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The Night Crew
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:08:00 - [331]


State Trade Consortium

Posted - 2008.12.11 05:11:00 - [332]

- The guilty parties should be identified.
- Any involved devs should be fired (though I doubt any are)
- Any alliances funded by this should be debited an appropriate amount, by removal of ships, isk, structures, and modules.
-Those exploiting should be temporarily or permanently banned, based on the severity of their offense.

Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:16:00 - [333]

First, This needs to be addressed by the CSM to CCP. It's what the CSM is there for, and this is your opportunity to show us the system works, and is not just one massive PR stunt without any real teeth.

Second, CCP is going to claim their privacy policy preventing them from releasing account details.

That's fine. I don't care about the names, addresses and credit card numbers that are legally protected by the privacy policies and legal "coveryourbut" of ccp.

What I am interested in knowing, however, is how many towers, belonging to how many alliances, for how long, what their economic impact has been, and what steps are being taken to fix the problem.

I will say one more thing.

"Removing the assets from the players that cheated" is not enough. Having a banned account have a -400,000,000,000 isk balance does nothing to fix the problem. They still had a massive advantage over the rest of the playerbase, affected the market, and destabilized the economy. Simply removing "$X" isk is not a solution.

So the second thing I want to know, is how is CCP addressing the current situation and how do they plan to maintain the health of the Eve Economy after this.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:19:00 - [334]

Well, this is obviously a very important issue to you guys. If we can, I will try to make sure it is raised.

But I don't want to promise anything. CCP doesn't discuss exploits at all. Nobody could discuss the damage without telling what the actual exploit is and things like that. So it seems really unlikely to me.

We should try however.


Posted - 2008.12.11 05:48:00 - [335]

The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:49:00 - [336]

Now this is something where the CSM can actually show what it is worth and do what it is meant to do, something different then discussing musical instruments in ambulation Rolling Eyes

If the CSM does not get to investigate this matter on behalf of the players it is only a farce/marketing trick and should be dissolved as it serves no real purpose imho.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:51:00 - [337]

Do eeetCool

Saint Tetrimon
Posted - 2008.12.11 05:51:00 - [338]

Edited by: Saint Tetrimon on 11/12/2008 05:55:42
Edited by: Saint Tetrimon on 11/12/2008 05:51:21
What i would like to know:

1) How many titans and cap fleets were bought with this isk printing press?

2) How much in assets were actually seized?

3) What percentage of the moon minerals market was this?

If the posts on SHC are to be believed, whole alliances could have been financed using this.

edit for thumbs up.

The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:00:00 - [339]


Trotters Independent Trading

Posted - 2008.12.11 06:02:00 - [340]


Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:16:00 - [341]

No! Those fortune enough to find this and use this should be left alone. It's not their fault that game is bugged.

This is like case in AoC was launched and I got myself pre-order collections copy. Few days later I found way to make "tons of gold". I got myself 10k gold at level 21 and was soon banned. WTF? I mean I found it legit and I don't PAY to BETA TEST. If company behind game makes frack ups and forces CUSTOMERS to pay for it .. time to pack up and leave.

I say that every exploit and bug found SHALL be done so and SHOULD be done without fear of punishment.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:24:00 - [342]


Katini Ellegahn
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:25:00 - [343]

Posted - 2008.12.11 06:27:00 - [344]


Gane Green
Dominus Imperium

Posted - 2008.12.11 06:28:00 - [345]

Needs to happen ASAP.

KdZ Industries
Initiative Associates
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:35:00 - [346]

Posted - 2008.12.11 06:46:00 - [347]

Syn Exec
Synergy Evolved
Posted - 2008.12.11 06:48:00 - [348]


attitude man
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:12:00 - [349]


Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:12:00 - [350]


Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:13:00 - [351]

A day that shall live in infamy... Laughing

Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:23:00 - [352]

I'd so love to see list of ppl banned and assets seized, it should be epic Twisted Evil

IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:25:00 - [353]

Simplistic Syndicate
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:26:00 - [354]

Ill be perfectly content if the alliances/corps using this exploit have their entire wallets seized

Posted - 2008.12.11 07:26:00 - [355]


Pilots of True Potential

Posted - 2008.12.11 07:31:00 - [356]

Kyle Cataclysm

Posted - 2008.12.11 07:33:00 - [357]

Del Girl
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:34:00 - [358]

Nothing less than full discolsure from CCP when they know the facts will be acceptable.

Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:36:00 - [359]

Time to hire the oh so needed public relations DEV

Galactic Exploration and Missions

Posted - 2008.12.11 07:36:00 - [360]

Need detailed accounting, number of people banned, titans banned, etc.

We also need economic letter fast to explain impact.

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