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Posted - 2008.11.19 05:24:00 - [121]

And when exactly is this 1.0.1 patch coming? Any timeline? Any patchnotes?

Denial of Service
Posted - 2008.11.19 05:44:00 - [122]

When we get a "Sent Items" folder in evemail where we can track back sent evemails for let me say about 30 days?

This feature is missing for years now!!

Jack Nuddels
Posted - 2008.11.19 06:30:00 - [123]

Fix the POS mail system!!!!11111elfelfelf

As CEO i get 3 mails! not one or two like in former times NO three, this is real spam. I guess this is against the Spam - EULA from CCP XD...

Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2008.11.19 06:32:00 - [124]

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To address performance issues in EVE we are making some changes to the EVE Mail system in Quantum Rise 1.0.1....

.....all EVE Mails sent by NPCs that are older than 3 months will be deleted.

GENIUS! this will fix everything.
hey thanks.
way to go.
good job.

Rolling Eyes

this patch/expansion rules.

maybe we should further cut bio's to a 12 character max. can't hurt right?

/kicks rock down the street and sighs/

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2008.11.19 06:55:00 - [125]

Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 19/11/2008 06:56:42
OK ... now is your chance as developers to do things right or foul them up.

First off - any system which is going to purge messages - should have a way of archiving them somewhere. Possibly to the clients hard drove. And ... fetching them back later.

Thus - an import and export function.

THEN - AFTER - you've given everyone time to back up their mail folders - you can think about blindly purging things.

Yeah, 99% of the stuff you purge may be junk. But 1% of it may be priceless to someone. You don't know - you're just blindly going to delete ANYTHING over 3 months old.


Professionals - don't do that.

So, you can either be a bunch of sloppy slobs who either don't understand how to maintain a project properly - or - just don't care. Or ... you can do it right.

If you had a back up function IN THE FIRST PLACE, you might not have a problem with undeleted messages now.

Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.19 07:02:00 - [126]

Edited by: ER0X on 19/11/2008 07:07:18
Originally by: Zeko Rena
Wow so many weird people who have fallen in love with Concord Mail, its an automated mail from a video game lol Laughing

Yes this is true but itís not quite that simple. Iím sure I donít need to remind you that EvE is very different from many other MMOís out there. One major difference is the social networking side of this video game. These mails you so casually refer to are a catalogue of interesting events and happenings throughout the course of ones EvE existence, such as, changes in play style/corps/gang mates/friends and enemies.

These mails contain a record of a players, friends/wing men, good times and bad. Personally I have found mails on a Sunday morning I had no idea existed in my inbox Embarassed. These mails are hard documents of fun nights on 1 shot 1 kill with a group of buddies Twisted EvilYARRRR!!Razz. It would in my opinion be a damning indictment to remove these hazy memories without the ability to export them.


White eyed
Posted - 2008.11.19 07:03:00 - [127]

Edited by: White eyed on 19/11/2008 07:05:21
I do support this aslong as my killmails and suchs stay.

It has got to stay. Because with the removal of ghost training they said that they were players just like us, meaning they should know the feeling of losing old kill mails of your first and second kill (or when you got killed and still want revenge). Unless ofcourse they are all carebears who don't go to low sec at all.

Could someone from CCP please confirm this.

Should be very easy to program I would say. And otherwise give me the code and I will do it.

Pringles Inc.
No Comment.
Posted - 2008.11.19 07:54:00 - [128]

i am for any little thing that helps against lag keep it up!

Cho Chiyo
Posted - 2008.11.19 08:37:00 - [129]

Since you are finally doing something with the mail system, could you please look into the following features?

- A sent mails folder to keep track of what have you said to whom and when. This is quite an oversight and a source of much frustration for many of us.

- A way to sort out received emails, like war, corp, kills, insurances...

- A higher word limit for corp emails. Often corp emails have to detail the corp protocols for new recruits and it is frustrating to have to split such mails in several small bits.

- A way to see threads, specially needed in corp mails where several discussions are taking place over time.

- An archive system. That would allow many of us to greatly reduce the number of mails kept in our boxes without losing any information.

