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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:20:00 - [601]
 

Originally by: Reality G one

I've tried almost every program I could find on the forums but none seem to do what I simply want.


Welcome to my little "How to ask questions right" course.

1) When asking questions, key is to be as precise as possible. So instead of writing "almost every program" you'd list the applications you already tried and which didn't do what you want/the way you want it. This saves yourself and others the time of recommending tools you already tried out.

2) And instead of "[...] but none seem to do what I simply want", you also state what application A did, what you didn't like/want about the way it did the job. On top of that, describe how you'd like the application to handle that case.

3) Bonus points for contacting the developers and dropping them a short note along the lines of "Hi, I just tried your <x>, was looking after <thing>, but only found your tool to do <other thing>. Did I miss something? If not, you might want to consider adding this in an upcoming release of your tool."

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2011.06.14 16:32:00 - [602]
 

What is special about the 14th of June?

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2011.06.14 16:58:00 - [603]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
What is special about the 14th of June?

On the 14th of June, 1789, the Reverend Elijah Craig first produced whiskey distilled from corn. It was called bourbon because Craig lived in Bourbon County, Kentucky. (According to Wikipedia.)

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.06.15 02:00:00 - [604]
 

When is Eve going to work?

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2011.06.15 03:37:00 - [605]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
What is special about the 14th of June?



My birthday IRL! What did you get me?

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:44:00 - [606]
 

Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
My birthday IRL! What did you get me?

*snip* That wasn't really appropriate. Spitfire

Jupix
Minmatar
MuroBBS United
Posted - 2011.06.17 19:36:00 - [607]
 

What the hell is happening to technetium? 13 % drop in less than a month! Why?

Someone dumped almost 100B worth of it on the market one day, but other than that, it's just been falling day in and day out, no idea why.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:28:00 - [608]
 

Originally by: Jupix
What the hell is happening to technetium? 13 % drop in less than a month! Why?

Someone dumped almost 100B worth of it on the market one day, but other than that, it's just been falling day in and day out, no idea why.


New expansion means a potential moon rebalance; if one did drop, and tech was nerfed, its value would dump fast. People are panic selling because a CCP employee noted the moons needed to be rebalanced with a tech nerf "soon" in alliance tournament.

Meuterer
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:18:00 - [609]
 

Is there some good article/post/guide/discussion on how to analyze the price history tab. something like this this, but maybe a bit more detailed / expressing alternative methods etc.

Dark Inkura
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:54:00 - [610]
 

Edited by: Dark Inkura on 23/06/2011 23:54:59
Edited by: Dark Inkura on 23/06/2011 23:54:43
When looking at the market table view what do the "Orders" and "Quantity" tabs specify. Is it the number of buy orders that have been filled and the number of sell orders that have been bought from or something else?

Thanks.

Enoch Schuldenberg
Posted - 2011.06.24 22:02:00 - [611]
 

Edited by: Enoch Schuldenberg on 24/06/2011 22:02:32
Originally by: Dark Inkura
Edited by: Dark Inkura on 23/06/2011 23:54:59
Edited by: Dark Inkura on 23/06/2011 23:54:43
When looking at the market table view what do the "Orders" and "Quantity" tabs specify. Is it the number of buy orders that have been filled and the number of sell orders that have been bought from or something else?

Thanks.


It's a sum of both buy order and sell transactions (not orders) executed. It's all transactions that actually happened, how many of them were on the sell side, how many on the buy side - there is no way to tell for sure. However, under rules of supply and demand, if the average price (yellow dot on the history tab) is closer to the upper limits, you can safely assume that those were the sell orders filled in and vice versa.

FearNo Evil
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:32:00 - [612]
 

First time posting, "How does a bond work exactly?"

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:02:00 - [613]
 

Originally by: FearNo Evil
First time posting, "How does a bond work exactly?"


It depends on the particular bond but in general MD bonds work like this:

Someone makes a "bond opening" post with conditions, interest %, length, and so on. People then reserve as much of the bond as they want or are allowed depending on the bond. When the bond is full, a "send isk" post will be made, at which point you should send the isk you pledged.

What happens from then, depends on the bond. Hopefully you will get your principal plus interest at some point in the future, but people DO scam from time to time.

And, thats about it.

If you are thinking about investing, I recommend you do your homework and look up the person you are investing on, their posting history, their NAV, etc etc etc.

But really if someone wants to keep your money, they will. Make sure you trust the person you send isk too. There ARE scammers here and there and investing should NOT be done lightly.

That is just my opinion though.

