domi setup that can even remotely come close to that. Now if CCP released xl shield extenders then you could probably get a good passive tank on a Domi but the current large extenders simply don't add enough hp to the base amount to get those lulzcrazy passive recharge rates like you can on a cruiser or even battlecruiser.

NoNah
Posted - 2008.12.28 02:59:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Pottsey
Some of the tougher passive shield tanks are 1200dps tanks. Have you even looked at the numbers or do you just wrongly assume active amour tanking is "so much better"? As for PvP a passive buffer shield tank is not that far off a amour version only with shields your faster and your HPs regen.
Completely depends on the ship and I ask you to show me one passive shield Domi setup that can even remotely come close to that. Now if CCP released xl shield extenders then you could probably get a good passive tank on a Domi but the current large extenders simply don't add enough hp to the base amount to get those lulzcrazy passive recharge rates like you can on a cruiser or even battlecruiser.


That's the very thing. Passive tanks are not great, in fact they're pretty horrible, but they're cheap and easy to max out. It's easy to get a tank thats cheap ongrid and still tanks all level 4's enough to complete them. In fact I doubt there's a single ship in EVE that's not better off shieldtanked while doing missions - wether it's passive or active.

I dare say the king of Domis for pve is an highend active tank with fitting mods allowing a full rack of 425mm rails and sentry drone rigs.

Fitting 2 reppers means you have to fit 2 RCU's or something like that, and you will still be tight on cap if you go sentry drone rigs. Fitting passively you won't get the sentry drone rigs, but you'll have more grid to spare for the highs. And you have the lows for fitting mods and damage mods.(And SPR's obviously)

Vad Starborne
Posted - 2008.12.28 04:43:00 - [13]
 

A Passive shield Domi can get upwards of 875 tankable DPS with a nice Sheld buffer.
Put in a gang and you are looking at 960 tankable DPS. More if you fit for specific damage types.
1179 Tankable DPS if you have an Vulture in gang.

I wouldn't say the Passive Dominix is fail.
Sure, it doesn't work in every scenario, no setup usually does though.
It has its uses for sure, even in PvP.
Like say... as Cyno Bait.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.28 11:12:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 28/12/2008 11:13:20
Zeba said "Completely depends on the ship and I ask you to show me one passive shield Domi setup that can even remotely come close to that."
Thats easy. 1163 DPS tanked or 1279dps if you fly with a friend and of course a lot more if the friend is in a command ship. 475DPS output.

[Dominix,]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II

Highs x3 tractor beams and x3 salvagers

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II (T1 Purgers would still be over a 1000dps tanked)


[Dominix, PvP]
Power Diagnostic System II (or damage Control II)
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II,
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

The setup drains far more cap then a Nos setup, knocks the enemies cap down to 0 and with the 3 different cycle rates it's very hard for the enemy to time cap boosters just right to get much benefit. Best with a friend so you can get the extra 10% shields and they can warp scam.


 

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