... as for the 1000 mails limit, well, the actual system is painful enough if you have to wade through 100 mails to find the one you are looking for. I pity the poor folks that actually have 1000+ emails in their box, probably not been able to fetch mail 1001 before doing some basic cleaning of their mailbox may be a good thing for some of them.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2008.11.19 09:30:00 - [130]

list of fixes that should be taking place.

1. stopping ships becoming invisible after jumpping, undocking or just being online an hour.
2. stop the grouped weapons icon flashing for no god dam reason.
3. stop icons in the pos prosessing screen jumpping about when you offline silos.
4. stop double entrys in the overview and on scanner
5. fix teh dam memory leak, after an hour or so it becomes a lag fest
6. stop pos's spamming 3 mails per hour

when you(ccp) post that your fixing these ill be a happy customer

Gene Works
Posted - 2008.11.19 09:55:00 - [131]

I hope CCP go thru this thread, and look at our ideas/feedback...

Could we possibly have a localised cache of a outbox?, i send evemails sometimes and would like to look back on them, but have no way of doing so.

Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.11.19 10:05:00 - [132]

What I don't understand is that there is an option "export to file" button on the market info window but not an export to file/folder on the mail?

At least such an export would improve things a little bit. A real mail system would be of course much better. And I don't believe that it would eat up significant resources but instead would increase functionality a lot.

Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.11.19 10:08:00 - [133]

Edited by: Hygelac on 19/11/2008 10:08:49
My systems administrator at work constantly sends out emails complaining that people aren't archiving their mailboxes or busting their storage limits so it's not surprising that eventually this would come to Eve.

I'm sure this is necessary and will help in terms of performance, however before you implement this you should consider that Eve mail currently has no options for export or archival.

If there were other options for managing your mail box rather than simply deleting mails then I'm sure people would use them.

CCP Please give us the ability to export our eve mails into .EML or another common mail format, this change wouldn't cause any ripples if we had a way of getting our Eve mail out of the client.

Edit : Just read all the responses ... looks like I'm not the only one with this opinion :D

Sirial Soulfly
Posted - 2008.11.19 10:11:00 - [134]

CCP completely destroying player history in one swipe.!

Posted - 2008.11.19 10:17:00 - [135]

Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer
1. Fix the to box
2. Fix multiple emails (pos)
3. Fix non recurrent settings
4. Sent items???
5. (im adding this one) Read reports
6. (and this one) Multiple mails e.g. more than 1 receiver
7. Ability to have unread at the top and then not disappear into the list never to remember who sent you it.
8. Export of kill mails/Transfer to combat log
9. Storyline tracking system
10. Export mails full stop :p
11. Driving people insane / simplify
12. Longer unbroken mails

6. is already possible.

Yoshi Takeda
Active Fusion
Posted - 2008.11.19 10:41:00 - [136]

A good way to do this change be as suggested

use a Real Mailserver IMAP be excellent increasing the size and receiver list limits.

have a grace period till those who want to save their 1,001+ emails via an own mail client

purge the evemail DB as intended

and as the IGB was mentioned already - yeah remove it - it's worth is neglectable.

and a threaded view to the EveMail Client be really cool. next to an export feature for single or a full set of mails.

Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.19 11:22:00 - [137]

Originally by: Chribba
EVEMail API before purge pls.


Chooch Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.19 11:38:00 - [138]

IMAP access to EVE-mail would be awesome.

My question is: why is there no CCP replies to the recent performance/bug issues on QR 1.0? Will QR 1.01 patch fix these issues? ETA on that patch? ...

Frances Pulver
Posted - 2008.11.19 11:39:00 - [139]

Originally by: Sargeant HAmmer

so summing up

1. Fix the to box
2. Fix multiple emails (pos)
3. Fix non recurrent settings
4. Sent items???
5. (im adding this one) Read reports
6. (and this one) Multiple mails e.g. more than 1 receiver
7. Ability to have unread at the top and then not disappear into the list never to remember who sent you it.
8. Export of kill mails/Transfer to combat log
9. Storyline tracking system
10. Export mails full stop :p
11. Driving people insane / simplify
12. Longer unbroken mails

I highlighted the bigguns ... AMEN to my pod brother! give us a nice, just-like-other-industry-standard-email system .. PLEASE!

