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Captain Zienna
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:18:00 - [1]
 

Hey guys,

Which is the better tool ? ShiftWindow or EVE Launcher ? been looking into installing either of them, but something tells me that ShiftWindow was made before EVE Launcher.

Is there a better tool out there ? Mainly i want it to remove the borders and let it look like it runs in full screen.

Also has any tried Timers ?

http://www.grismar.net/shiftwindow/
http://eve.grismar.net/evelauncher/
http://www.grismar.net/timers/

Thank you for any response.

Tillmen
The Executives
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:43:00 - [2]
 

I have used eve launcher for over a year now and it has worked great. Occasionally I will get an error message (Window hook in use) that requires me to restart my PC to get it to work again. I have gotten into the habit of closing and opening eve launcher when I restart the client and this problem has pretty much disappeared.

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 - [3]
 

iam using shiftwindows for years, because it also works on other games like tabula rasa to fake fullscreen and other stuff

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:33:00 - [4]
 

None of them. I'm using my own one, which *ONLY* moving EVE Window, and not resizing it.
Because any resize make EVE looks like i watching it underwater.

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.12 16:51:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 12/12/2008 16:51:25
Using Gamers Window Relocator

http://gwr.orekaria.com/ (Site looked down when I took that link but that's where I got it. It was still up recently so it's probably temporarily down.)

Google cached: [ HERE ]

Thorson Wiles
Minmatar
M3 Co-Op
Posted - 2008.12.14 02:12:00 - [6]
 

I use EveMon with the option 'Relocate windowed EVE to fill a monitor' selected.

Works very well for me, but it had a habit of also relocating eve related windows as well. (though that hasn't happened to me since the last EveMon data update)

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.14 16:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Thorson Wiles
I use EveMon with the option 'Relocate windowed EVE to fill a monitor' selected.

Works very well for me, but it had a habit of also relocating eve related windows as well. (though that hasn't happened to me since the last EveMon data update)


Problem with evemon is that you can only have 1 setting. If you have 2 screens and more than one account, the others launchers can put the clients on different screens.

I tried all but got some bugs here and there and the Gamers Window Relocator was the only one not bugging. Although it's not a launcher, you open your Eve(s), move them if you need to their relevant screen and hit the relocate. It will put them full screen on the screen they are.

Originally by: Thorson Wiles

None of them. I'm using my own one, which *ONLY* moving EVE Window, and not resizing it.
Because any resize make EVE looks like i watching it underwater.



You "were" doing it wrong. You have to use the right resolution. If your screen is 1280x1024, you put eve in window mode in 1280x1024. The launchers (or relocator) will simply remove the title bar, etc. No resizing. No blurry or underwater stuff.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.15 02:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: DeTox MinRohim
You "were" doing it wrong. You have to use the right resolution. If your screen is 1280x1024, you put eve in window mode in 1280x1024. The launchers (or relocator) will simply remove the title bar, etc. No resizing. No blurry or underwater stuff.


You're positively kidding.
I've had EVE in 1024x768 window and relocating it 48 pixels left to make it desktop-center instead of screen-center.
Settings was
Move to: 32, 168
Resize to: 1024x768 client area.
Result = blur. In any program. And I have not happen to find one that would ONLY move window, without resize.
So...
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=534947&page=1#1
(Link to binary is long-dead, now it live on
http://eve.rootdir.org/EVEmover-2007-06-11.rar

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.15 08:28:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 15/12/2008 09:00:09
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: DeTox MinRohim
You "were" doing it wrong. You have to use the right resolution. If your screen is 1280x1024, you put eve in window mode in 1280x1024. The launchers (or relocator) will simply remove the title bar (or simply move the window so that the title bar disapear completly beyond screen limit), etc. No resizing. No blurry or underwater stuff.


You're positively kidding.
I've had EVE in 1024x768 window and relocating it 48 pixels left to make it desktop-center instead of screen-center.
Settings was
Move to: 32, 168
Resize to: 1024x768 client area.
Result = blur. In any program. And I have not happen to find one that would ONLY move window, without resize.
So...
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=534947&page=1#1
(Link to binary is long-dead, now it live on
http://eve.rootdir.org/EVEmover-2007-06-11.rar


Question

If your screen resolution is different than client, you will have awful results whatever you do (other than simply move the window). My point is that if you use the same resolution (screen and in-game client resolution), the various launchers don't need to resize. They simply move it so that the ingame covers all your screen and you don't see the title bar anymore. If the 2 resolutions are different, yes... nasty cause they have to resize to cover it all. (Take that as general info for others than you if you already know that Wink )

Whatever works for you anyway. The point of the OP is to have it full screen in windowed mode. The proggy mentioned work as intended - at least for me and everybody I saw using them, I don't have any blur stuff you say there is as I put the client at the native resolution of my screens. Guess yours is as good as another when it comes to only "move" it.

