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Jock Rockstrong
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:11:00 - [1]
 

I've been playing this game since June. While it is fun and all, I read these forums and feel like I am missing a vast majority of the game. My typical day involves logging in, messing around with finished production jobs and completed buy-orders for ore (I outproduce my mining), mine a little, and talk to anyone who happens to be online in my corp.

But there is so much more going on that I feel I am missing! How do I meet people willing to do things? I'll see 200 people in local and not one of them ever wants to chat it seems. How do I get in on the amazing politics that go on in 0.0 space? I'm afraid to even go to 0.4 space, since my skills are pretty much exclusively mining and production. I watch the alliance maps shift on a daily basis and think "wow, it must be neat to go on an offensive with/against Band Of Brothers", or "Hey, looks like such and such alliance finally took over another cluster into that other alliance's space!".

How the heck can I get in on all this excitement? I'm losing interest with this game because I feel like I am isolated from all the good stuff. I've had a lot of coffee and I'm rambling so I'll stop typing now.

Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:16:00 - [2]
 

Check which 0.0 alliances are recruiting. Don't expect to join a big one right away. Some may have a public channel you can hang out in to get to know the people. And ask yourself if production is what you want to continue doing in 0.0 or if you want to start training for pvp Smile

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:26:00 - [3]
 

As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.

These groups are often called "pets", althought this is often not just. "Junior Military ally" would probably be a better term.

'Pet' alliances/corps sometimes grow to become big league, but often don't. But even when they die, their better members get scooped up by other alliances.

For the record, if you:
--like to go on combat ops
--are patient (GOTTA be patient in 0.0...)
--Don't get Emo when you die because someone was stupid
--Don't get Emo when you die repeatedly due to other people's stupidity
--Can manage to fund your own ship supply
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you (In other words, can you run two accounts at once, so one account can scout for the second account....)

then yes, you'll do fine in the 0.0 warring empires.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:41:00 - [4]
 

" I'm afraid to even go to 0.4 space" <-- this is the problem.

There's plenty of room for miners in 0.0 btw... and it doesn't take very long to skill up for covops ships so you can go exploring on your own.

ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:48:00 - [5]
 

Joining a corp is 100% sure to get you involved in some way.

All I would suggest myself, is that you join a reasonably small corp to begin with, maybe 30-50 people, where you can get on a "first name" basis with the people, and build up your contact net in EVE. There are plenty of smaller corps involved in war campaigns all over EVE, even in the GBC if that's what you're into.

Being an open and socially inclined individual will obviously help.

Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.

These groups are often called "pets", althought this is often not just. "Junior Military ally" would probably be a better term.

'Pet' alliances/corps sometimes grow to become big league, but often don't. But even when they die, their better members get scooped up by other alliances.

For the record, if you:
--like to go on combat ops
--are patient (GOTTA be patient in 0.0...)
--Don't get Emo when you die because someone was stupid
--Don't get Emo when you die repeatedly due to other people's stupidity
--Can manage to fund your own ship supply
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you (In other words, can you run two accounts at once, so one account can scout for the second account....)

then yes, you'll do fine in the 0.0 warring empires.




Ok a question then: So it is encessary to get an alt to join 0.0? [for a one time flight you can after all use a Trial account to get you there but thats not useful if you really need the second account to be worthwhile down there.]

Dantes Revenge
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.27 10:59:00 - [7]
 

If you have implants and don't want to lose them, use a disposable alt to go scouting in lowsec. You'll see that, with a bit of cunning and experience, you can survive.

Alternatively, get yourself a jump clone and go scouting with that so your implants are safe in the other clone, just make sure you replace your medical clone if you get podded or you'll lose skill points.

Find a station close to your lowsec entry point that has a medical facility. Set up your medical clone to respawn there so you don't respawn 10 or more jumps away. Buy a cheap, fast frigate and fit it with basic T1 stuff to keep it cheap. Just don't stay in one place too long in lowsec and you'll be fine. Just remember that if you see someone and they have a big, mean looking ship, it's best that you weren't there any more.

Titan Pilot
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.
...



In all honesty, you are not going to penetrate the golden circle of Elitists unless you have something they want...

And that something is a certain type of Moon.

In other words, dont waste your time. It will end badly. Most of the 'other' alliances are alts of the main ones. Trust me I know.

Continue doing what you do, try checking out low sec a bit, maybe war dec a corp or two. That is EVE. Its just like RL.

