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Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:14:00 - [1]
 

Just curious. Lets say I got podded tommorw. (I'm just a 12mil SP Alt) and I had NO CLONE at all. Would I lose ALL my SP? A percentage, or how does it work. Someone asked in DCM chat today and no one really knew a definate answer. I'm curious to know the answer, but obviously I have a clone and will not test it out for myself Cool

Anyone know a definitive answer?

Rob Eagle
DEATHFUNK
Doctrine.
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:15:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Rob Eagle on 27/11/2008 01:15:37
-256,000 from your highest ranked level 5 skill.

Also, you always have a Clone Grade Alpha anyway :)

knifee
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:16:00 - [3]
 

You lose a percentage of the difference between your SP and your clone. The SPs come off your highest trained skill.

I cant remember the percentage though, I think its only 10%.

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:18:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:23:51
Ahh i see. was about to say 256,000 would be 10% of my Caldari Freighter skill at lvl 5 (rank 10). Doesn't seem that bad. Still lost time none the less. Something that can never be made up Razz

Edit : So what would happen if some uber 70mil SP character pulled a super fail and got podded with no clone?? If it a percentage system? I'm talking NO CLONE at all. Not even an under graded clone. A super fail you got podded yesterday and forgot to buy a new one fail and got podded again today before grabbing a new one.

Edit 2 : ahh didnt realize you always have a basic clone regardless. But still that only holds a couple mil no? (im not in a station with med bay to check) So if you had a clone that holds say 5mil. and got podded with 70 mil you would lose 10% of 65mil?

Shar'Tuk TheHated
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:30:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 27/11/2008 01:31:44
Originally by: Skylia
Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:23:51
Ahh i see. was about to say 256,000 would be 10% of my Caldari Freighter skill at lvl 5 (rank 10). Doesn't seem that bad. Still lost time none the less. Something that can never be made up Razz

Edit : So what would happen if some uber 70mil SP character pulled a super fail and got podded with no clone?? If it a percentage system? I'm talking NO CLONE at all. Not even an under graded clone. A super fail you got podded yesterday and forgot to buy a new one fail and got podded again today before grabbing a new one.

Edit 2 : ahh didnt realize you always have a basic clone regardless. But still that only holds a couple mil no? (im not in a station with med bay to check) So if you had a clone that holds say 5mil. and got podded with 70 mil you would lose 10% of 65mil?

If this happened I think the least of their worries is lost SP. That person might want to grab the helmet, they are about to miss the short bus... silly window licker..

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:34:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:37:30
Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Stuff


Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level.

Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus Razz

So can anyone actually give the definitive forumla Question Laughing

manfrog
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:48:00 - [7]
 

5 % of the highest ranking skill

had to retrain BS lv 5 28 days of it anyway to big of a hurry to get back into the fight :) oooops


Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:49:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 27/11/2008 01:49:43
It depends on what skills you have you. It maxes out at whatever % of your most valuable skill, i.e., took the most time. If you had Gallente Titan V trained, it would take off like a good chunk of skill points from level V. But that's it. I believe that's the highest skill multiplier in the game at X16. Once you reach a certain amount of SP its effect is pretty much the same no matter how many you how many more SP you have. They make sure the loss isn't too devastating.

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 01:55:00 - [9]
 

I see, thanks bunches. so a % of your top skill. Gotcha. Ugh i'd hate to lose a chunk of freighter 5. (my highest skill hehe) My lesson of the day is complete.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.27 02:03:00 - [10]
 

I'm........so.....startled.......


It's so furry!

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 02:11:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I'm........so.....startled.......


It's so furry!


Hey now ! Some of us have teeth ! I have 1900 sp in missiles and i'm looking for YOU ! YARRRR!!

Shar'Tuk TheHated
Posted - 2008.11.27 02:18:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Skylia
Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Stuff


Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level.

Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus Razz


What your asking about happened to this guy. Basically the goons told this guy he could join the goons. They killed him over and over at a outpost not allowing him to update his clone but tricking him to undock to get podded over and over. All this time they mocked him on T.S. There was a video of it not sure if its still up but may be in the thread. Goons being evil

Shar'Tuk TheHated
Posted - 2008.11.27 03:25:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 27/11/2008 18:51:12
Originally by: Skylia
Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:37:30
Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Stuff


Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level.

Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus Razz

So can anyone actually give the definitive forumla Question Laughing

Preview of a truly Extreme Epic Fail with Evil people.

Edit: I would like to add this video does have bad language so if that type of thing offends you please do not download it.

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.27 14:20:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Originally by: Skylia
Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:37:30
Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Stuff


Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level.

Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus Razz

So can anyone actually give the definitive forumla Question Laughing

Preview of a truly Extreme Epic Fail with Evil people.


"you guys are attacking me?"
"attacking? no!? should be armor repairing"

wow lol.

Shar'Tuk TheHated
Posted - 2008.11.27 18:04:00 - [15]
 

Yeah, though he SHOULD have known better. You still have to feel bad for the guy losing 1M SP.

CCP Prism X


Gallente
C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.27 18:07:00 - [16]
 

If you have more SPs than your current clone can handle and you are podded:
The difference between your clone and your current SP is calculated and you lose X% of the difference from your last trained skill.

Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.28 10:38:00 - [17]
 

so it's taken from the most recent skill trained and not the highest ranked? I also assume (bad word i know) X% = 10% of the difference as stated above?

Just curious of the exact mechanics is all. It shouldn't happen to me (at least I would think i'm smart enough for it not to Embarassed ) I hope..

Estel Arador
Posted - 2008.11.28 10:47:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Estel Arador on 29/11/2008 11:28:55
I thought it was 5% of the difference between your SP and the SP covered by the clone, taken from the skill you have most SP in; of course being contradicted by a dev makes me think I might be wrong.