FearNo Evil
Posted - 2011.06.29 04:07:00 - [614]
 

Thank You I appreciate your help

Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:42:00 - [615]
 

There's something in the markets that I don't seem to get. Take PLEX for example. I would assume that everybody would just keep 0.01 isking themselves. However plex rised over 25 million in a matter of days. (lotso 0.01 isking). How is this possible, unless numerous people for numerous times placed orders for millions more than normally?

Tekota
The Freighter Factory
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:11:00 - [616]
 

Originally by: Chevalleis
unless numerous people for numerous times placed orders for millions more than normally?


In most instances it's just this.

As to why, well the reasons could be numerous:

Folks not wanting to constantly 0.01 isk so assume if they put their order out there by a few million other traders will let that order fill rather than follow it and reduce their margins.
Folks could be wanting to purposely change a perceived price point of an item because they have nefarious plans.
They might want to drive a competitor out of a market by destroying margins as a loss leader for future exploitation.
They might be doing it for giggles.
Or they may have made a typo and set a sell order at buy order price (or vice versa).

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:02:00 - [617]
 

Originally by: Chevalleis
There's something in the markets that I don't seem to get. Take PLEX for example. I would assume that everybody would just keep 0.01 isking themselves. However plex rised over 25 million in a matter of days. (lotso 0.01 isking). How is this possible, unless numerous people for numerous times placed orders for millions more than normally?


If you want to increase the price of something you can do so by setting up orders 500 k or 1 m apart and hoping the market follows. There are numerous reasons to do this, for example, you may hope people won't follow such an increase, or you may have a stock of an item you are planning to dump on the increased buy orders.

Plex is a high volume good and several people buying at once will raise the price quickly as sell orders are usually separated by x amount of isk and are for relatively few units.

SquirrelWizard
Posted - 2011.07.05 03:29:00 - [618]
 

Edited by: SquirrelWizard on 05/07/2011 03:31:27
I'm looking to get into trading, and one of the things I foresee that I'm going to have to do is set up courier contracts to transport goods over vast(and some not so vast) distances. My question involves finding a fair payment per jump (assuming its all through highsec)for these contracts.

edit: I have seen the post for Red Frog Freight, but based on the info given in it, they're more oriented at large capacity courier contracts rather than the small capacity contracts I'd be making. Their prices would basically ruin my bussiness plan.

Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 04:36:00 - [619]
 

Originally by: SquirrelWizard
Their prices would basically ruin my bussiness plan.


If i was you, i would lowball the reward untill you find the minimum ppl will accept, there is no rules to this. Start very low, if no-one takes it increase it slightly. Freighters waste money with half empty loads.

If you can't afford the premium courier's charge, but can afford the wait for the goods, do this.

Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:07:00 - [620]
 

Originally by: SquirrelWizard

edit: I have seen the post for Red Frog Freight, but based on the info given in it, they're more oriented at large capacity courier contracts rather than the small capacity contracts I'd be making. Their prices would basically ruin my bussiness plan.


You could take a look at Universal Railways (I think they are still going) to see if they are more in your price range

Universal Railways


Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.05 16:00:00 - [621]
 

Question: How much should I ask for in an initial loan for a semi-first time poster to MD? And what is a reasonable interest rate? The loan term is going to be 1-2 months.

Background: I am returning to Eve after an absence, and need to jump-start my trading business. I want to expand it greatly, but don't want to risk too much money (especially other people's) while I shake off the cobwebs of 6 months of inactivity. I've used up much of my liquid assets to buy a PLEX, and while I'll have some more coming up liquid soon, I'm sitting doing nothing with a lot of my potential buying/selling capacity due to lack of funds.

500m would set me up pretty right now, 1b would be great, but I'm worried it would be too much for a first timer.

My past business experiences have been varied, but successful. I have run an overly sucessful standing service that gave me so much work I got burned out, and have been doing this trading thing to keep my account solvent and buy fun stuff for a while before quitting last time.

Regarding the interest rate question, I have a capital cargo bay BPO that I will have to sell in case the whole thing goes south to repay the loan. I don't want to give it to a third party, but am not sure if it counts as a collateralized loan if I am not giving it over as collateral. Any input on this?

Thanks.

Tekota
The Freighter Factory
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:42:00 - [622]
 

Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".

analtanalt
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:20:00 - [623]
 

Originally by: Tekota
Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".


Thanks for the reply. Part of the debate I'm having in taking out this loan revolves around that BPO. I am not fully certain I want to keep it, so selling it outright will net be probably a billion isk give or take...but I don't want to get rid of it as it is a nice BPO.

I've got some thinking to do....thanks for the advice.

analtanalt
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:58:00 - [624]
 

Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: Tekota
Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".


Thanks for the reply. Part of the debate I'm having in taking out this loan revolves around that BPO. I am not fully certain I want to keep it, so selling it outright will net be probably a billion isk give or take...but I don't want to get rid of it as it is a nice BPO.

