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Tholarim
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:13:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Afale II
Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43
Originally by: Viper ShizzIe
[16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA
[16:13] <> aswell
[16:13] <> LOL
[16:13] <> bahaha
[16:13] <> eddz down
[16:13] <> no apparently
[16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits
[16:13] <> before this hit



that's enough proof
where is the inquisitor?


Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to!

Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:21:00 - [62]
 

Were any of the banned members involved in organizing or funding the alliance tournament teams of ev0ke?

If that were the case, it would fit the alliance to destroy the medals and lay off the victory.

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:24:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Afale II
Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43
Originally by: Viper ShizzIe
[16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA
[16:13] <> aswell
[16:13] <> LOL
[16:13] <> bahaha
[16:13] <> eddz down
[16:13] <> no apparently
[16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits
[16:13] <> before this hit



that's enough proof
where is the inquisitor?


Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to!


Yeah I have reason to believe molle is the main man behind this exploit that is why Shrikes character history has been erased just look ingame if you dont believe me!!

Shadoo
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:32:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tholarim
Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to!


Someone on our joined pl/sot lawl-op last night felt it appropriate to confidently claim on TS that whole Evolution corp has been closed "FOR CERTAIN" and shows as such in-game. When lolled at, he went on instead to say "Shrike's been banned FOR SURE anyway" amongs much amusement.

You guys are pretty good at spreading those false rumours nowadays I must admit Laughing. Shame I didn't catch the name for griefing Sad.

Avan Strega
Minmatar
Entity.
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:45:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance


taking quote out of context here for lols

Shpuntik
Minmatar
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:53:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Shpuntik on 12/12/2008 10:53:20
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected.



Thats the small minded attitude that EVE doesn't need they have said sorry so deal with it its just a game.

People who are in evoke had no idea this was going on and they will end up taking alot of stick for it which is unfair on there part.

To Evoke sorry that because of action of a few it has hit you hard was looking forward to the CR Ops we had going :(

SentryRaven
Gallente
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:53:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Avan Strega
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Tbh, we are a fkin poor Alliance


taking quote out of context here for lols


****, even I found that funny now... Out of context FTW. :)

Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Deez Nuts.
Nut Up Or Shut Up.
Posted - 2008.12.12 11:40:00 - [68]
 

Removed. Navigator

Daviclond
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.12 11:41:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie

What sh!t do you try to stir up???

The stuff you quote is available at eve-search, so why don't you give the link there?

Then you will see that the post in question comes directly from SHIP-REIMBURSMENT context and has NOTHING to do with pos reaction!


Since I suppose you know these facts Morris Falter, I can only assume that you try to stir up something against CCP on purpose. Are these ASW cheaters your friends and do you try a smear campaign against CCP now? Or did you even profit directly from ASW and their money? Or are you just plain stupid and cannot read a thread and spread bad rumours around trying to look important?

I question your integrity.


if you have such limited command of the english language that you rely on capitlisation for emphasis rather word choice, pacing and syntax you should probably go drown yourself in a lake

Blancanieves
Caldari
X-Ray Industries
United Pod Service
Posted - 2008.12.12 11:56:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :(


LOL that sounds like another confession to me :)

Torhas
Gallente
ZER0.
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:00:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :(


Because you had infinite money too c/d ?

Lockheed19
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:10:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Moonlight Express
Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE.


Unfortunately, I have to agree. But it's not the inevitable shallowness of those too immature to treat the situation logically, rather they point the finger en masse as they pursue the standard cowardly route of blaming all for the sins of a few.

Quote:
Apology rejected.


Unfortunately I have to disagree.

The man posted an apology on behalf of several people who have effectively, cast a long shadow over the integrity of all his corporation. Fair play to him. I'd accept his apology. I suggest you wriggle back under your rock of ignorance and plan your next excursion to a garden buildings centre resplendent with obligagtory stones.

