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Krep
Aikoku Inc.
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2008.12.29 18:14:00 - [2671]
 

Originally by: Bruce Leroi
Ha...well....those people will surely get their chance to be banned, eventually. And good riddance.

If your worry is that only luck and ignorance kept you from being guilty also, then you're not the type of player the rest of us want to have to deal with, anyway.

That will get no sympathy, here. Just quit Eve now so the honest people can have a better time playing.


Oh please. EVE was made to be harsh and cold. If CCP can't be arsed to unit test their code properly they shouldn't moan now, and neither should you. If you want fairness and excessive morality go have a browse on www.oprah.com. And spare me the honesty speech. The guy or girl you're responding to is honest, you're just politically correct.

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2008.12.30 00:44:00 - [2672]
 

Is it right that CCP left this (without a doubt in my mind) known issue (to them) alone (for any amount of time) for people (of CCPs choosing) to exploit? no!

Did everyone at CCP know about it? I will give the benefit of the doubt here. Could be a few people with the intent on personal gain via real world dollars..GTCs etc.. I see recently one illegal isk seller now offers GTCs.. hmm?

Is it right that others found this exploit (they all knew it was an exploit) and used it to their advantage? no..

So whoever at CCP should be roasted at the stake along with all of their allies who used it.. it's that simple.

CCP has the ability to track this down instantly! We all know this from illegal isk sellers/buyers being caught, banned or heavily penalized with negative isk.

So CCP certianly knows the full extent of this.. do not fool yourself with their corporate mumbo jumbo.

That is my rational take..

If you want to go full blown conspiracy theory... one could say that CCP is actually behind their own illegal isk selling and have used it to manipulate us into paying more for the so-called legal way of GTC for isk trading.

And this whole thing is a way to make isk worth less, so that people ultimately will have to buy more GTCs to stay afloat.

I have no proof of any of that..and I am not one to draw way out conclusions.. but the dots certianly exist.

Will CCP punish ALL of those involved? doubtful

Will they reveal those involved? doubtful

Will I stop playing EvE.. doubtful.. it's the best MMORPG out, and it still has yet to reach its full potential.

If CCP takes full action on all those involved.. I will be satisfied.. again.. this is doubtful. So it sucks! but i'll live with it.

Susung
Hydra Resources
D-Collective
Posted - 2008.12.30 04:48:00 - [2673]
 

Personally I think the punishment should be painfull and public, it helps to dissuade future exploiters. I do applaud CCP for bringing it right out into the open and dealing with the fallout and I trust them to do what is best for the game, in the long run that is what is best for me.

My biggest concern is the market. OF COURSE the exploitation has increased more recently invention has driven the demand for moon mins higher and higher. I have always wondered why prices seemed to not raise much from pre-invention levels, well here's the answer. There needs to be an analysis of the effects and a PUBLIC airing of the resolution. Finally something worthwhile for the CSM to ponder me thinks.

PS I am kinda fond of the idea of a moon mining COV OPS ship Shocked

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2008.12.30 05:48:00 - [2674]
 

one more note.. it seems prices have already risen in hi-sec areas near jita. Some have as much as doubled.

Bruce Destro
Posted - 2008.12.30 10:11:00 - [2675]
 

i have a few things to say. first i believe that the isk on the 70 or however many accounts AND the isk in the corp wallets should be distributed to all affected players depending on how long their accounts have been active during the exploit and to the total numbers of non trial accounts that were active for a certain peroid or longer during the exploit. im sure the isk will total in the billions. distributing this fairly to these members maybe difficult. but i see it as the only way to make it up to use who have had an unfair advantage gaining economic stability.

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2008.12.30 17:39:00 - [2676]
 

Originally by: Bruce Destro
i have a few things to say. first i believe that the isk on the 70 or however many accounts AND the isk in the corp wallets should be distributed to all affected players depending on how long their accounts have been active during the exploit and to the total numbers of non trial accounts that were active for a certain peroid or longer during the exploit. im sure the isk will total in the billions. distributing this fairly to these members maybe difficult. but i see it as the only way to make it up to use who have had an unfair advantage gaining economic stability.


Actually that would balance it out. You offset the 0 cost product with 0 cost isk to those effected.

