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Serax
Rise Rebel Resist
Posted - 2008.11.13 12:47:00 - [151]
 

'omg nerf nanos!'
'WTF you nerfed my overpowered **** too?!?!'

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Azeryn
Posted - 2008.11.13 12:48:00 - [152]
 

Funny how those ppl saying "easy, switch from missiles to turrets" are the same who, when told "use missiles instead of turrets", whould wield their raighteus fire as both a weapon and a shield and yell "Why should I cross-train into a different weapon skill tree? I want to use turrets, not missiles, dammit!!!".

And those thinking that raven pilots spent their time slinging cruise missiles or even torps at orbiting frigates are just raving mad: frigates would require more time to kill than a BS. Even a flight of 3 light tech 1 drones (less than a day required to skill up to) of the wrong dmg type would kill an orbiting frigate faster than multiple barrages of cruise missiles on steroids.

I am really happy to have given up on missioning a week ago to join a pvp corp in 0.0, looks like I milked every last drop from missions before the catastrophe Laughing

Sal 'acho
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 12:52:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Le Cardinal
Cerb and Nighthawk. Enuff said really. I tested them yesterday and they still rock. I agree with alot here regarding skills. No more easyride for missilepilots. Personally i have peaked most of my missileskills and do good dmg. If your missiles dont hit properly. Learn how to use them.


^^ This

Especially as I make them - Can't wait for the price to start rising Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Karl Luckner
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.13 12:57:00 - [154]
 

Actually, the prises are, at least for the Nighthawk, dropping. Seems like everybody now tries to sell them.

Jim Hazard
Minmatar
Scrubfleet
Posted - 2008.11.13 13:09:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Azeryn
Funny how those ppl saying "easy, switch from missiles to turrets" are the same who, when told "use missiles instead of turrets", whould wield their raighteus fire as both a weapon and a shield and yell "Why should I cross-train into a different weapon skill tree? I want to use turrets, not missiles, dammit!!!".

And those thinking that raven pilots spent their time slinging cruise missiles or even torps at orbiting frigates are just raving mad: frigates would require more time to kill than a BS. Even a flight of 3 light tech 1 drones (less than a day required to skill up to) of the wrong dmg type would kill an orbiting frigate faster than multiple barrages of cruise missiles on steroids.

I am really happy to have given up on missioning a week ago to join a pvp corp in 0.0, looks like I milked every last drop from missions before the catastrophe Laughing


and thats why most 0.0 alliances suck.. they recruit everyone....

Sal 'acho
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 13:10:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Karl Luckner
Actually, the prises are, at least for the Nighthawk, dropping. Seems like everybody now tries to sell them.


They have been for a while now - give it a couple of weeks and I reckon they'll start to rise

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2008.11.13 13:11:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/11/2008 13:11:31
Originally by: Azeryn
Funny how those ppl saying "easy, switch from missiles to turrets" are the same who, when told "use missiles instead of turrets", whould wield their raighteus fire as both a weapon and a shield and yell "Why should I cross-train into a different weapon skill tree? I want to use turrets, not missiles, dammit!!!".


Ask any (edit: any smarter then a tadpole)amarr and they'll tell you they've trained drones, missiles and guns Cool

You need to suck to learn adaptation!

Jelek Coro
Erase Rewind
Posted - 2008.11.13 13:18:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Valandria Koshun
Originally by: KhaniKirai
It is silly when a BC performs better then a BS.
So the BS has no role left anymore :/



thats the point im really mad about
an cnr worth 10times a drake is now quite a joke
i dont think that this is intendet


The CNR is still capable. Try to fit it properly.

Then that would require thought and investing in correct skills instead of using a cookie cutter approach. Far easier to go cry about it on the forums eh?

Wah wah wah wah wah wah!!

I bet you never went on SISI either?

Cry more.


TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.11.13 13:43:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Jelek Coro
The CNR is still capable. Try to fit it properly.

Then that would require thought and investing in correct skills instead of using a cookie cutter approach. Far easier to go cry about it on the forums eh?

This!

I really don't understand the level of whine over this from a PvE point of view.