Screen 1 - 1680x1050 and screen 2 - 1280x1024. 2 clients or more on their respective screen. No problem here. I use the second link cause the first one caused crashes.

http://eve.grismar.net/evelauncher/
http://gwr.orekaria.com/

Wink

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.19 01:04:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/12/2008 01:04:50
Again, if they not only move, they do resize. Even if it "the-same-size-as-whatever".
Seriously, if you don't know what SWP_NORESIZE means and where it applies, please stop teaching me how to code.

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2008.12.19 16:46:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: fuxinos on 19/12/2008 16:50:14
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/12/2008 01:04:50
Again, if they not only move, they do resize. Even if it "the-same-size-as-whatever".
Seriously, if you don't know what SWP_NORESIZE means and where it applies, please stop teaching me how to code.


hmmm then were prolyl kidding and youre right...
i use 1280x1024, same as desktop resolution and i use the move option in shiftwindows for about 3 years now. no blurry stuff and yada... it simply moves the window, making it "appear fullscreen" but with all the joy like having taskbar when you need it and no need for alt-tab

here a ss of my settings, as said works for years now.

maybe youre doing something wrong

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.20 00:30:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 20/12/2008 00:44:42
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/12/2008 01:04:50
Again, if they not only move, they do resize. Even if it "the-same-size-as-whatever".
Seriously, if you don't know what SWP_NORESIZE means and where it applies, please stop teaching me how to code.


Laughing Funny ego - Don't think you get exactly what "we" mean. You'll have to tell me where I tried to teach you how to code. I suppose that your SWP_NORESIZE flag told you that the eve client was resized in some way.

I also never said (at least not all of them) that they ALSO resize EXCEPT if the in-client resolution setting is not the same (lower) as your desktop resolution. Of course they are resizing if your client is set to a lower resolution but what would be the frigging point? Same resolution - moves the window so that the top bar goes outbound and the ingame area covers all your screen. As simple as that. Screenies - ftw

You seem to be always talking about your own proggy and what you are doing with it. I wasn't. I don't know if your proggy is good or not. I only said that the others are working as intended. Wink

Anyway. Seems that it's working fine for most people except you.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.22 02:19:00 - [13]
 

Client was 1024x768 client area (checked with WinSpy), resized to 1024x768 client area by ShiftWindow. Result = blur.

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.22 11:18:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 22/12/2008 11:21:48
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Client was 1024x768 client area (checked with WinSpy), resized to 1024x768 client area by ShiftWindow. Result = blur.


Just for info - you're on a flat screen? or a good old CRT screen?.

Just wondering since 1024x768 is lower than the native 17" flat wich is 1280x1024 if I remember correctly (non-wide). Unless you're on a 15". On a non-native resolution of a flat screen, everything will be blured or distorted to some extent, not only Eve.

Anyway... only saying this as it might be related. Like I said, if your thing works properly, then there is no issues. Wink

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.23 17:26:00 - [15]
 

Just curious, what you want to know, since monitor type has nothing to do with issue. My screen resolution was 1360x1088 in that test.

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.23 20:40:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 23/12/2008 20:56:25
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Just curious, what you want to know, since monitor type has nothing to do with issue. My screen resolution was 1360x1088 in that test.


Laughing You are positivly kidding right?

Not sure I should answer that question because it will probably resolve in some kind of trolling. The others reading this thread will probably understand better now and don't really need to read further. But well.