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.31 10:56:00 - [2677]
 

Posting in a threadnaught.

Blonde Shopper
Posted - 2009.01.01 01:47:00 - [2678]
 

Edited by: Blonde Shopper on 01/01/2009 01:47:32
New page for the new year? Perhaps in more ways than 1...Cool

Or... Maybe not, same old, same old...

JagdWulfe
Posted - 2009.01.01 10:53:00 - [2679]
 

Originally by: Krep
I've always objected to companies banning players for taking advantage of something the company in question broke in the first place. This is a game, not an online test of morality. If you find an exploit, fix it. Banning players doesn't reduce the damage and only introduces a small "now you know what happens to players to use exploits" element.

Just be quiet and fix your bugs/exploits and don't pretend this requires a glorified CSI:Eve Online investigation to cover up the fact that you let a major exploit exist for years. Do your job.


I have to respectfully disagree. Finding an exploit you should as a player report this. It is no different than the idiots that play BF2 and hide in bushes and such so they are unkillable. I have no pity on the people that got caught and they should be shamed publiclly.

mythpilot
Posted - 2009.01.01 20:06:00 - [2680]
 

i agree with the guy above meLaughing (Happy New Year keep the threadnought STRONG)

Quantum Pyre
Posted - 2009.01.02 20:38:00 - [2681]
 

Edited by: Quantum Pyre on 02/01/2009 20:45:25
Edited by: Quantum Pyre on 02/01/2009 20:39:59
I don't exactly understand what they were making, minerals? Then high end goods? I've noticed mineral prices have been low. I've been training for tech 2 manufacture, that's a lot of training. Seems to be a profit in tech 2 items. Will the market price for the high tech items, needed for manufacturing, that I have been observing, go up and make that all moot?
I haven't got a clue how they did this. ie click this button, then that...? I don't know, if I found that happening, whether I would worry, I'd probably keep doing it. But I don't steal or rip of other players. I don't attack weaker opponents, I'm not a pirate.
I hope no good, innocent ppl got caught up. Ppl who spend hundreds of hours and isk helping and building their corp, unaware...
I think we need more information!

"Destroying starbases", but they said they're still investigating. Shouldn't that be done after an investigation?
Sorry, I worry sometimes, I'm enjoying this game, I'm investing a great deal too much time playing it. In a year or five it could just disappear, **** happens. BUT I DON'T WANT THE THREAT OF AN ARBITRARY CCP CLOSING MY ACCOUNT!
My initial thought is a trial, we need more information! Not like a real world trial. A fact finding. Then a survey... vote?

And while I'm on the subject of a negative attitude:
The text "select one item", using 'autolink', should be green, not red;
When I select a destination, again, I want it to say "destination confirmed", NOT "You can not select the same destination twice", plz. I don't like my computer giving me 'attitude'.Cool

Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
Posted - 2009.01.03 09:01:00 - [2682]
 

so when will ccp compensate all of eve for this ??? it had impact on all of us.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.01.03 12:07:00 - [2683]
 

Originally by: Anglo
so when will ccp compensate all of eve for this ??? it had impact on all of us.

"Compensate" how? Should CCP dupe a few billion ISK for every character in the game? I hear printing vast sums of money is a great solution to all economic problems, c/d?

The damage is done, the only thing CCP can do is fix the code which allowed the exploit (which it seems they have done) and make sure it doesn't happen again.

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2009.01.03 16:48:00 - [2684]
 

My understanding is that the POS basically ran for free without fuel costs. Odds are unless you had access to these POS's you don't have to worry.

The reality is these are mostly alt chars in alt corps.. these are alts from some of the largest corps in game... used alts so CCP can create plausible deniability about this 100% intended flaw.

The impact is staggering.. some prices have risen as much as 50%

It would be easy to CCP to offset this problem. Calculate the illegal material in game as a percentage of the whole. Distribute equally among all active players this same % of isk. It would take time.. but it would ultimately balance out.

CCP should 1) fire their economist 2) fire the coder 3) ban everyone directly involved.

CCP will 1) ban alts but not the mains 2) find a new way for the major corps to exploit the game so they can fund these massive wars to continue rather than allow these major corps to lose their foothold in low/no sec..