I have an alt in a CNR (decent skills, T2 / Caldari navy tank and cruise launchers) and he ripped through L4 guristas extra last night with no noticeable issues.

My main flies matari and I've not done L4s with them since the patch (so can only go on previous experience). They have never been able to hit frigs close in with BS guns (that is 0 damage as opposed to missiles which actually do some) so this is just bringing the raven into line. Train drone skills and T2 hammerheads will take the frigs out pretty fast.

As far as PvE goes, the Cnr still blows the maelstrom away on dps, still hits frigs and cruisers, still pwns BC and BS. Might take an extra volley here or there but it is far from being gimped or unplayable. I've made 0 changes to the setup since before QR and was sitting still because I wanted to see if anything had changed.

I don't Pvp much with caldari, but if you are complaining that a solo raven can't kill the tackler frigs then you are in line with any other BS not setup to deal with them. Hint - heavy neuts.

If you are missing key missile skills then perhaps that is the problem and maybe you are not ready for a BS yet...

waruiushiro
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2008.11.13 15:07:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Azeryn
Funny how those ppl saying "easy, switch from missiles to turrets" are the same who, when told "use missiles instead of turrets", whould wield their raighteus fire as both a weapon and a shield and yell "Why should I cross-train into a different weapon skill tree? I want to use turrets, not missiles, dammit!!!".
Laughing


Hi, hello, Minmatar here. Let me list the skills that my brothers and sisters and I must train to do ANYTHING and usually without complaining (unless there's Caldaris crying somewhere, then we gotta say something):

Drones
Shield Tanking
Armour Tanking
Missiles
Speed
Turrets


What Caldari players had to previously train to do level 4 missions:

Missiles
Away-From-Keyboard V (trains itself, really)

...

So yeah. It's not uncommon for Minmatar to say, "oh, this ship will be good. I'll just train all the related skills for it, and in a couple months, I can fly it."

These days, I'm seeing a lot of Caldari say, "OMGZORS!!!1 I HAVE TO TRAIN A SKILL OTHER THAN MISSILES OMGWTFRAGEQUIT!!!!!!!!11"

For me, I've just completed a training course for drones that would make most Gallente players wince. My turrets skills still need a massive boost, my missile skills are always in need of more days, more days... for missions I had to train shield tanking but all the PvP I do is with armour tanking, so that skill is nowhere near optimal. And on and on.

Basically what I'm getting at here is that people who can't deal with their Raven not killing frigates with weapons NEVER intended for killing frigates fail at EVE and life in general. Know what happens when you shoot at a frigate with large artillery?

1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely
1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely
1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely

That's not nerfed damage, IT'S NO DAMAGE. So, we use drones only, or get creative and find ways to reduce transversal. Your race has turrets to, so really you shouldn't complain about training them. Maybe it'll be about the Ferox rather than the Drake/Raven combo that must be just so incredibly boring.

Squably
Minmatar
Invenio Inceptum
Posted - 2008.11.13 15:21:00 - [161]
 

Well its so easy,
Ppl complaining about their ravens being **** etc etc just should learn how to fit a ship, all they probably know is a standard fit posted on some forum.
I have been doing plexes in my Raven and it still rocks, no it does not take longer, yes i need about 5% more ammo but hell who cares.
Also strop training FOTM junk to V, go train stuff you WANT to do not what everyone else does.

KhaniKirai
Posted - 2008.11.13 23:19:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Jelek Coro
Originally by: Valandria Koshun
Originally by: KhaniKirai
It is silly when a BC performs better then a BS.
So the BS has no role left anymore :/



thats the point im really mad about
an cnr worth 10times a drake is now quite a joke
i dont think that this is intendet


The CNR is still capable. Try to fit it properly.

Then that would require thought and investing in correct skills instead of using a cookie cutter approach. Far easier to go cry about it on the forums eh?

Wah wah wah wah wah wah!!

I bet you never went on SISI either?

Cry more.




65+ mil sp here, yes the BC is better to fit and performs in a lot of roles now better then the raven.
I suggest you work a bit more on your skills as well and try out more types of ships and fittings.
There are on this moment some serious balance problems with missiles and shiptypes, that cant be fixed by things: train this or that anymore.