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Orion GUardian
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.

These groups are often called "pets", althought this is often not just. "Junior Military ally" would probably be a better term.

'Pet' alliances/corps sometimes grow to become big league, but often don't. But even when they die, their better members get scooped up by other alliances.

For the record, if you:
--like to go on combat ops
--are patient (GOTTA be patient in 0.0...)
--Don't get Emo when you die because someone was stupid
--Don't get Emo when you die repeatedly due to other people's stupidity
--Can manage to fund your own ship supply
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you (In other words, can you run two accounts at once, so one account can scout for the second account....)

then yes, you'll do fine in the 0.0 warring empires.




Ok a question then: So it is encessary to get an alt to join 0.0? [for a one time flight you can after all use a Trial account to get you there but thats not useful if you really need the second account to be worthwhile down there.]



It is usually not 'required', but it helps MASSIVELY.

It is a simple fact of 0.0 that jumping blind in Battleships (and a lot of other slower ships) is 'eventually' suicide. Worse, not only do you die, your death encourages more hostile raiders in your space (assuming your death took place there...), and you also have to post a lose mail, which gives your enemies bragging rights.

And you will find that your corp mates do NOT like having to scout for you every time you undock.

If you live in frigates and Vagabonds (and know how to use them), and never fly battleships in 0.0, this is not a problem.

SPQRMocton
Minmatar
Vertigo Heavy Industries
Vertigo Coalition
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:22:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: SPQRMocton on 27/11/2008 13:06:17
Edited by: SPQRMocton on 27/11/2008 11:25:54

Look in the forums for recruiting corps and talk to the guys there ,

You don't have to have a battleship to be useful, a scrambling frig is way useful ,

AND be sure that you will die horribly at least 20 or more times till you get your tactics figured out , that is one for sure when your fresh to zero space , and it's just like sex your are only nervous till you've done it , after that it's easy

LOL "Junior military ally" INDEED !

JUST SAY IT ................MEAT SHIELD








Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Titan Pilot
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.
...



In all honesty, you are not going to penetrate the golden circle of Elitists unless you have something they want...

And that something is a certain type of Moon.

In other words, dont waste your time. It will end badly. Most of the 'other' alliances are alts of the main ones. Trust me I know.

Continue doing what you do, try checking out low sec a bit, maybe war dec a corp or two. That is EVE. Its just like RL.


So wrong it is not even funny, at least about what you need to join the major 0.0 groups.

The major 0.0 groups want reliable, level headed combat pilots who are also immune to Emo everytime spmething goes badly. Especially important is the ability to NOT go Emo when you die (repeatedly) because something stupid was done on your own side.

The big league 0.0 folks want:
--Reliable
--Level Headed
--mentally tough (able to take soul crushing defeats and keep going and LAUGH)

If the above describes you, if you are new to 0.0, you'll have to start in a 'pet' corp most likely. Over time, that pet corp will either become big league (unlikely), or die (probably), or linger on as a pet corp and you leave the corp for a more senior 0.0 corp (moderately common).

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: SPQRMocton
Edited by: SPQRMocton on 27/11/2008 11:25:54

Look in the forums for recruiting corps and talk to the guys there ,

You don't have to have a battleship to be useful, a scrambling frig is way useful ,

AND be sure that you will die horribly at least 20 or more times till you get your tactics figured out , that is one for sure when your fresh to zero space , and it's just like sex it you are only nervous till you've done it , after that it's easy

LOL "Junior military ally" INDEED !

JUST SAY IT ................MEAT SHIELD










Yep, that's right. You start out with the crappy jobs and work your way up. Just like RL.

Yaggher Xanuben
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.11.27 11:40:00 - [13]
 

You have to set your priorities first: do you want to PvP, do industry, whatnot.
Then you have to get over your fears. It's not THAT scary out there. A little scary must be, it grows your excitement, nothing is interesting if you can go though it while half sleep. You have to experience the feeling when escaping with a few mates from a gang of 50 deep in their space. And then you get intel there's an even bigger hostile fleet in your destination area... *fades into memories*
*ahem*
Then go look into the recruitment section on this forum. If you know which part of space you want to go into, find out what alliances/corporations live there. Try to pick some that seem to have same interests as you do, also try to find out their timezone (pretty important if you want an active social life). Contact their diplomats (or other members) and ask about joining. Prepare for denials. If one doesn't want you, ask if they can suggest some alternatives. Try not to look desperate and try not to ramble :)