In essence we are talking about a USA big 3 auto bail out being kept under the rug..

Xarosa
Minmatar
Red.
Posted - 2009.01.04 08:37:00 - [2685]
 

Originally by: URUS FORGE
My understanding is that...
<SNIP!>


Enough of this bulls**t!

Do you happen to know the meaning of libel, slander, vilification, disambiguation and defamation?

You sure say a lot but your words mean nothing without evidence. I suggest you keep your opinion(s) to yourself because that's all they are! Are you one of those involved in the moongate scandal and annoyed that you got caught, so you're starting a contemptuous smear campaign against ccp? Sure sounds like it to me. Petulant fool. Neutral

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2009.01.04 16:05:00 - [2686]
 

Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: URUS FORGE
My understanding is that...
<SNIP!>


Enough of this bulls**t!

Do you happen to know the meaning of libel, slander, vilification, disambiguation and defamation?

You sure say a lot but your words mean nothing without evidence. I suggest you keep your opinion(s) to yourself because that's all they are! Are you one of those involved in the moongate scandal and annoyed that you got caught, so you're starting a contemptuous smear campaign against ccp? Sure sounds like it to me. Petulant fool. Neutral


Ya I am in on it .. you got me... thats why I want all the people involved banned. That is why I want CCP to be completely transparent. You have exposed my mastermind plot.

Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.

Lets put the known pieces together

1-4 years of free fuel to MM and run several stations.

70 banned people (easily these are all over 1 year chars, and definatly alts to be able to pull this off. You don't just come in EvE as a noob and know how to set up a station and figure all this out your 1st year, let alone be allowed to have a station in low/nosec without any of the big 3 knowing about it or approving it)

CCP claims stations destroyed.. but offers no locations as to hide possible knowlededge of which of these major corps are involved?

The question begs.. why is CCP protecting these players and corps? What does CCP gain or lose by not being 100% transparent?

Every player of EvE not involved in this should be outraged. Your isk value has just declined, and it is going to be even more difficult to climb the ladder ..unless? you trade more GTCs? hmmmm?? and who would benefit from that? lets see.. not you... not me.. I wonder?.. it certianly is a mystery..

I can tell you with 99.9% certianty that either a) you have to hack the client side b) actually have programmed in this so-called "exploit" from CCPs side..

Odds of someone hacking a client like EvEs without CCP knowing for 1-4 years of patches and updates < 0

We now know for 100% fact the much hailed economist of EvE is a hack at best since he can't even see the obvious balance of fuel costs vs materials produced. Or he simply ignored them .. either way his credability is shot.

We know for a fact that illegal isk sellers are now offering GTCs at discounted prices. I find it very hard to believe that CCP somehow is in the dark and can't sew up all the illegal isk and now GTCs..

EvE is straight spread sheet stuff.. Everything from mining, salvaging to manufacturing is easily tracked.


Ok now follow closely I don't want to lose you here..because these are the absolutes we are left with.

a) CCP or individuals within CCP knew about it all the way from the start and have made gain from it

b) CCPs coders and economists are complete novice hacks who can't even see the most basic flaws of the game

Now which one of these seems more plausible? If you need help.. ask these guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcR-DQpuorE

Xarosa
Minmatar
Red.
Posted - 2009.01.04 21:59:00 - [2687]
 

Originally by: URUS FORGE
Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.


I'm talking about EvE issues not legal issues. Take, for example, the forum rules.

Quote:
EVE Forum Rules

The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community. In order to maintain order and a sense of community, all users should read and follow these conditions. By participating in the forum, users are affirming their willingness to comply with these terms. This memorandum has been created to provide you with information about what you can expect here, what is expected of you, and to answer some questions you may have in your use of the EVE Online forums.


I believe you are well and truely in violation of Rule 5:

Quote:
5. Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.


You have clearly NOT adhered to the Eve forum rules because you are ranting and raving (venting anger, inciting rebellion, etc.) about the same issue(s) in EVERY post you make!

I sincerely hope CCP read this! Mad

Rancideous
Posted - 2009.01.05 03:22:00 - [2688]
 

When do you think CCP is going to provide information about this topic? It's going on three to four weeks now. I hope they aren't trying to sweep it under the rug... ugh

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2009.01.05 06:02:00 - [2689]
 

Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: URUS FORGE
Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.