I advise most new people to pick minmatar these days or amarr and if they really want to get into drones, to use gallente.

Caldari still got ewar, but thats it.
Their industrials are worse then other races.
Their transporters are worse then other races.
Their dronebays stink, IF the ship even has them. You would think the drone bays would have been improved a bit, when the t2 drones came into the game, but nope.
Railsguns have nice range, but so do lasers and projectiles nowadays.
Shield tanking was good, but with the reduction on the explosive resist in last big patch, the other races became better overall.
Caldari ships are still like blocks of concrete, when it comes to turning and get in warp. And why do they have that penalty, because there is not a single advantage left to it?

Maybe you train some more skills and look deeper in what goes on and what has been changed the last 4 years and add it all together.
Luckily I got well trained alts and are bit crosstrained myself, so i got enough options to fly other races.
But this missile nerf just is too much and not any new skill or module to overcome the problems.

Why for example are their no modules that lower explosion radius or affect that dumb damage reduction factor?
Why dont caldari have skill bonus on missiles for more types of launchers?
Why are there no launcher versions of cruise launchers, that are a socalled module to hit smaller stuff, but do less damage? Turrets have multiple versions for each small,medium, large class? Example: dual 250mm rail guns, things like that?

Some people bring up: but turrets need to fit other types of weapons to hit small stuff nearby!!
Yeah, thats why they fit often smart bombs. The only difference is, a missile ship is losing his own dps when using such modules, but a turret user has no trouble with his own smartbomb.
So, that excuse is not even valid....

Then again, I will adapt, but this time, it wont be changing setup, since that has barely any impact, but it will the only efficient adapting, invest in another race weapon system now, instead of specializing further in caldari stuff.

Some people say: use a target painter....
Those people I guess have never trained target painting skills or looked on the stats, but 30-40km optimal with 60-70km falloff is not enough, if you are firing cruise missiles over longer range.
This option would be only valid, if the target painter had WAY more range as well.






Harrii Karrie
Posted - 2008.11.13 23:56:00 - [163]
 

Some people say: use a target painter....
Those people I guess have never trained target painting skills or looked on the stats, but 30-40km optimal with 60-70km falloff is not enough, if you are firing cruise missiles over longer range.
This option would be only valid, if the target painter had WAY more range as well.



you paint a target at 100km plus opt + falloff and thats not enougth,Crying or Very sad

Try being in a rail, artiy, or beam laser equipped ship, dammped down to about 10 km,s. at least you can still do damage using fof,sLaughing

I actually think blaster boats may well be the biggest loosers when things settle down, torp ravens may well be able to kill em now before a blastethon gets in range. hence the raven speed drop.Wink

Seeems its the caldari flyers who are crying loudest, yet the gallente may be the biggest loosers.Neutral

Hyveres
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.11.14 00:15:00 - [164]
 

Afaik maxed out TP skills = 45 km optimal , 90 km falloff.

Dont see the problem.

KhaniKirai
Posted - 2008.11.14 11:20:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Harrii Karrie
Some people say: use a target painter....
Those people I guess have never trained target painting skills or looked on the stats, but 30-40km optimal with 60-70km falloff is not enough, if you are firing cruise missiles over longer range.
This option would be only valid, if the target painter had WAY more range as well.



you paint a target at 100km plus opt + falloff and thats not enougth,Crying or Very sad

Try being in a rail, artiy, or beam laser equipped ship, dammped down to about 10 km,s. at least you can still do damage using fof,sLaughing

I actually think blaster boats may well be the biggest loosers when things settle down, torp ravens may well be able to kill em now before a blastethon gets in range. hence the raven speed drop.Wink

Seeems its the caldari flyers who are crying loudest, yet the gallente may be the biggest loosers.Neutral


Fire FOF??? and hit your own alliance mates?
Damped down? Missile boats also suffer from that and several types of launchers dont have fof.
You do realize how falloff and optimal work on target painters?
Its barely effective over the optimal, so it doesnt fit with cruise missiles.
They are only effective with short range ships, like torps and blasters.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2008.11.14 12:01:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Killer Gandry on 14/11/2008 12:01:15
Well I don't see a problem, merely a challenge to get another setup working.