You don't even need to think .. jsut load up AOL , Outlook, or any other common email client .. take the commoon features and POOF! EVEMAIL 2.0

And ... on a customer service point of view .. you would be WELL served by sending players all deleted evemails in a text file to their registerd email account .. at least they won't be deleted.

Posted - 2008.11.19 11:47:00 - [140]

thats cool , all improvements are welcome . also , i hope you guys do something with the mac users unstable game with the new release and fix the bug in market that dont allow you to see the ammount of jumps.

Aero Zolic
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.11.19 11:49:00 - [141]

Yeah, delete old mails, all mails. TBH I don't hive as shhhhhhh.... As long as you can fix bigger problems.

Furb Killer
Posted - 2008.11.19 12:24:00 - [142]

Or just upload your old concord mails to battleclinic and they will store it for you...

Btw LOL @ the one who said he didnt want to do that because people then could look which ships he uses, this is all at least a year old :/

Also LOL @ the one who said the current performance issues are the largest in 4 year. 15 months ago when i started playing, the eve cluster had random shut downs, 1 minute before the shut down the lag started, and then the server was offline. That was far worse than current situation.

Volition Cult
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2008.11.19 12:44:00 - [143]

Like everybody says: the mail system isn't that nice atm.

Make it more workable like outlook (Add mail from certain char to subfolders etc). Outbox/inbox, sort all mail by date, etc.

If you want to improved social aspects of the game, this would be a nice one.

Posted - 2008.11.19 13:13:00 - [144]

going back to sorting out current performance issues, one nerf/balance upgrade ie the web bonus on the paladin and the kronos being nerfed, was this wise? before myself and i'm sure other kronos pilots had little need for our drones, and could genraly web npc scramblers frigs and other frigs near by and blow them away, the down side of the paladin nerf is this and you may have guessed it is that all these pilots now need there drones again, infact they need there small drones, because of the other nerf to med drone tracking , hence more server calls, which must clock up to several million in a hour, not being a computer expert i dont know for sure but i would guess that. Would it not be wise to restore the paladin and kronos web bonus back to its 99% effectivness, after all these are exclusivly pve vessels due to there huge exspense, and dont really benefit or unblance pvp because no one is willing to lose such a exspensive asset. Please take this seriously and consider reconsider the nerf because i think you may had accidently not forseen that this would create greater server loads.

Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.11.19 13:15:00 - [145]

So are we going to get an answer on the possibility of exporting our mails ? Or are we going to be required to threadnaught this thing and all threaten to cancel our accounts over it before we get any kind of response? really..some follow up posts should be mandatory after you do a blog. Confused

Ecatherina W
AAA.FSI Holding
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.11.19 13:20:00 - [146]

Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
In addition to this all EVE Mails sent by NPCs that are older than 3 months will be deleted.

NOOOOOO! Don't nerf old CONCORD killmails!


Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2008.11.19 13:40:00 - [147]

Any improvements to Eve Mail would be really appreciated. I would like to see a more manageable system.

Posted - 2008.11.19 13:46:00 - [148]

There are more important things to fix than the damn mail system!

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.11.19 14:05:00 - [149]

One thing to reduce the dependency on corp evemails would be corporate channel MOTD. Long overdue.

Also, I understand the archaic R&D agent mail notification/missioning system when it was put into place. How about you simply make it that the R&D agent mission capability is reset each dt and do away with the eve mails.

Also, make NPC eve mails a totally separate tab in the mail box. This would make it much much easier to sort through any "automated" spam and have people focus on player to player interaction.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.11.19 14:39:00 - [150]

CCP will do anything to get that 2% enhancement in server performance that their server diagnostic tool with an error rate of 5% tells them that they can gain.

Secure container artwork and memorials are long dead and gone. Nothing will save your old EVE-mails I'm afraid.Neutral

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