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ponieus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.11.19 22:33:00 - [1]
 

What is the most annoying thing you have found since the patch.

Mine would be how webs are just useless now.
and
Seems like everything just warps faster

In come the flames but for the real pirates left what has frusterated you since the last screw the pirates patch?

And dont worry we already have some counters to this nerf of all nerfs but its still frusterating that CCP seems like its ok to try everything to kill off this way of life.

Pirate for life. Twisted Evil

Djan Anaplian
Gallente
Fermionic Hydroponic
Posted - 2008.11.19 22:36:00 - [2]
 

For me, when i found out a heavy missile could hit my ceptor it was pretty much the beginning of the end.

Cat Molina
Minmatar
Intransigent
Posted - 2008.11.19 23:57:00 - [3]
 

Have no problem with the balance changes... I'm having issues with the bugs.

When I hover my pointer over a group of celestial objects, about half the time I get the list of what's in the group. If it doesn't display it then takes three or four times rolling over to get it to display. PITA when scanning. Neutral

And my directional scanner's been real slow. Sometimes takes as long at 30 seconds to display results. Not good. Confused

Of course, the memory leak means if I play too long my client will crash. Twice it's rebooted my computer. Real fun when you're landing on a target. Evil or Very Mad

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.20 16:23:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Omarvelous on 20/11/2008 16:23:20
Originally by: Djan Anaplian
For me, when i found out a heavy missile could hit my ceptor it was pretty much the beginning of the end.


Alter your ceptor setup to match the new changes. You can tank heavy missiles just fine.

As for people complaining about webs. Why?

A Hictor puts the infini-point on target.

The rest of the gang fits short scrams to turn off MWD.

Your webber still does his job.

Target comes in. Pointed. Tries to MWD away - scrammed - webbed - dead in the water.

Or

Target comes in. Pointed. Tries to AB away - webbed - dead in the water with your own guys bumping him away from the gate.

Sure its annoying that camps have to be larger and more diverse to get more catches since the patch. I feel for the Minnie Recon V pilots - but they're not useless. I still smile when I see a friendly rapier in my gang.

Jogvan
NibbleTek
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.11.20 16:30:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Omarvelous
The rest of the gang fits short scrams to turn off MWD.
Or have a Arazu/Lachesis in the gang, they might not have a very good tank but people used to have them in camps before hics existed and I suppose they will become popular again.

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.20 16:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jogvan
Originally by: Omarvelous
The rest of the gang fits short scrams to turn off MWD.
Or have a Arazu/Lachesis in the gang, they might not have a very good tank but people used to have them in camps before hics existed and I suppose they will become popular again.


If a rapier can tank sentries long enough so can an arazu - good point. Cool

Djan Anaplian
Gallente
Fermionic Hydroponic
Posted - 2008.11.20 17:53:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Djan Anaplian on 20/11/2008 17:53:54
Edited by: Djan Anaplian on 20/11/2008 17:53:35
Originally by: Omarvelous
Edited by: Omarvelous on 20/11/2008 16:23:20
Originally by: Djan Anaplian
For me, when i found out a heavy missile could hit my ceptor it was pretty much the beginning of the end.


Alter your ceptor setup to match the new changes. You can tank heavy missiles just fine.

As for people complaining about webs. Why?

A Hictor puts the infini-point on target.

The rest of the gang fits short scrams to turn off MWD.

Your webber still does his job.

Target comes in. Pointed. Tries to MWD away - scrammed - webbed - dead in the water.

Or

Target comes in. Pointed. Tries to AB away - webbed - dead in the water with your own guys bumping him away from the gate.

Sure its annoying that camps have to be larger and more diverse to get more catches since the patch. I feel for the Minnie Recon V pilots - but they're not useless. I still smile when I see a friendly rapier in my gang.


I am perfectly aware i can tank them just fine if i alter my setup but here's the thing, i don't want to.

The entire attraction of an inty (for me) was orbiting at ridiculous speeds whilst being pretty much invulnerable to damage; the tradeoff was non-existent dps.