Might take a while until you find what you like but it's well worth waiting :)

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.27 20:27:00 - [14]
 

u hsould blow up some ppl, flip soem cans first or whatever

Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Dusk Blade Logisitcals
Posted - 2008.11.27 21:37:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 27/11/2008 21:37:13
Quote:
For the record, if you:
--Don't mind mandatory combat ops being more important than the rest of your life.
--Enjoy being ordered to do the crap nobody else wants to do because it doesn't make ISK.
--Don't mind being served a bunch of wet excuses when blues blow up your ship
--Can engage *only* in mining and ratting to earn ISK
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you, because they're all AFK doing god knows what else, probably waiting for another 100 dyspro to drop into their silo


Fixed it for you

Rivur'Tam
Posted - 2008.11.27 22:47:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 27/11/2008 21:37:13
Quote:
For the record, if you:
--Don't mind mandatory combat ops being more important than the rest of your life.
--Enjoy being ordered to do the crap nobody else wants to do because it doesn't make ISK.
--Don't mind being served a bunch of wet excuses when blues blow up your ship
--Can engage *only* in mining and ratting to earn ISK
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you, because they're all AFK doing god knows what else, probably waiting for another 100 dyspro to drop into their silo


Fixed it for you



Proberly the most accurate post here but don't get me wrong you may love it.

I hate politics and that 0.0 crap, i just like to pew pew haulers and mining bardges then ransom the pods.

Really you should follow the advice and try out 0.0 when you get bored then come to low sec where the fun really starts.

People will flame me , but they know i'm right empire is full of carebears and 0.0 is full of blobs of carebears with a few exceptions, but trust me when that isk bug bites you your screwed.

Lilah Deveraux
Posted - 2008.11.27 23:12:00 - [17]
 

Try not to join a really wimpy outfit, if all they talk about is mining and how safe their space is stay away, you might be safe and sound for 2 years in their space but what story are you going to tell then?

And dont fly what you cant afford to lose, if you've got a bil or so i'd say stick to t1 battlecruisers and interceptors/assault frigs while you learn PVP (there is a lot less to learn nowdays... its just numbers)

Try to have money in the bank for 15x whatever you're flying into 0.0 while you're new, because you will die A LOT while you are learning, if you venture out on your own it will be a nice steep learning curve

(oh and learn to cloak, if you're not looking for a fight you should have a cloak on)

Foulque
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.11.27 23:56:00 - [18]
 

- Join a better, more PVP orientated corp.
- Your strong industry will do a brilliant job of keeping you in nice shiny ships as you get them blown up.
- Get over the fear of exiting High Sec. There are lots of tricks to survival. Low Sec is actually a pretty safe place if you know how to move around and alot more fun.
- Get out of High Sec
- Get out of High Sec
- Get out of High Sec

Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
Posted - 2008.11.28 00:00:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Alty MacAlterson on 28/11/2008 00:00:31
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
These groups are often called "pets", althought this is often not just. "Junior Military ally" would probably be a better term.

Quote:
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers

Higgs Foton
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.11.28 00:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jock Rockstrong
I've been playing this game since June. While it is fun and all, I read these forums and feel like I am missing a vast majority of the game. My typical day involves logging in, messing around with finished production jobs and completed buy-orders for ore (I outproduce my mining), mine a little, and talk to anyone who happens to be online in my corp.

But there is so much more going on that I feel I am missing! How do I meet people willing to do things? I'll see 200 people in local and not one of them ever wants to chat it seems. How do I get in on the amazing politics that go on in 0.0 space? I'm afraid to even go to 0.4 space, since my skills are pretty much exclusively mining and production. I watch the alliance maps shift on a daily basis and think "wow, it must be neat to go on an offensive with/against Band Of Brothers", or "Hey, looks like such and such alliance finally took over another cluster into that other alliance's space!".

How the heck can I get in on all this excitement? I'm losing interest with this game because I feel like I am isolated from all the good stuff. I've had a lot of coffee and I'm rambling so I'll stop typing now.


It was the politics which attracted me into 0.0. But you have to have a different mindset for it. When i started EVE i already ventured into low-sec in the first week. Offcourse i got popped mining Kernite in a trasher, but though it was quite the setback i also noticed the guy who shot me orbiting ar enormous speed. i convoed him, and asked him about his speed and learned about the MWD. He gave me 1 million ISK as well. Awfully nice.