Rolling Eyes

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:11:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Removed. Navigator


We can say in eddz's defense, that the POS exploit was dressed provocatively.

darth solo
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:44:00 - [74]
 

Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears.

anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair.


d solo.

gordon cain
Minmatar
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:01:00 - [75]
 

"I swear we didnt know anything was wrong. Its absolutely normal when running non-dyspo posses to have an income of 70 billion a month"

f'ing cheaters...

Gordon Cain

Kerosene
Caldari
V I R I I
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:05:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: darth solo
Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears.

anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair.


d solo.


I agree with this post 100%. It does kinda take the gloss off... :(

Sylar McIntyr
Caldari
Konstrukteure der Zukunft
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:11:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Sylar McIntyr on 12/12/2008 13:11:34
So we have a bunch of victims that lost their reputation:

1. Ev0ke
2. MH (???)
3. pack off unimportant cheaters
4. CCP

Excuses? None.

But at least ev0ke is showing some backbone and gives a statment. Won´t save your face now but perhaps you can live up to your old reputation in a year or so. Meanwhile you hopefully can focus on your old values.

ninjaedit: damn spelling Rolling Eyes

Caterpillar
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:20:00 - [78]
 

For the conspiracy theorists out there, I wonder if CCP are investigating the possibility that this "bug" was planted deliberately all those years ago, as a sort of "Easter Egg", to facilitate rapid wealth generation for those in the know. Over time, peeps not intended to know about the bug might have stumbled across it or a loose tongue might have dropped the relevant information. Could this explain why it wasn't acted upon when reported? Even more scarey, could the players who exploited this from the start be still in game, the accounts banned being the ones who weren't supposed to benefit.

I don't think for a minute that CCP as an organisation would be capable of such a thing, but the fact that there are CCP employees who play EVE will not make it easy for the possibility of this being true to be ruled out.

OK, so I have a vivid imagination, but an interesting theory all the same and I honestly hope one that CCP can disprove very rapidly as a result of their investigations.

"Grassy Knoll" anyone? Twisted Evil

Swamp Ziro
Minmatar
Ultimate Betrayal.
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:32:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :(


why don't you tell us? BOB are the leading experts in losing wars despite having unfair advantages.

O Thief
Amarr
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:32:00 - [80]
 

The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible.

I don't believe the OP, simple as that.

LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:36:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: LoveKebab on 12/12/2008 13:37:42
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Afale II
Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 02:19:43
Originally by: Viper ShizzIe
[16:12] <> so evoke just confirmed it was KIA
[16:13] <> aswell
[16:13] <> LOL
[16:13] <> bahaha
[16:13] <> eddz down
[16:13] <> no apparently
[16:13] <> they changed all their pos fits
[16:13] <> before this hit



that's enough proof
where is the inquisitor?


Yeh i heard about a thread on RZR forums about molle apparently being banned to!

fred0 is always telling **** man, last time i heard TRI was also involved but i stoped listening to what he says the day i left rzr
every1 who stand against NC combined forces for more than 3 days has to cheat... ****, i personally type "give all" durning loading screen to multiply my isk by x2

Eleese
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:48:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: O Thief
The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible.

I don't believe the OP, simple as that.


Bit that amazes me is that ccp recently released new content (alchemy thingy) to change low end moon mins into higher ends because theres a huge problem of high prices and lack of supply of them. To establish this was a problem and come up with a solution that does balance the problem they must have done some research to work out roughly how much more would be needed and the effect this would have of the supply of high end moon minerals.

How did they not realise that there was many times more reactions being made than moon minerals being mined. That is far harder to believe than evoke not realizing where the isk was coming from. I mean they were specifically trying to fix an issue that was being effected by this exploit... the fact the problem they were solving would probably be worse without the exploit is just amusing.



CCP Navigator


Minmatar
C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 13:55:00 - [83]
 

Please keep the thread on topic'.

Accussing other players, corporations or alliances of cheating based on hearsay, speculation or just "this is what I think" is not permitted and may result in a warning or ban.

Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:08:00 - [84]
 

Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight... ugh


Shaemell Buttleson
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:20:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Kerosene
Originally by: darth solo
Im just a little hacked off that iv been trying to compete with ppl that have cheated for years tbh. always wondered why so many of you were able to afford all the toys and prolong the wars while my lads have had to work like bears.

anyways. i picked a good time to move away from 0.0 alliance stuff it seems, I dont think ill ever really trust CCP to make this game fair.


d solo.


I agree with this post 100%. It does kinda take the gloss off... :(


On the other hand since PPl have been able to cope, fight and still do well gives you something to be proud of. Take it as a compliment these pricks need to cheat to get one over you.

They are ****ers though all the same!




Wesley Baird
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:30:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Atropos Kahn
Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight... ugh




Hardly carebear drama, depending on the amounts involved and on the corps involved its very much a pvp drama...who knows how many titans and capital ships this exploit funded...


Afale II
Caldari
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:43:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Atropos Kahn
Carebear Drama... It's like watching a girl fight... ugh




Hardly carebear drama, depending on the amounts involved and on the corps involved its very much a pvp drama...who knows how many titans and capital ships this exploit funded...




all of them, just ban all those Titans already

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.12.12 15:21:00 - [88]
 

So this has been goin on since when? 2005 2006 or what? I havent really looked up, BUT YOU, tellin me that the leadership had no clue about this, and it has been goin on for 3 years? Yeah, really wanna expect me to belive that....Rolling Eyes.
Why would you risk having them in your alliance if it wouldnt profit you aswell? Drop the smoke. More true story is like:

Leadership: Oki keep doin it, give a small share to the corp/alliance, keep rest for youself, if get cought, the blame goes all on you and we say we dident know a jack....

That statement was worse then the Schwazerneeger staement like "close the border" LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Cardinal Harvest
Minmatar
Steel Battalion
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.12.12 15:24:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: moppinator
Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18
Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55
In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight.

As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation.
Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it.
We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it.

It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it.
Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it.

CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not.

Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves.
They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you.

regards


I dont want to be rude or anything, you know but...
**** YOU very much.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.12.12 15:35:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Janu Hull on 12/12/2008 15:38:54
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: O Thief
The notion that Evoke directors did not notice dozens of large reaction POS and approx 80bn ISK a month of income is simply not credible.

I don't believe the OP, simple as that.



Bit that amazes me is that ccp recently released new content (alchemy thingy) to change low end moon mins into higher ends because theres a huge problem of high prices and lack of supply of them. To establish this was a problem and come up with a solution that does balance the problem they must have done some research to work out roughly how much more would be needed and the effect this would have of the supply of high end moon minerals.

How did they not realise that there was many times more reactions being made than moon minerals being mined. That is far harder to believe than evoke not realizing where the isk was coming from. I mean they were specifically trying to fix an issue that was being effected by this exploit... the fact the problem they were solving would probably be worse without the exploit is just amusing.




CCP missed it on two counts. One, its probably more data than a team of statistics experts can handle. Simple overload and focused efforts elsewhere (ISK farmers) likely kept them from looking too closely at what could be assumed to be players once again exceeding expectations for production. Secondly, it might just be information they weren't actively monitoring, since the usual issues with economics begins and ends at the actual currency level.

As far as the alliance leaderships go, your average PvP pilot in an alliance (the type who tend to also be the leaders of those PvP alliances) knows **** all about industry beyond "it generates ISK to buy me ships so I can pewpew". Most of them can't be arsed with it because of the "carebear" stigma. So as long as the money flows, and the carebear corps x-up for alliance ops and the occassional roam, they're perfectly happy in complete ****ing darkness about how the furries make them ISK. Even if they do know industry, the odds are they've never looked close enough at the mechanics to see the exploits that a full on industrial player may notice, so the other assumption would be "damn, they're good at this" and leave it at that.


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