Goyda
Ignis et Ultio
Posted - 2008.11.20 18:32:00 - [8]
 

I did put rocket launcher II's on my cerb. It's kinda funny actually. The only thing I really hate is how nerfed my Raven has become. yeah it's good _vs_ other battleships, but man 4 or 5 AF's and you can ROAST a BS now.

The hictor is the new battleship. 4 days to train into one. :)

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.20 20:23:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
Alter your ceptor setup to match the new changes. You can tank heavy missiles just fine.


Hell, you can tank LIGHT missiles just fine for that matter, asuming you arent tearing ass all over with the MWD burning constantly.

Frig test I did 2 days ago highlights it:
(All missile support Skills at 4)

Standard launcher on a Kessie with T1 Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 124 with my skills.

Target stationary: 115 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 105 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 100 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 61 damage

Standard launcher on a Kessie with Cald Navy Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 142 with my skills.

Target stationary: 132 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 120 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 113 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 70 damage

And that's just vs frig, I'd like to see what kinda fail it does to AB'ing Intys now.

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Soporo
Quote:
Alter your ceptor setup to match the new changes. You can tank heavy missiles just fine.


Hell, you can tank LIGHT missiles just fine for that matter, asuming you arent tearing ass all over with the MWD burning constantly.

Frig test I did 2 days ago highlights it:
(All missile support Skills at 4)

Standard launcher on a Kessie with T1 Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 124 with my skills.

Target stationary: 115 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 105 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 100 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 61 damage

Standard launcher on a Kessie with Cald Navy Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 142 with my skills.

Target stationary: 132 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 120 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 113 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 70 damage

And that's just vs frig, I'd like to see what kinda fail it does to AB'ing Intys now.


Counter that AB inty with a MWDing Inty.Shocked

Goyda
Ignis et Ultio
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Omarvelous
Originally by: Soporo
Quote:
Alter your ceptor setup to match the new changes. You can tank heavy missiles just fine.


Hell, you can tank LIGHT missiles just fine for that matter, asuming you arent tearing ass all over with the MWD burning constantly.

Frig test I did 2 days ago highlights it:
(All missile support Skills at 4)

Standard launcher on a Kessie with T1 Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 124 with my skills.

Target stationary: 115 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 105 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 100 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 61 damage

Standard launcher on a Kessie with Cald Navy Sabretooth vs Veangeance with no EM resists, Sabretooth default damage of 142 with my skills.

Target stationary: 132 damage
Target MWD'ing (1750ms): 120 damage
Target unmodded speed (317ms): 113 damage
Target Afterburning (707ms): 70 damage

And that's just vs frig, I'd like to see what kinda fail it does to AB'ing Intys now.


Counter that AB inty with a MWDing Inty.Shocked



ROCKET Cerb FTW ! Twisted Evil

Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2008.11.20 22:27:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/11/2008 22:27:32
For me would be lag and connection issues..... Didn't suffer from this pre-patch...

Rivur'Tam
Posted - 2008.11.21 00:12:00 - [13]
 

The thing that ****es me off is i can't see my ship or the gates.

Natasha Xi
Posted - 2008.11.21 01:32:00 - [14]
 

I'm rage quitting!
No, seriously.
Look, here I go.
I'm going, honestly.
Byeeeeee.
Oh? You're all still here huh?

Tbh, I haven't got to play much since the patch seeing as the freaking client keeps demanding more ram than is available in western europe and requires 40,000 kray supercomputer to avoid maxing out the processor.

Lady Karma
Posted - 2008.11.21 02:50:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: ponieus

In come the flames but for the real pirates left what has frusterated you since the last screw the pirates patch?


Real pirates camp the same gate daily c/d?

If you whining about webs, try camping both sides of the gate and have at least some kind of gang leader. That way you wont all stupidly agress on one side, while the "victim" warps away after jumping.

fail pirates

Capt Lothar
Monolithic.
Posted - 2008.11.21 03:07:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: ponieus

In come the flames but for the real pirates left what has frusterated you since the last screw the pirates patch?


Real pirates camp the same gate daily c/d?

