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Zandro Daemon
Caldari
THE THORNS OF THE BLACK ROSE
Posted - 2008.12.19 02:12:00 - [1]
 

Sorry but I don't know where to place this thread on the forum.

The CEO of my new industrial corp put all his training on hold and spent the last 45 days
training towards the Orca and all the benefits of that ship. The problem he is having
is when in fleet with these three modules installed:
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency
he is not getting any bonuses like the ones from Mining Foreman level 5, Mining Director
level 4 and Warfare Link Specialist level 4. He only gets the 3 percent bonus from Orca level 1.
But he gets all the bonuses when he has the same setup on other ships.

He has sent in many tickets and always gets a lame response that they don't detect any problems. He
pays for 6 eve accounts and is ready to cancel them all because of this so he asked me to try in find
a solution to this before loosing it and telling ccp to....

Thanks for any help you might be able to provide!

Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2008.12.19 03:06:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Lyvanna Kitaen on 19/12/2008 03:06:19
I've used an Orca since they came out on Singularity and I've never had this problem. Mine seems to boost fine. I don't use the capacitor link but otherwise I'm set up the same.

Is there something funky in the way you have your gang set up? You don't have the Orca pilot as a wing leader with no squad leader in-between do you?

Padan Fain
Order of the Phoenix
Posted - 2008.12.19 03:09:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Padan Fain on 19/12/2008 03:10:03
Edited by: Padan Fain on 19/12/2008 03:09:47
Take command of a squad and put the miners in that squad.... with the Orca pilot as the squad commander.


I was going to call your CEO a noob but I am sure someone else will for me.

Lemage
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
Posted - 2008.12.19 03:13:00 - [4]
 

If you are getting the 3% bonus from orca level 1.... Then you should be getting a bonus higher than in any other ship, setup the same way, because the orca is the only ship that gives bonus to your mining links.


Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2008.12.19 03:22:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lemage
If you are getting the 3% bonus from orca level 1.... Then you should be getting a bonus higher than in any other ship, setup the same way, because the orca is the only ship that gives bonus to your mining links.




other than a Rorqual

Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.19 03:45:00 - [6]
 

train Orca Level 2 Neutral

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.19 07:36:00 - [7]
 

seriously, I had orca level 4 in 3 or 4 days of training. Don't fly at level 1 get someone with better skills to do it.

Ralle030583
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.12.19 09:10:00 - [8]
 

1) your CEO should learn (or better should know when he already can fly an orca...) how gang bonuses are given..
2) he should rlly train orca more than lvl1 .. from lvl1 to 4 dont take really long and its worth

oh and:
Originally by: Padan Fain
I was going to call your CEO a noob but I am sure someone else will for me.

k i do it for you, the OP's CEO is a noob :-P

Taikun
Gallente
Jovoso
Teldar Paper
Posted - 2008.12.19 09:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ralle030583
k i do it for you, the OP's CEO is a noob :-P


Was there any doubt? I mean really... "THE THORNS OF THE BLACK ROSE" Sounds like a cover of a romance novel. Very Happy

Taikun

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2008.12.19 10:05:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 19/12/2008 10:05:12
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Ralle030583
k i do it for you, the OP's CEO is a noob :-P


Was there any doubt? I mean really... "THE THORNS OF THE BLACK ROSE" Sounds like a cover of a romance novel. Very Happy

Taikun


but it's in caitals they must be cool / awesome / know how gang bonus' work

Crucible5
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.19 10:26:00 - [11]
 

The only problem I can think of is he hasn't trained mining director to at least level 2 (which you need for the gang assist mods to take effect).

Gilgamoth
Minmatar
Eldritch Storm
Posted - 2008.12.19 13:20:00 - [12]
 

Either that or he's formed a Fleet which sticks him as Fleet Commander by default and he hasn't noticed the big red X that indicates that the gang bonuses aren't working.

Regards,

Gil

MarieFrance Tessier
Posted - 2008.12.19 14:49:00 - [13]
 

I can confirm the orca works fine for us, but we're using people with more than one point in orca skills.

Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2008.12.19 14:56:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Korizan on 19/12/2008 15:19:08
Well 3 % isn't much.

Look @ it this way.
T1 Mining Lasers Command ship running links is 22 KM
Now if you switch it over to the Orca 22 * .03 = .66 or 22.66 KM
And sense the client rounds down when you do a show stats, well 22 KM

So
LvL-1 = 22 KM
LvL-2 = 23 KM
LvL-3 = 23 KM
LvL-4 = 24 KM
LvL-5 = 25 KM



Moridrex
Posted - 2008.12.19 15:28:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Moridrex on 19/12/2008 15:28:59
Confirming OP's CEO is a nubbins.

Orca works fine for me when I'm squad commander or otherwise have the fleet chain set up right.

Orca skill up to 4, mining director/foreman at 5, warfare link specialist at 5...and the mining foreman implant.

nubbin CEO probably has warfare link spec at 1 or something, or otherwise has low skillz...this stuff doesn't work WELL unless you max all the involved skills.

Edit: I can haz ur CEO's stuffs?

brinelan
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.19 16:09:00 - [16]
 

if you dont see a green check in the fleet window then your fleet is et up wrong.

Also being able to sit in a ship =/= you can fly it properly (when will people learn this).

If you dont have industrial command ships at 4, gang link skills at 5 (ok 4 you could probably get away with) and mindlink then congrats, you bought yourself an expensive hauler that can tractor beam cans at stupidly long ranges!

Solo Gray
Gray Ghost Industrials
Posted - 2008.12.19 16:22:00 - [17]
 

What is pathetic is that the responders figured out at least 2 issues with the OP that CCP could not. Petitioning CCP and expecting a helpful response is a crapshoot.

brinelan
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.19 18:04:00 - [18]
 

it isnt a gm's job to figure out that you can't read module descriptions.