After that i ventured into low sec more, and was offcourse very carefull. Fitting cloaks, making safespots and so on. But i am not really the pirate type, and if you are not that, low sec sucks. Too much risk for too little profit. I was in a little corp and that joined a little alliance who went on becoming a SMASH pet, and when that was arranged and SMASHKILL set us blue, i got into a ship, and flew through lowsec, and jumped the BWF gate in Oijanen, and saw the largest gatecamp ever. About 40 ships hanging on a bubbled gate, all blue to me. Then you realise that 0.0 is very different from the rest of EVE. The adventure was short there, because after a month we had to leave because alliance had it with SMASH demands, but i liked 0.0. And so the first opportunity to get into another 0.0 corp i grabbed.

But if you are part of a nice 0.0 alliance (be it pet or big boy) you are also part of something bigger. It really feels like you can contribute. The politics, the wars, the smacktalk, the roaming gangs, the gatecamps, and offcourse the rewards, because you can make big moniezz in 0.0. And lose them, And you have to get used to get ganked and lose ships on a regular basis.

But it is adventure as real as it can get in a MMO. If that is what you are looking for, by all means, sign up for a 0.0 corp. Though you might want to train up some fighting skills because every 0.0 alliance or corp expects their members to be able and willing to fight. Even at unfavorable odds. Just check out the recruitment forums, and go for the one you like best.

Shar'Tuk TheHated
Posted - 2008.11.28 00:07:00 - [21]
 

Train some combat skills and go get yourself blown up. Frigs are dirt cheap and don't forget its just pixels. If you want to get out to 0.0 you must understand there is no such thing as indy pilots, if the 0.0 alliance is going to be successful everyone must pitch in even if its just home defense. So a summery train some combat skills go into low sec and try to get yourself killed and get use to dying with some luck you will kill someone.

Janis Kallisti
Posted - 2008.11.28 08:21:00 - [22]
 

Phony post.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.11.28 12:11:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Jock Rockstrong
I've been playing this game since June. While it is fun and all, I read these forums and feel like I am missing a vast majority of the game. My typical day involves logging in, messing around with finished production jobs and completed buy-orders for ore (I outproduce my mining), mine a little, and talk to anyone who happens to be online in my corp.

But there is so much more going on that I feel I am missing! How do I meet people willing to do things? I'll see 200 people in local and not one of them ever wants to chat it seems. How do I get in on the amazing politics that go on in 0.0 space? I'm afraid to even go to 0.4 space, since my skills are pretty much exclusively mining and production. I watch the alliance maps shift on a daily basis and think "wow, it must be neat to go on an offensive with/against Band Of Brothers", or "Hey, looks like such and such alliance finally took over another cluster into that other alliance's space!".

How the heck can I get in on all this excitement? I'm losing interest with this game because I feel like I am isolated from all the good stuff. I've had a lot of coffee and I'm rambling so I'll stop typing now.


Message me in game and we can talk recruitment. We have moved closer to 0.0 and do regular ops and also are looking to expand out production side of our corporation. Might also have a POS in 0.0 soon.

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2008.11.28 13:02:00 - [24]
 

1. Get covert operations frigate.
2. Explore nullsec freely to your heart's content.
3. ???
4. Orgasm... I mean... profit!

Bloody Rabbit
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.11.28 13:41:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: LordSwift
Message me in game and we can talk recruitment. We have moved closer to 0.0 and do regular ops and also are looking to expand out production side of our corporation. Might also have a POS in 0.0 soon.


Who are you, and who is your alliance?

Might have a POS in 0.0 soon?

Dude, I'm a small corp and I have a small POS up in 0.0, but I use it as a staging area for my capital then put it down and move on.

To the OP, you need to travel to 0.0 in a covert ops, see the place, watch the macro ratters work and then see if you want to join up.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2008.11.28 13:46:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 28/11/2008 13:53:26

TBH, 0.0 life is exactly what you are doing now, only instead of doing a spot of mining, you'd do a spot of ratting or a couple of hours of roaming gangs.