I've got some thinking to do....thanks for the advice.


No matter how many times I try to check it, I always post under that stupid corp-holding alt.

Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:28:00 - [625]
 

Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: Tekota
Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".


Thanks for the reply. Part of the debate I'm having in taking out this loan revolves around that BPO. I am not fully certain I want to keep it, so selling it outright will net be probably a billion isk give or take...but I don't want to get rid of it as it is a nice BPO.

I've got some thinking to do....thanks for the advice.


No matter how many times I try to check it, I always post under that stupid corp-holding alt.


*facepalm*

Serene Python
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:01:00 - [626]
 

Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: Tekota
Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".


Thanks for the reply. Part of the debate I'm having in taking out this loan revolves around that BPO. I am not fully certain I want to keep it, so selling it outright will net be probably a billion isk give or take...but I don't want to get rid of it as it is a nice BPO.

I've got some thinking to do....thanks for the advice.


No matter how many times I try to check it, I always post under that stupid corp-holding alt.


Why don't you just embrace it? Let analtanalt be you're MD posting character?

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:09:00 - [627]
 

Originally by: Tekota

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.




Thanks for the ad! Yes, I still offer this service. If anyone is interested just get in touch and we can hammer out the (pretty straightforward) details.

Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:22:00 - [628]
 

Originally by: Serene Python
Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: analtanalt
Originally by: Tekota
Wouldn't be a collateralised loan if you kept hold of it. Collateral is basically there to ensure that if you did a runner with the cash there would be something of equal value to sell off to cover the loss.

Now BPOs typically make excellent collateral for two reasons. Firstly they're a sensible collateral in that it would normally take some time to replace the print to research levels you like, secondly you can make use of them while they're held. There are (used to be) several people set up to hold the BPO as collateral while allowing you to produce from it. Think RAW23 used to do such a thing but I've not paid attention recently.

Obviously if someone else is holding collateral you have to trust them to not run off with it and the investors need to trust that the person holding it will liquidate and return their funds if you bail out on the loan.

As to interest rates, for a collateralised offering you'll probably get away with 3% per month, maybe a bit more if you want it to fill faster. For an uncollaterlised offering many factors come into play - investors are primarily concerned with the risk of you doing a runner, a higher interest rate is likely needed then to weigh against that concern, but if there is a bad feeling about you, your risk, your history then no amount of interest will overcome that concern. And of course too high a rate also makes things look suspicious. At a *very* rough guess I'd suspect 5-7% per month might fill if all history checks out and you pass the MD Trial By Fire.

The MD Trial By Fire - to allay fears about risk be prepared to answer some questioning, rather intense and accusatory at times. One thing that will almost certainly come up will be "you got burnt out and quit before - what are the chances of you doing the same again whilst this loan is running?".


Thanks for the reply. Part of the debate I'm having in taking out this loan revolves around that BPO. I am not fully certain I want to keep it, so selling it outright will net be probably a billion isk give or take...but I don't want to get rid of it as it is a nice BPO.

I've got some thinking to do....thanks for the advice.


No matter how many times I try to check it, I always post under that stupid corp-holding alt.


Why don't you just embrace it? Let analtanalt be you're MD posting character?


Now you've done it....she's doomed to be melted once the bond I have up is done....to be replaced with rectalbrownalt.

Another serious question:

Is it worth trying to run a third party service if you have no intention of aiding in transfers of capital ships? Is there a market for sub-capital third party services? What is a reasonable price to charge for such a thing?

Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
Posted - 2011.07.08 05:11:00 - [629]
 

To run a third-party service requires the runner to have a high level of trust. Also, third party services aren't limited to ships. They also do collateral-holding and even sometimes run online websites. For the price, I have no idea.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.08 10:46:00 - [630]
 

Originally by: Tigerras


Another serious question:

Is it worth trying to run a third party service if you have no intention of aiding in transfers of capital ships? Is there a market for sub-capital third party services? What is a reasonable price to charge for such a thing?


There is certainly a market for third party services outside of supercap transfers as bonds, loans, lotteries, bets and such like all need securing. I'm not sure whether it is something worth aiming at as a goal, though. You are unlikely to make huge amounts of isk from it but the isk you do make will be fairly low effort and it is the low effort that is the attraction. But getting yourself to a position where people trust you sufficiently to engage your services would not be low effort if pursued purely for the goal of becoming a third party. Really, getting asked to do third party work tends to be a side-effect of doing something else (like running bonds or lotteries) that involves being trusted with isk. As to costs, it varies depending on the jobbut as an example I might charge 100mil per month for securing a bond with an arrangement that will require me to put an alt into a corp as CEO.


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