If you whining about webs, try camping both sides of the gate and have at least some kind of gang leader. That way you wont all stupidly agress on one side, while the "victim" warps away after jumping.

fail pirates


Fail pirates, with the most kills and points on Battleclinic all time for a corporation. You're an idiot (that has been confirmed btw).

Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis
Posted - 2008.11.21 03:13:00 - [17]
 

The most annoying thing is knowing that CCP has invested time into certificates which I think are the most worthless feature in this game.

You know what is better than certificates? World of Warcraft....and I ****ing hate that game with a passion. Evil or Very Mad


Lady Karma
Posted - 2008.11.21 03:16:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/11/2008 03:22:11
Originally by: Capt Lothar

Fail pirates, with the most kills and points on Battleclinic all time for a corporation. You're an idiot (that has been confirmed btw).



Yes your battleclinic stats are truly impressive. Those shuttles and pods must have been such an adrenalin rush

And btw, it has been confirmed that you are an idiot corp, and you whine a lot on the forums.

Capsule 38,508
Rookie ship 13,187
Shuttle 7,591
Carrier 13
Mothership 0

I got more carrier and mother ship kills on one char alone, but yes, you got me beat on shuttles.








Capt Lothar
Monolithic.
Posted - 2008.11.21 05:16:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Capt Lothar on 21/11/2008 05:23:19
Originally by: Lady Karma
Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/11/2008 03:22:11
Originally by: Capt Lothar

Fail pirates, with the most kills and points on Battleclinic all time for a corporation. You're an idiot (that has been confirmed btw).



Yes your battleclinic stats are truly impressive. Those shuttles and pods must have been such an adrenalin rush

And btw, it has been confirmed that you are an idiot corp, and you whine a lot on the forums.

Capsule 38,508
Rookie ship 13,187
Shuttle 7,591
Carrier 13
Mothership 0

I got more carrier and mother ship kills on one char alone, but yes, you got me beat on shuttles.










I have 18 other characters which combined have more kills than BoB, and 187 mothership kills to boot. I won't post with them though because I'm a giant tw*t.

And, btw, it has been confirmed that you troll any post that mentions the united. Proof positive to me, along with the fact that you won't post with your main, that we blew you up and you're still butthurt over it. Get off our nuts please.


K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
Posted - 2008.11.21 05:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: ponieus
What is the most annoying thing you have found since the patch.

Mine would be how webs are just useless now.
and
Seems like everything just warps faster

In come the flames but for the real pirates left what has frusterated you since the last screw the pirates patch?

And dont worry we already have some counters to this nerf of all nerfs but its still frusterating that CCP seems like its ok to try everything to kill off this way of life.

Pirate for life. Twisted Evil


missiles are a bit annoying but its a matter of addapt patch imo... my pilgrim can now tank alot of missile boats when afterburning but i lost 1.2k/s on my sacrilege.

annoying thing though... found a wartarget drone outside my station with red start still on it... decided to test some missile differences on it - concord >.< obviously was glitch and the drones i thought should of disappeared after the patch install anyway.

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.11.21 06:03:00 - [21]
 

the UI bugs, the selected items box doubling up, the fact that when I open my map the map buttons stick to the top of the overview forcing it downwards, unpinning my drone window and forcing that downwards, the duplicating or tripling of the selected items icons forcing the little box to expand, getting bigger and jumping in behind overview despite it being pinned. The drone window disappearing for 15 seconds when I launch drones... the memory leaks

pretty much a struggle to find the will to log in lately, seeing as for each fight I get into I also have to fight the bloody user interface to stay put or not mess up, if CCP could make the user interface and client not suck the game would be so much better, I can adapt to game changes, I cant adapt to a user interface with a mind of its own with so many irritations and so badly made that it just makes everything you do feel sluggish and difficult.

Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.11.21 06:06:00 - [22]
 

I'd say the most annoying thing is the vanishing ship bug. Jump a gate... you have no ship... jump the next gate... there it is again.... jump the next... gone... so on and so forth.