Xavier Iblis
Posted - 2008.12.19 18:30:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: brinelan

If you dont have industrial command ships at 4, gang link skills at 5 (ok 4 you could probably get away with) and mindlink then congrats, you bought yourself an expensive hauler that can tractor beam cans at stupidly long ranges!


Also probably the best protection vs. can flippers, eh?

quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
Posted - 2008.12.20 09:56:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Solo Gray
What is pathetic is that the responders figured out at least 2 issues with the OP that CCP could not. Petitioning CCP and expecting a helpful response is a crapshoot.


notreally, CCP cant tell you how to set upa fleet, thye can only look at the game code etc, not the player set up

Dark Thor
Posted - 2008.12.20 10:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Korizan
Edited by: Korizan on 19/12/2008 15:19:08
Well 3 % isn't much.

Look @ it this way.
T1 Mining Lasers Command ship running links is 22 KM
Now if you switch it over to the Orca 22 * .03 = .66 or 22.66 KM
And sense the client rounds down when you do a show stats, well 22 KM

So
LvL-1 = 22 KM
LvL-2 = 23 KM
LvL-3 = 23 KM
LvL-4 = 24 KM
LvL-5 = 25 KM



maxed cmd ship bonuses for range give you 22.6km
so the module bonus is 22.6 - 15 = 7.6 km range bonus
1% of 7.6 = 0.076
3 x 0.076 = 0.228 km per 3%
orca level 5 = 15%
0.228 x 5 = 1.14km
1.14 + 22.6 = 23.74

or well thats how i understand it to work.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.12.20 15:33:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Pwett on 20/12/2008 15:34:32
nothing is additive, it's all multiplicative.

Thus, at indy command V,
22.6 * 1.15 = 25.99

Dark Thor
Posted - 2008.12.20 21:04:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Pwett
Edited by: Pwett on 20/12/2008 15:34:32
nothing is additive, it's all multiplicative.

Thus, at indy command V,
22.6 * 1.15 = 25.99


3% bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level

the effectiveness of the links is the difference between standard range and range with bonuses which is 7ish km take 7km and multiply it by 1.15

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2008.12.21 06:42:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Zandro Daemon

He has sent in many tickets and always gets a lame response that they don't detect any problems. He
pays for 6 eve accounts and is ready to cancel them all because of this so he asked me to try in find
a solution to this before loosing it and telling ccp to....

Can my corp have your corp's stuff?

Is the fleet properly formd?
Is he the fleet booster?
Does he have the right skills?

If you answered one or more of those "no" then your CEO is very lilley an idiot.

Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
Posted - 2008.12.21 10:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Dark Thor
3% bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level

the effectiveness of the links is the difference between standard range and range with bonuses which is 7ish km take 7km and multiply it by 1.15


Orca Leadership Numbers (with director V, warfare link V, and mindlink implant)
           cycle      range  
BC/CS 232.5sec 22.594km
ICS I 230.5sec 22.822km
ICS II 228.5sec 23.049km
ICS III 226.4sec 23.277km
ICS IV 224.4sec 23.505km
ICS V 222.4sec 23.733km

Dark Thor
Posted - 2008.12.21 12:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Clansworth
Orca Leadership Numbers (with director V, warfare link V, and mindlink implant)
           cycle      range  
BC/CS 232.5sec 22.594km
ICS I 230.5sec 22.822km
ICS II 228.5sec 23.049km
ICS III 226.4sec 23.277km
ICS IV 224.4sec 23.505km
ICS V 222.4sec 23.733km



the range seems to add up, but i think the cycle time is wrong, the cycle starts at 180 and CS takes it down to 139.5
the maths seems sound i think you just got the wrong starting figure.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.12.21 22:43:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Solo Gray
What is pathetic is that the responders figured out at least 2 issues with the OP that CCP could not. Petitioning CCP and expecting a helpful response is a crapshoot.


There is nothing wrong with the game, and they said so. There is something wrong with what the orca pilot and I don't see that as really their job to point out.

Countessa D'Marko
Fortuna inc.
Posted - 2008.12.22 12:52:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dark Thor
Originally by: Clansworth
Orca Leadership Numbers (with director V, warfare link V, and mindlink implant)
           cycle      range  
BC/CS 232.5sec 22.594km
ICS I 230.5sec 22.822km
ICS II 228.5sec 23.049km
ICS III 226.4sec 23.277km
ICS IV 224.4sec 23.505km
ICS V 222.4sec 23.733km



the range seems to add up, but i think the cycle time is wrong, the cycle starts at 180 and CS takes it down to 139.5
the maths seems sound i think you just got the wrong starting figure.


Looks to me to be Ice Mining numbers ...

Shinkai Moroshu
Posted - 2008.12.24 17:58:00 - [29]
 

first of all not a newb second iam maxed out for the orca lvl all themining skills u name it i have it 2 five so if u cant help dont run ur mouth like u r a no it all or try 2 crack a joke cuase really ur not very funny and yes this the ceo in this blog u guys tear down other s cuase u think ur funny well ur not and it jus show s what kind of peaple u r

Constance Harme
Posted - 2008.12.24 18:01:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Shinkai Moroshu
first of all not a newb second iam maxed out for the orca lvl all themining skills u name it i have it 2 five so if u cant help dont run ur mouth like u r a no it all or try 2 crack a joke cuase really ur not very funny and yes this the ceo in this blog u guys tear down other s cuase u think ur funny well ur not and it jus show s what kind of peaple u r


Thank you for butchering the english language.


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