Edit: my post was incomplete; fixed by adding the part in italics.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2008.11.28 10:52:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Shadowsword on 28/11/2008 10:52:29
It happened to me once, years ago, and I lost 5% SP.


You'll forgive me if I don't try it again to check if it's still the same amount. :p

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:08:00 - [20]
 

It was
5% of the difference between what your clone covers and what you have taken from the highest ranked skill you have - not exceeding 1 level of the skill.
however since PrismX has spoken then maybe it has changed ...
I'll do a test on Sisi


Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:12:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 28/11/2008 11:14:14
Current SP minus Clone SP is answer.

Take 5% of answer and substract this from the skill with the most skillpoints, but don't take more than 50% of those skillpoints.

Been using this to confirm people's SP loss for the past 2 years and it was accurate to the minute.

Edit: For the most people it turns out their max skill loss is 1,024,000 of the Battleship skill which is 15 to 20 days of training.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:33:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Washell Olivaw

Current SP minus Clone SP is answer.

Take 5% of answer and substract this from the skill with the most skillpoints, but don't take more than 50% of those skillpoints.

Been using this to confirm people's SP loss for the past 2 years and it was accurate to the minute.


A quick test on sisi =

5% of (Current SP - Clone SP) taken from the Skill with the most SP

this can equal more than 50% of the Skill
i.e. my industrial alt lost 97.5k from Advanced Mass production 5 taking it to 42% Done

now I don't think I can arrange it so that I an loose more than 1 level ...

Krystal Demishy
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
you lose X%


X% ?? Rolling Eyes

How is that one calculated?
How can i know the value of 'my' x ?

Rolling Eyes

Darth Vaders
Caldari
Divine Slaves
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:48:00 - [24]
 

I ll give you an example of a situation i witnessed long time ago at 00. There was a guy in our sector that said he had bought a character from E bay and that he had a Thanatos of which he ignored the value at that point and that last night he had lost it and that he just wanted to be left to go to a safer sector but he was trapped in the middle of 00. After countless of questions we realised he had no clone and in case of a podding he was revived into our station but he wasn't able to use the medical service so to be transfered to a safer system or upgrade his clone.

So what happens in that situation? Is there no way for such a player to be transfered in empire somehow? Cause as things were described to me he would get Poded and be revived into OE-4HB station only to find out he can't use the medical service there so to transfer his next clone to somewhere safer....

Any clues?

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:56:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS

A quick test on sisi =

5% of (Current SP - Clone SP) taken from the Skill with the most SP

this can equal more than 50% of the Skill
i.e. my industrial alt lost 97.5k from Advanced Mass production 5 taking it to 42% Done

now I don't think I can arrange it so that I an loose more than 1 level ...


It's a rank 8 skill, so I assume you mean 975k sp. Capped at 50% means you can't lose more than 1024k sp when it's fully trained. If you lose 1024k you end up at 39% trained to level V. Running the same math for 975k gives me 42% done for level V.

You're thinking 50% of skill level which for a rank 8 skill trained to level 5 would be:

2,048,000 - 362,040(level 1 to 4) / 2 = 842,980

I said it was 50% of the total skill which is:

2,048,000 /2 = 1,024,000


Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.11.28 11:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Darth Vaders
I ll give you an example of a situation i witnessed long time ago at 00. There was a guy in our sector that said he had bought a character from E bay and that he had a Thanatos of which he ignored the value at that point and that last night he had lost it and that he just wanted to be left to go to a safer sector but he was trapped in the middle of 00. After countless of questions we realised he had no clone and in case of a podding he was revived into our station but he wasn't able to use the medical service so to be transfered to a safer system or upgrade his clone.

So what happens in that situation? Is there no way for such a player to be transfered in empire somehow? Cause as things were described to me he would get Poded and be revived into OE-4HB station only to find out he can't use the medical service there so to transfer his next clone to somewhere safer....

Any clues?


This is why its worth keeping at least one jump clone in a safe empire/low sec station with a medical bay.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.11.28 12:02:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Washell Olivaw


It's a rank 8 skill, so I assume you mean 975k sp. Capped at 50% means you can't lose more than 1024k sp when it's fully trained. If you lose 1024k you end up at 39% trained to level V. Running the same math for 975k gives me 42% done for level V.

You're thinking 50% of skill level which for a rank 8 skill trained to level 5 would be:

2,048,000 - 362,040(level 1 to 4) / 2 = 842,980

I said it was 50% of the total skill which is:

2,048,000 /2 = 1,024,000



yeah 975k - 42% done <- that was my error thinking 42% is less than 50% IYSWIM [I know how it works and you are correct ]

so we beat PrismX :-=P


Skylia
Posted - 2008.11.28 12:05:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Skylia on 28/11/2008 12:06:36
Originally by: Krystal Demishy
Originally by: CCP Prism X
you lose X%


X% ?? Rolling Eyes

How is that one calculated?
How can i know the value of 'my' x ?

Rolling Eyes


yeah i was a bit miffed at that too hence my question to elaborate a bit more Confused

Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
This is why its worth keeping at least one jump clone in a safe empire/low sec station with a medical bay.


advice noted and put into use Cool

Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.28 12:17:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Glassback on 28/11/2008 12:17:21
Originally by: CCP Prism X
If you have more SPs than your current clone can handle and you are podded:
The difference between your clone and your current SP is calculated and you lose X% of the difference from your last trained skill.


Nope, noob Dev. Wink


You lose a % of your highest trained skill. I lost 60% of Cap Ships V the other week (it's been at V for over a year)


RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.11.28 12:21:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Glassback

Nope, noob Dev. Wink


You lose a % of your highest trained skill. I lost 60% of Cap Ships V the other week (it's been at V for over a year)



This is exactly it


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