I feel for those who can't seem to get out of their rusted habbits of warping in, target and spam cruisemissiles till all is dead.

If you really are against using a targetpainter you might want to look into some droneskills, throw in a nice mix of targetpainting drones along with some webbing drones, use the nice module in high for more range on drones and voila, no need to sacrifice a midslot.

Yes it requires some training, but atleast you wont break down on your tank.

Next to that I don't see the need of the flaming that people throw back and forth. Not only in this thread but in virtually any thread.

It's very obvious we tend to forget one major thing here and that is that people log in to have fun in the game. Be it PvE, PvP, mining, researching, production and so on.

I have done my share of PvP in the passt and will go back to it in the future again, but for now I do PvE.
Does that make me less of a player compared to the hardcore PvP players?
I think not. There is no dark side and no light side, neither is there a right and a wrong side, there are merely different types of gamestyle. And badly enough each side seems to mainly think they are right and can only express it by overyelling eachother's opinions with flames and namecalling.

For your mutual information: When entering an arguement, yelling doesn't make you right, it only weakens your position.

A bit of sarcasm is fine but people tend to forget there are things as borders and behaviour when it comes to posting on the internet.
They can hide behind a big wall of annonimity which, in my opinion, makes them more a coward then someone who can really discuss and point out his idea's and suggestions.

Moral degradations are easy accepted and even adapted into by others because a lot of times it's easier to just follow the masses you allready hang out with then stippulating your own opinions in a normal manner.

I read a lot "Adapt" "Learn to play" and not even going to list the unneeded namecallings I have watched and read for several years now.

But what if I don't want to adapt and get into a line with people who think common normal behaviour isn't needed in social interaction?

I am sorry for the parent of those players who think any type of behaviour is acceptable because it's merely a MMO, and for those with own children I feel sorry because of what they actually teach their children by behaving like this in a gameforum and in gamechats.

The minute you start accepting anti social behaviour as part of any sociŽty, be it in real life or in any game where communication is a vital part of the game and you just say adapt to it then you loose an important part of what should set us apart from hooligans.

You can shoot someone without behaving like a raving lunatic and you can loose a ship to someone without going into a huge fit and insult the player who just podkilled you.

It's a game Ladies and Gentelmen, and in every game you have winners and losers and just people who participate to enjoy.

So don't only be a sportive loser, try to be a sportive winner aswell.

Thank you for taking your time to read through this wall of text. And have a nice time ingame in whatever your goals are.

DrefsabZN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.11.14 12:26:00 - [167]
 

WAWAWAWAWAWAWA cry more noob's, the tears of my Caldari brethren is like music to my ears.

Im a Caldari pilot, I fly a CNR, I use missiles and I do lvl 4's with ease. Did about 20 last night nice and easy, infact the hardest thing was traveling from one gate to another.

My cruise were popping battleships so quick, cruisers even quicker. My drones (yes drones I know shock horror) were tearing frigs to shrews. Once the Battleships and cruiser's were down I launched my missiles at the frigs and they went down easy enough.

My corp has several caldari pilots all doing lvl 4's easy enough. Some are having to put a little more work into their supporting skills but thats to be expected, everyone else has to do that so its damned right Caldari do to :).

As for pvp not tried it recently but well caldari sucked at pvp before (well part from EW) so if thats still the case then its no change there. Though I doubt its all that bad just like missions arnt really that bad.

Ackwell
Caldari
Tiera Javelin Ltd.
Posted - 2008.11.14 12:47:00 - [168]
 

Not to mention Caldari really does have pretty good hybrid platforms. Those have just been overpowered before by missile ships. I love how two my all time favorite ships, Ferox and Rokh are now actually more viable choice for a Caldari pilot.

Leonardo Sabrioski
Red Horizon Inc
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.11.14 12:54:00 - [169]
 

Use an AB
Don't use fricking cruise/torps on cruisers or frigs
Use Tech 2 light drones.
Im still using Caldari. Its actually way more effective now than it was before. So stop whining you fricking 3 million sper misison runner. Go complain somewhere else.