Yes, the kind of monitor can be important as LCDs have a native resolution. I'll say this as a general info for others since for you, it's an obvious knowledge (let's at least pretend) and it has nothing to do with the issue. Usually, (non-wide) 1024x768 for 15", 1280x1024 for 17", etc. This of course doesn't mean that a custom resolution or a different resolution doesn't work. But many times, lower (or customs) resolutions will simply look like crap as the monitor is compensating. As for customs, it would be even if the screen supports it. CRT suffers less from rendering problems when it comes to use different or custom resolutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_resolution

So basically, your test is useless to us also. Your test involves "resizing" (if that is what you really meant) the client to 1024x768 (wich we can wonder why) on a custom resolution you made yourself and that is not within the normal aspect ratio of the generic resolutions (can we assume it's a crt? since I doubt an LCD will render it or at least correctly) and moving it around.

...... ok...... Can't say I'm surprise you have a glitch in the process. You saying that it has nothing to do with it may be because you are on a CRT and CRTs are less blablablawikipediablablainterpolationblabla...



Let's go back to the OP shall we?

Originally by: Captain Zienna
Mainly i want it to remove the borders and let it look like it runs in full screen.


And add the supposition that he doesn't use a "custom resolution" and that he doesn't care about the taskbar (like you are mentioning here). The taskbar will show up when alt-tabbing or putting focus on something else than the eve client anyway.

Shift Window
Eve Launcher
Gamers Window Relocator

As already mentioned enough times in this thread and not only by me, all these do the job without any rendering problem when you set your client resolution the same as your screen/desktop resolution. (Snipa edit: Putting aside the "custom situation", won't bother testing that). Adding the fact that in this case, it doesn't matter if it's a CRT, a LCD, a LCD wide, etc.

I wish I had a better solution for your "custom situation" but since you always come back with different parameters than what the problem needs to be solved to explain your "blur problem"... Also wish it wouldn't come as a flame bait but I suppose that's the effect it will have anyway.

So I'm off this one. The solution was given already. Screenyproofed Wink

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.24 15:37:00 - [17]
 

I appreciate your attemp to convince me that I have poor eysight... that's true, of course, no problem.
But I still able to distinguish the CRT monitor blur from full scene smoothing due to canvas resize.
I'll try and make some screenshots once I offload some work off my hands.

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.24 16:16:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 24/12/2008 16:16:14
Originally by: Tonto Auri
I appreciate your attemp to convince me that I have poor eysight... that's true, of course, no problem.
But I still able to distinguish the CRT monitor blur from full scene smoothing due to canvas resize.
I'll try and make some screenshots once I offload some work off my hands.


Cool, bare in mind that I'm not saying that it's not happening to you. But it seems that your uncommon setup might be affecting the end result.

So if your solution works for people having custom resolutions, the better. That's one to add to the list. Smile

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.12.25 23:29:00 - [19]
 

I'd say, it just works ;) Without restrictions.

Contralto
Rift Tech
Posted - 2008.12.26 18:35:00 - [20]
 

Another utility to try.

Evemover

Henry Loenwind
Gallente
Area 42
Posted - 2009.02.07 19:24:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Contralto
Another utility to try.

Evemover


Thanks for mentioning it---I'm the author of this one.

Although it has been around some time, I think it's the youngest of the EVE-specific mover tools. I created it because the others did not match my usage profile (at that time). I'm running a setup with 6 physical (5 logical) monitors and 5 EVE instances. My design goals were:

* The ability to move any running EVE, not just EVEs it started itself. (EVEMover cannot even start EVE---I got another tool for that, one that keeps all of EVEs settings in a specific location.)

* The ability to handle EVE windows that do not have the same size as the monitors they are on. No resizing. (Actually EVEMover MUST resize (shrink) EVE's window, because removing the title bar and borders has to be compensated. However, it just resizes the EVE window to match its content's size.) This means, you can setup your EVE so it leaves free space on your screen for the task bar, or TS, ...

* The ability to remove title bar and borders. I had some nasty graphic glitches when an EVE window was overlayed with something else---and that "something" was the borders and title bars of the other EVE windows most of the time...

* The ability to handle an unlimited number of monitors and EVE instances. (ok, there is some kind of limit in EVEMover, but I think Windows' limit on the number of running programms is lower.)

* Easy to use---at least if you know how to drag&drop in a tree view.


Currently there are 2 known bugs:

* In some environments Windows' security features may stop it from working.

* The EVE window will not be able to rezize after EVEMover has touched it. Easy workaround is to stop EVEMover when changing EVEs window size (resolution), and to not engage EVEMover while EVE is minimized. (A window has the size of its button in the task bar while it is minimized...)


 

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