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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:29:00 - [1]
 

So i wanted to test how much the med drones were nerfed so I am going on 10 minutes and my 5 T2 med drones is not able to break the tank of a Frig (Guardian Veteran). Is this what CCP wanted? I realize before it creamed frigs, but now it can't break the armor tank of this Frig I am still shooting as I type this.

Ess Erbe
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:34:00 - [2]
 

There is a very easy answer to this dilemma.

Kingwood
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:37:00 - [3]
 

Ooooh, ooooh, can I answer?






(Light drones) \o/

Vengal Seyhan
Minmatar
Sudden Buggery
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:39:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ess Erbe
There is a very easy answer to this dilemma.


I'm taking a punt in the dark at your rather oblique intent with your post:

...stop missioning and just PvP full time, is that right?
Was that your oh-so-clever point? At which point I'll leave you peurile teenagers to your simplistic game of counterstrike in space.


Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:44:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 12/11/2008 21:50:13

My question was not how you kill frigs as I know the answer, I was asking if CCP meant to make it so Medium T2 drones are not able to kill certain frig class rats. Interestingly, 5 heavies had no problem killing the frigs.

Vengal Seyhan
Minmatar
Sudden Buggery
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Solid Prefekt
Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 12/11/2008 21:50:13

My question was not how you kill frigs as I know the answer, I was asking if CCP meant to make it so Medium T2 drones are not able to kill certain frig class rats. Interestingly, 5 heavies had no problem killing the frigs.


I quite often use my heavy drones on my dominix for utility work like that. Sentries for the big stuff, Heavy drones for mop up of anything cruiser size or smaller, while I go read a book or cook dinner or do laundry, whatever.

TBH even before the patch there was usually very little reason to undock the mediums. The heavies do fine :) (But then, it IS a Dominix)

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.11.13 07:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vengal Seyhan
Originally by: Solid Prefekt
Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 12/11/2008 21:50:13

My question was not how you kill frigs as I know the answer, I was asking if CCP meant to make it so Medium T2 drones are not able to kill certain frig class rats. Interestingly, 5 heavies had no problem killing the frigs.


I quite often use my heavy drones on my dominix for utility work like that. Sentries for the big stuff, Heavy drones for mop up of anything cruiser size or smaller, while I go read a book or cook dinner or do laundry, whatever.

TBH even before the patch there was usually very little reason to undock the mediums. The heavies do fine :) (But then, it IS a Dominix)



But not every ship can field heavys. For example a raven can field 1 heavy(not enough) or smalls which have not enough firepower.
And after missile nerf the torps and cruise missiles doing almost 0 famage to frigs. And TP and web are not an option because are medslot modules and screw your tank. maybe if they would high or low slot...

Hyveres
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.11.13 07:51:00 - [8]
 

If your drone skills are adequate and you use a target painter frigs go down easily to medium drones.

At least they do for me.

Vincent Jarjadian
Posted - 2008.11.13 08:02:00 - [9]
 

My t2 Hammerheads havent had a problem,

i thought i was going to be using my lights more but it seems mediums are still good for almost everything cruiser down.

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.11.13 08:21:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vincent Jarjadian
My t2 Hammerheads havent had a problem,

i thought i was going to be using my lights more but it seems mediums are still good for almost everything cruiser down.


Yes, but we talking about frigsVery Happy

Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
Posted - 2008.11.13 09:19:00 - [11]
 

The signature resolution of medium drones has been increased to 125m so they don't shoot things like interceptors on AB (yeah, people like me are silly enough to use this).

Originally by: Patchnotes

All medium drones have been changed as they were too effective against small targets. The optimal signature radius has been increased to 125m and increased tracking by a factor of 1.2x giving a change of -42.4% against smaller targets.


http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Use light drones or target painters.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.11.13 09:25:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 13/11/2008 09:25:14
hope you haven't trained your drone speed skills up to high and made it so they can't track what they orbit.

This might be part of the issue.

Ass Eels
Posted - 2008.11.13 09:29:00 - [13]
 

Neut the frigate, it can't hold tank then.

Ess Erbe
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.13 10:35:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vengal Seyhan
Originally by: Ess Erbe
There is a very easy answer to this dilemma.


I'm taking a punt in the dark at your rather oblique intent with your post:

...stop missioning and just PvP full time, is that right?
Was that your oh-so-clever point? At which point I'll leave you peurile teenagers to your simplistic game of counterstrike in space.




Heh.

Amy Wang
Posted - 2008.11.13 10:48:00 - [15]
 

125m sig resolution seems reasonable for supposedly cruiser sized drones

however if you look at lights and heavies in comparison the change seems odd:

lights: 25m (considerably less then the 40m sig res of small guns but still ok as it is the only point defense option most ships have against frigs)
mediums: 125m (appropriate for its size)
heavies: 125m (hmm, same as mediums? a lot less then sig res of large guns? what gives?)

so to make any sense of the medium drone changes the sig res of lights (maybe) and heavies (for sure) would need to be adjusted or the mediums sig res lowered again imho

MyOwnSling
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.11.13 14:59:00 - [16]
 

I'm not sure what your issue is. I've had absolutely no problems killing frigs with my T2 medium drones in QR. Skills perhaps?

Nasuno
Strategic Insanity
Posted - 2008.11.13 15:38:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Nasuno on 13/11/2008 15:39:02
Must be skill related because I cant kill most of em with 5 T2 mediums either even while webbed.
No probs though. Switched to Light drones. They kill the cruisers and battle cruisers PvE almost as fast as the mediums and get to target quicker anyhow. + backups :) win win

Zo5o
The Scope
Posted - 2008.11.13 16:25:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Zo5o on 13/11/2008 16:26:27

Guardian Veterans are some of the hardest to kill NPC frigs in the game. They can take a full Navy Antimatter volley from my Kronos when mwd'ing straight at it, and live to tell about it. Medium drones are still fine against npc t1 frigs, and CAN kill SOME t1 elite frigs, albeit very slowly, but I'm not surprised that the Guardian Veterans can tank mediums now, mediums were very slow against them BEFORE QR patch.


 

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