Hecate Shaw
Caldari
United Freemerchants Society
Posted - 2008.11.14 13:03:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: KhaniKirai
Originally by: Tom Perrish
Originally by: Malcanis
THE SKY IS FALLING!


Hint: I'm ratting in my cerb right now and it's fine.

QFT, doing the same in my cerb


Exactly, thats the problem now.
Raven has no more use, its cheaper to use hac or bc and use t2 heavy assault or heavy missiles to rat with.
Why spent extra isk for a bigger target with less resist, with bonusses on weapon systems, that are no good against their own size and 1 size smaller?

I dont see the use of a raven anymore. People say fit a target painter. Last time i checked these t2 things have like 30km optimal with 60km fall off or something. Bit silly if you were sniping with a raven before.



I've tried flying my Raven since the patch, and while I noticed a difference, I don't think it was at all unusable. The cruise missiles worked quite well on BS's, and with my character's moderately good missile skills they even took out the BC's and cruisers efficiently enough. I definitely felt the sting from the frigs, but a few drones made them pop readily enough, and my drone skills are not what one might call "stellar".

I did notice that standard missiles seem much weaker against frigs than they used to be. I must confess to a bit of confusion on that score, since they are the "right size" for frigs. Anyone know if CCP meant for that to happen?


Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2008.11.14 13:43:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: DrefsabZN
WAWAWAWAWAWAWA cry more noob's, the tears of my Caldari brethren is like music to my ears.



This is a fine example of someone who thinks he makes himself better by talking other people down.

Just for your information, I have no problems with lvl 4 missions or lvl 5's.

But calling someone a n00b just proves you still have a lot to learn about normal behaviour.

Ow and by the way, the one who actually wastes missiles in frigates while flying a BS shouldn't cry wolf too often.

Warspawn
Posted - 2008.11.14 14:10:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Warspawn on 14/11/2008 14:14:46
Edited by: Warspawn on 14/11/2008 14:12:03
Originally by: waruiushiro
Basically what I'm getting at here is that people who can't deal with their Raven not killing frigates with weapons NEVER intended for killing frigates fail at EVE and life in general. Know what happens when you shoot at a frigate with large artillery?

1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely
1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely
1400mm Large Artillery II misses *insert frigate here* completely

That's not nerfed damage, IT'S NO DAMAGE. So, we use drones only, or get creative and find ways to reduce transversal. Your race has turrets to, so really you shouldn't complain about training them.


Great post there, very true. I trained my Minmatar up for months to be almost as capable as a Caldari just comming off of trial. My favorite email was from a friend playing Caldari, when I asked him if he needed any skillbooks or rails that I'd looted. "Nope, no reason to do that. Missles pretty much take care of anything I run into.."

This patch just adds some dimension to the Caldari. They're still fun and effective, but they have to diversify their training a bit more, just like all the other races. It's actually fun to fly a cruiser again, without being instantly obliterated by a barrage of cruise missles. Puts alot more ships on the field being useful, instead of just missle boats, which should never have been firing their larger ordinance at smaller ships.

TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.11.14 14:30:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Serax
'omg nerf nanos!'
'WTF you nerfed my overpowered **** too?!?!'

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA


lol so on the spot.

PS I love winners they make my day.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2008.11.14 14:39:00 - [174]
 

I think by now there is more than enough evidence that missiles are still very effective, they just require fitting slightly differently, and perhaps a change in emphasis in your training and tactics.

It is now getting to the point where people doing the emoragequit threads are starting to look more than a little silly.


An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.14 14:45:00 - [175]
 

My Crow, Rokh, Phoenix and whatever else I may fly are still working just fine.

Squably
Minmatar
Invenio Inceptum
Posted - 2008.11.14 15:07:00 - [176]
 

*cough* bull**** op*cough*


Zillazuki
Nex Exercitus
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.11.14 15:28:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Ultrakorne

i tryed a quest for 6 hours...



Quest?

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.11.14 15:57:00 - [178]
 

Quest? We don't do ... "Quests".