Avan Strega
Entity.
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.11.21 06:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
the UI bugs, the selected items box doubling up, the fact that when I open my map the map buttons stick to the top of the overview forcing it downwards, unpinning my drone window and forcing that downwards, the duplicating or tripling of the selected items icons forcing the little box to expand, getting bigger and jumping in behind overview despite it being pinned. The drone window disappearing for 15 seconds when I launch drones... the memory leaks

pretty much a struggle to find the will to log in lately, seeing as for each fight I get into I also have to fight the bloody user interface to stay put or not mess up, if CCP could make the user interface and client not suck the game would be so much better, I can adapt to game changes, I cant adapt to a user interface with a mind of its own with so many irritations and so badly made that it just makes everything you do feel sluggish and difficult.


this x1000, especially the ****ing selected items box, that **** is really annoying

Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.11.21 06:40:00 - [24]
 

I lost 6 ships since patch to crashes, one with a key past a locked gate on a part 3 of 5 part lvl 4 mission that had to be turned down for standing loss. One crash reset all of my settings :(

Lithium Star
Gallente
The Inf1dels
Posted - 2008.11.21 06:45:00 - [25]
 

most annoying is the 50/50 chance of jumping into the system and not loading your ship/any gates or station graphics. That coupled with the items box sometimes doubling or even trippling the buttons. You can fix it by session changes such as docking or jumping or just relogging but srsly come on...

Gonna have to say most ******ed one is chasing after someone and they jump through a region border gate, you typically spawn in about 60-70km from them Rolling Eyes (yes its pretty much impossible to camp those types of gates without a huge blob you need lach/huggin and/or multiple hictors over the gate.)

I agree with you on the webs, most of the time you have to try and bump people when camping cause its so easy for them to burn back to the gate. Minnie recons are a must now for any decent gatecamp.

Btw ccp hates pirates and they never get any love(no the hictor was not pirate LOVE its a carebear inspired tool that got pirate MOMS out of lowsec)

Pete X
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.11.21 09:06:00 - [26]
 

mine is my ****ing ship ( and stargates stations etc etc ) vanish mid fight which is fairly annoying

H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2008.11.21 09:38:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Lithium Star
most annoying is the 50/50 chance of jumping into the system and not loading your ship/any gates or station graphics.


You can fix that bug by ungrouping your weapons. It seems that CCP wanted to balance the advantage of weapon grouping by making your ship/stargates/stations randomly disappear Sad

Apart from that I think that the changes to speed and to missiles are not that bad. They made the game a bit more interesting and tactical again. Of course there are more targets escaping, but maybe this will bring a bit more life to losec.

My only complaint is that Stealth Bombers have lost a lot of their appeal. Even with a Target painter you'll need 3 volleys to kill an afterburning frigate Sad - but CCP promised to look into their role so I did not lose all hope that one day they will be really useful apart from adding midslots to a gang.

ponieus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.11.21 16:07:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: ponieus

In come the flames but for the real pirates left what has frusterated you since the last screw the pirates patch?


Real pirates camp the same gate daily c/d?

If you whining about webs, try camping both sides of the gate and have at least some kind of gang leader. That way you wont all stupidly agress on one side, while the "victim" warps away after jumping.

fail pirates


well duh what are pirates suppose to do. Go around all day long looking for targets that just warp and dock the second a big bad -10 comes into system.

We have to have more thought into our camps than you do when you try to derail and troll a thread of ours.

You know we do have a fan club you can sign up for. For a small deposit of 100mill you get a mouse pad with our pictures and signatures on it. Just think one day you too can be a fanboy of the United.

Move along little one you dont even have what it takes to smartbomb a gate.


lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.11.22 00:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Lithium Star
most annoying is the 50/50 chance of jumping into the system and not loading your ship/any gates or station graphics.


You can fix that bug by ungrouping your weapons. It seems that CCP wanted to balance the advantage of weapon grouping by making your ship/stargates/stations randomly disappear Sad


oh cool thanks! had that problem too :)

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.22 00:08:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Goyda
The only thing I really hate is how nerfed my Raven has become. yeah it's good _vs_ other battleships, but man 4 or 5 AF's and you can ROAST a BS now.

The hictor is the new battleship. 4 days to train into one. :)


I REALLY hope that was sarcasm...


 

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