I'm talking about EvE issues not legal issues. Take, for example, the forum rules.

Quote:
EVE Forum Rules

The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community. In order to maintain order and a sense of community, all users should read and follow these conditions. By participating in the forum, users are affirming their willingness to comply with these terms. This memorandum has been created to provide you with information about what you can expect here, what is expected of you, and to answer some questions you may have in your use of the EVE Online forums.


I believe you are well and truely in violation of Rule 5:

Quote:
5. Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.


You have clearly NOT adhered to the Eve forum rules because you are ranting and raving (venting anger, inciting rebellion, etc.) about the same issue(s) in EVERY post you make!

I sincerely hope CCP read this! Mad


Well 1st off I have called no one a "fool" as you have done.. I prefer to explain in rigid detail what I see.. and what is clearly plausible and more than likely fact. 2nd .. they will see it. I reported your post ;)

I have mearly laid out the facts which were given and connected the dots.. being someone who worked closely with programmers in the old days of UT mods.. You could say I have some insider experience.

Lastly.. I have every right to be angry. How I express that anger is a different matter!

I am a paying CUSTOMER of a PRODUCT .. and I can and will expect a certian level of QUALITY of product & service as well as performance of said product.

Lets say you are correct, they knew nothing.. then CCP is basically a buncha people who have no idea about what is really going on in their game. They have put up a huge front, and the exposure of this so-called "exploit" has proven that point with out a shadow of a doubt.. there is no way this can be argued if you are correct.

Now from my perspective.. I am giving CCP (or someone at CCP) credit for having the brains to pull this kinda wool over the our eyes for 1-4 years. What I lay out is actually a smart albeit devious way to get more cash flow.

I think dear sir, you forget that CCP is here to make money.. and this whole fiasco will make them more. Isk has been devalued throughout the entire game .. you can clearly see it with the prices that have risen. Now this means more work for some.. and more purchase of GTCs for others.

If you would like to dispute an actual point I have made with some valid evidence of even plain logic. I am more than open minded to listen to rational debate. In fact.. I would love to be proven wrong.

I think the only people I have thrown stones at, are the people I am paying for this game. And that is a right every customer has when they are not satisfied.

Cheers!

Kaptain Kruncher
Posted - 2009.01.05 08:03:00 - [2690]
 

Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.

Forum Chav
Posted - 2009.01.05 11:21:00 - [2691]
 

Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.


ouch. Shocked

lmao

Esha Latang
Posted - 2009.01.05 11:53:00 - [2692]
 

Imho if the exploit was there then they shouldn't have been punished for using it. If you discover one day that your ISK doubles by undocking, targeting a sentry gun, then redocking, what are you gonna do? Go run to CCP and tell them its happening? No, you're gonna keep doing it. The level of technology used to make Eve just means someone isn't doing their job correctly if things are allowed to continue.

Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.

Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.

However, if these exploits were used by developers who knew about them, then they should face a ban and dismissal from CCP. Imho I don't think developers (or anyone who works for CCP) should be permitted to have a standard player account. That would put an end to the real exploiters, and those with the clear advantage on the game.

Nik W
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:55:00 - [2693]
 

Originally by: Esha Latang
Imho if the exploit was there then they shouldn't have been punished for using it. If you discover one day that your ISK doubles by undocking, targeting a sentry gun, then redocking, what are you gonna do? Go run to CCP and tell them its happening? No, you're gonna keep doing it. The level of technology used to make Eve just means someone isn't doing their job correctly if things are allowed to continue.

Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.

Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.

However, if these exploits were used by developers who knew about them, then they should face a ban and dismissal from CCP. Imho I don't think developers (or anyone who works for CCP) should be permitted to have a standard player account. That would put an end to the real exploiters, and those with the clear advantage on the game.


There's a fairly large difference between a noob miner getting double yield and this exploit. If you are able to set up a POS in 0.0 and keep it there for any sort of reasonable time, you are decidedly not a noob.

These guys knew what they were doing. They knew it was cheating. CCP should track down all their alts, ban their credit card numbers, and make it as hard as possible for them to return. If they work for CCP they should be fired.

No sympathy for blatant cheaters.