GTFO and Go Back to WOW!11



Originally by: KhaniKirai
Edited by: KhaniKirai on 13/11/2008 11:42:34
that also needs a FIX FAST: Now drones are getting basically NEEDED, when are the caldari getting a decent drone bay and bandwith?
When are the eagle and cerberus getting also drone space?



This caught my interest.

As an amarr player.

You mean Ravens could get away with doing level 4's before with no 5xtech 2 medium drones to pull their ass out the fire in the worse situation?

OOoooo Very Happy

Also, whats wrong with the Raven drone bay? 75m3 space and bandwidth, same as all the other tier 2 tech 1 battleships, no?

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.11.14 16:12:00 - [179]
 

Right. I'm going to hopefully sort this out once and for all so everyone can shut up.

Missiles have been nerfed, and they have been nerfed hard by this patch. Anyone denying that is ignorant. It has made a lot of the standard setups that are stable for mission running break, especially, like always, for low SP characters.

However, it brings them into line with turrets and the other races, so actually this makes them more realistic. The new missile mechanics are also more realistic in their design and we should cheer CCP for doing this. Turrets have always had it harder than missiles for PVP and PVE, and which is why I have trained missiles a lot.

Target painters and webs are now your tracking enhancers. Previously, we didn't need them. All turret ships need them, so why not us eh? So you are going to have to fit them. Complaining about shield tanking all day gets you no where. Minmatar have the Maelstrom and the Tempest, both which shield tank and have had to deal with this for a long time. Infact they have it worse because their guns suck aswell, so think yourself lucky.

In missions, I have noticed that my missiles now do variations in damage due to the speed of rats. Cruise missiles are the equivalent of Arts or rails. So by and by, hitting ships that move fast, even cruisers is hard. We don't suffer from trans velocity, we suffer from speed. The only solution is to make the target bigger and slower.

The issue with the changes, is that the values for Explosion velocity etc, need to be changed slightly. At the moment, even a BS can speed tank a cruise missile, and reduce damage by about 50% + if it isn't painted. It doesn't even have to be moving very fast. This shouldn't happen. I have no problem with anything below BS's being harder to hit and do damage to, but hitting a big big ship with a cruise missile shouldn't be an issue. A bit less damage is fine. But when I hit for 300 when the target is slow and hit for 100 when its going slightly faster for a BS, that is a bit odd I think.

It is simply a matter of tweaking the stats a bit more. Which I think they will.

To deal with this in missions, paint the target, and move so the target ship has to change its direction, thus reducing its velocity. Remember your velocity has no bearing like a turret ship, you just have to change the opponents velocity. This might mean flying the raven or whatever about, rather than sitting in a spot shooting missiles and tanking like a giant floating platform.

Play around with reducing your tank for painters and increasing your cap regen and booster regen. So less hardners and more boost and more cap. Play with the ships and experiment. I can get by by just taking off 1 hardner and fitting a painter. But in a minute I'm going to try fitting lots of painters and 2 amps instead, maybe lose a few of my CN BCU's.

I have no turret skills at all, and my drone skills suck, so I'm having to really try to deal with what they have done.


The reason everyone is going crazy is that all the setups people are happy with have to be changed, and for caldari ships taking off the shield tank hurts a lot.

Don't quit eve, its still great. Ammar have been crap for a long time, gallente got drone's nerfed and now have issues getting close for blasters, Minmatar have it worse than us probably. Now Ammar are the uber race, I don't get upset. They were so **** for so long I'm happy they are better than what I fly. Lasers are cool.

Yes it has hit us hard, but that's eve and that's life. I think the changes are for the good of the game. The game is still fun, the game still gets my heart pounding for PVP and I will still specialize in Caldari because they have cool turret ships as well and I love the cerb and have yet to fly the nighthawk, which looks uber.

I would still fly a CNR cruise raven over a turret ship for missions. The only one that is possibly better now is the Domi or Golem.




Murk Loar
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.14 16:13:00 - [180]
 

My Manti is still scarey.

My Falcon still annoys the hell out of red gangs.

My Drake still handles 98% of Level 4's with no trouble.

T2 Light Drones still tear out NPC frig/cruiser rectum.

Nothing to see here,move along.

PS:I'll take your stuff.


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