Once in a while you might go on an organised op as well, but much of the game is just moving ships into position, tending market/manu/research jobs, spinning ship in station and talking to buddies in game

Edit: Oh and then you get attacked and you feel the pressure closing in on you. You start doing ops at obscure hours in the morning. Your work suffers and your friends tell you you're looking pale. You'll be panting in a cold sweat at 3am, eyes twitching waiting for a little more isk to drain from your wallet as you get blown up and recieve yet another conbat log entry and insurance payout

Then it all goes quiet again, and you're sat there in fear, waiting for the next order to move out.

Alternatively you join an alliance who are ludicrously rich and you've already been playing for 5 years and don't give a fudge if you trash some poor 3rd rate alliance, call it "triumph" and go back home to your empty shell of a home region populated by ghosts and GTC sellers

Edit: I also need coffee and like rambling :D

Edit2: I forgot to mention, the game comes alive when you set about with a group of friends finding a niche and trying to do something no one has done before in game, become a success as a team. That can mean joining a 0.0 alliance but doesn't have to, and not doing so presents a different set of opportunities and problems

Tappits
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.28 13:52:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Tappits on 28/11/2008 13:52:53
Originally by: Sergeant Spot

--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you (In other words, can you run two accounts at once, so one account can scout for the second account....)



Does that mean you HAVE to have alts to do anything in the 0.0 warring empires?
or is that just bob?
its an MMO but your saying you HAVE to have a load of alts to play which is just not true.

arr just read the rest of the topic and every one has said that.

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.11.28 14:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Jock Rockstrong
I've been playing this game since June. While it is fun and all, I read these forums and feel like I am missing a vast majority of the game. My typical day involves logging in, messing around with finished production jobs and completed buy-orders for ore (I outproduce my mining), mine a little, and talk to anyone who happens to be online in my corp.

But there is so much more going on that I feel I am missing! How do I meet people willing to do things? I'll see 200 people in local and not one of them ever wants to chat it seems. How do I get in on the amazing politics that go on in 0.0 space? I'm afraid to even go to 0.4 space, since my skills are pretty much exclusively mining and production. I watch the alliance maps shift on a daily basis and think "wow, it must be neat to go on an offensive with/against Band Of Brothers", or "Hey, looks like such and such alliance finally took over another cluster into that other alliance's space!".

How the heck can I get in on all this excitement? I'm losing interest with this game because I feel like I am isolated from all the good stuff. I've had a lot of coffee and I'm rambling so I'll stop typing now.


Either you do the right things and wait till the opportunity arise, or you can take the fast path: train to do lvl4 missions, get a lot of money, buy a good PvP char, try to get to a decent corp.

Those "big players" are there because they've been playing for many years. They've formed this "clubs" and they don't want you there, or in their space.

There are a lot of interesting things you can do in Eve without being another Big Name Alliance monkey. But the most important part is having fun. Try to play with friends, or make some friends in the game. Have a good time. You won't miss not being part in a big alliance.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.28 15:14:00 - [29]
 

When I read these threads, it is really amusing as to how many of these ridiculous misconceptions people have.

They take some alliances that have died from a horrible failure and attach that to every alliance. Guess what people, not every alliance works like AZN.

Also, if you think mining and ratting are the only two ways to make money in 0.0, then you're doing it wrong.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.28 20:24:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
As stated, look to joining some of the more opened 0.0 groups.

These groups are often called "pets", althought this is often not just. "Junior Military ally" would probably be a better term.

'Pet' alliances/corps sometimes grow to become big league, but often don't. But even when they die, their better members get scooped up by other alliances.

For the record, if you:
--like to go on combat ops
--are patient (GOTTA be patient in 0.0...)
--Don't get Emo when you die because someone was stupid
--Don't get Emo when you die repeatedly due to other people's stupidity
--Can manage to fund your own ship supply
--Can travel in 0.0 in a battleship WITHOUT needing another player help you (In other words, can you run two accounts at once, so one account can scout for the second account....)

then yes, you'll do fine in the 0.0 warring empires.



Not much better can be said then this.

So I will compund it with a quick story. I joined one of these so called Pets alliances. My corp had some of the most active PvP pilots in the alliance. I learned from them and got shot down by non other then pilots from my current corp and alliance.

So if you want to start down this path then follow Sergeant Spots recommendations and also a few skills you want to start training are your prefered frigate skill to lvl 5 and propulsion jamming. This will allow you to be productive in a fleet and start to learn the ropes of tackling, which is one of the foundations of PvP in EVE.


Slade


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