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2009.01.05 18:02:00 - [2694]
 

ah! the famous Troll defense! When you absolutely no basis for why you dislike someone's idea or opinion.. call them a troll..

Played like a true master. It's right up there with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5dt_PK_7c

Dr Westler
Posted - 2009.01.05 20:04:00 - [2695]
 

Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.


Er... lol n00b?

I don't really know what else to say, since your post is pathetic at best and more akin to a troll than to what you refer.

Irony at its best.

Xarosa
Minmatar
Red.
Posted - 2009.01.05 21:53:00 - [2696]
 

Originally by: Esha Latang
Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.

Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.


I disagree. CCP do state that those found making use of exploits within EvE will be punished (see here) and appeal to all players who discover such exploits to contact them (see here). With this in mind, to further benefit the entire game universe, these exploits should be reported instead of taken advantage of. It's the players fault for making use of an exploit in EvE, not CCP's fault for overlooking a problem with their game code.

We all know what will happen if we get caught cheating, so why do it in the first place? Stands to reason and should be common sense. Wink

URUS FORGE
Caldari
THE TRUST INCORPORATED
Posted - 2009.01.06 00:21:00 - [2697]
 

Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: Esha Latang
Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.

Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.


I disagree. CCP do state that those found making use of exploits within EvE will be punished (see here) and appeal to all players who discover such exploits to contact them (see here). With this in mind, to further benefit the entire game universe, these exploits should be reported instead of taken advantage of. It's the players fault for making use of an exploit in EvE, not CCP's fault for overlooking a problem with their game code.

We all know what will happen if we get caught cheating, so why do it in the first place? Stands to reason and should be common sense. Wink



The fact that CCP makes an attempt to seek out cheaters does not preclude CCP from being involved in "exploits" that would benefit them. The measure is not what has been done, but what is done by CCP this time and the next. Their EULA much like most games.. gives them pretty broad and flexible options, where we the customer are left with only a few options.

But ok..lets give it the benefit of the doubt for a second..lets just say that these 70 people are not alts of any of the big 3..they put up multiple stations and somehow kept a stationary object out of the the big 3 corps cross hairs.. they had no probs with marauding pirates in all that time..the coders honestly missed this "bug" through the 30 odd patches a year x 1-4 years.. Let us say that all that is the truth.

We are still left with one hard fact. Anyone who can balance a checkbook would have been able to see the huge discrepancy of fuel consumed vs produced materials.


Plundaar
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.01.06 02:22:00 - [2698]
 

http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2608&tid=1

Read the update.

1: they're looking at starbase data to determine who has been exploiting and for how long. I can only hope that this includes direct trades to primary characters who use said materials.

2: Holiday vacations? Why do we need to know you're going to stop to take a vacation? Did they return to the case or not?

3: Old petitions are accessable? They can't find it, please petition? Well if the account is banned how would they do that?

4: We haven't seen any new updates on this even if we were promised them since 12/19/2008 Hopefully we'll get one after a month of investigation has completed.

5: Nobody knew about it? I thought that some dev's were in some of the corps out there... Are you sure that no csm and dev were in those corps?

6: Updates prior to conclusion would be a must here.

Mint Royale
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.01.06 05:22:00 - [2699]
 

Originally by: Plundaar


5: Nobody knew about it? I thought that some dev's were in some of the corps out there... Are you sure that no csm and dev were in those corps?




Everybody knows that all the Devs are playing in BoB - and as BoB didn't exploit the Ferrogel-POS-thingy CCP didn't find out until now :P

Rob Helle
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.06 08:17:00 - [2700]
 

Urus,

Good conspiracy theory but a bit flawed. If CCP wanted to make more money the could A) increase subscriptions or B) Program a method of introducing ISK into the game that users couldn't see or make the method legal (they set the rules). Both of these would be much easier than creating an exploit that users could see and have concerns about. This at best is poor programming and failure of quality control at worst an individual programmer trying to make money and I'm sure CCP will act accordingly if it is.

Esha,

I agree that CCP employees should not have normal access to tranquility especially the developers, it is open to abuse. On the other side of the coin just because you are an employee of a company should you be banned from using that product, I'm an employee of a car company and it would be a pain if I wasn't allowed to purchase the product. I'm not sure what the solution is for this.


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