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Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.11.12 09:50:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Damned Force on 12/11/2008 10:02:24
Devs telling us we get free expansion....

Lets check patch notes.....

OH

Orca is the only new thing.

Everything else is balancing or bugfix. Things which should work good already since 2003.....


FREE EXPANSION LOL


DEVS do you know what is an expansion?????
In an expansion should be:

new modules, new weapons, new missions, new solarsystems, new ships...new new new.....

Yuki Nagoto
Posted - 2008.11.12 10:19:00 - [2]
 

Patch and expansion equal the same things in the eyes of ccp.

I agree with you.

LoneRider
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
Posted - 2008.11.12 10:59:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: LoneRider on 12/11/2008 11:08:51
What else did we get?

...new Weapon Grouping Function, new Stargate Models, new Alchemy for producing "rare" T2 Materials, new Missions for all levels, new Certificates, new Award System?

These are not "balancing" or "bugfix" but new stuff.

read the patch logs! :)

You have to pay 25 bucks für new content like that for most other online games...

/edit: Made some things clearer :)

SkwisgaarSkwigelf
Deliciously Vicious
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:05:00 - [4]
 

So the speed changes, missile changes and web changes etc AREN'T 'balancing'?

If other games charged for this I dont think they would last all that long.

LoneRider
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf
So the speed changes, missile changes and web changes etc AREN'T 'balancing'?


Of course they are - with "no balancing" i meant the things I mentioned...

eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: LoneRider
Edited by: LoneRider on 12/11/2008 11:01:49
What did we get?

...new Weapon Grouping Function, new Stargate Models, new Alchemy for producing "rare" T2 Materials, new Missions for all levels, new Certificates, new Award System?

no balancing, no bugfix, all new stuff.

read the patch logs! :)

You have to pay 25 bucks für new content like that for most other online games...


the balance was the speed nerf and missile nerf just fyi ^^

but yea we got all that and to me it is an expansion and who cares its a free expansion id rather them be free than be payed for

SkwisgaarSkwigelf
Deliciously Vicious
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:11:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf on 12/11/2008 11:12:53
Originally by: LoneRider
Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf
So the speed changes, missile changes and web changes etc AREN'T 'balancing'?


Of course they are - with "no balancing" i meant the things I mentioned...


ah sorry I misunderstood. Sad

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:40:00 - [8]
 

Whats free about paying 15 bucks per month?

but there are enough new things to call it an expansion...the stacking thing is coolLaughing

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:50:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: McFly on 12/11/2008 11:52:18
Expansion and Patch are the same thing in eve guys... only difference is new login screen and some changes, It's not really all that common that we get new ships, about once a year or so. I mean revelations I had the Tier II BC and Tier III BS, then the next new ship patch was Trinity about a year later with HICs, EAFs, Black Ops, JFs, and Marauders... but that was a huge patch.

Anyway, RMR was about 7 months before Rev I, I believe. but doesn't really matter, T3 ships are coming in the Spring Expansion. So that will be 'New'... Stackless IO and EVE64, are godsends, I was in a huge fight the other night, with all my effects on, and audio as well (which I've not done in years)... lag was barely noticeable until I cranked up the Bloom and Stencils. That is new, that is what I'm happy we have. Lag isn't gone, but I live on the Westcoast, so just about everytime there's a hiccup on the Node in LA, Chicago, Denver, New York or London, I get DC'd.... Which since the StacklessIO and EVE64 stuff has been done the game has been much much more playable...

Dont ***** about lag today, it's patchday things are always a little funky on patchdays.

Edit Connection Explanation: Eve seems to hold my client better now, if I lag due to a hiccup in one of the SONET Nodes across the US, I tend to stay in the game now, and not DC.

--McFly--

San Rintu
United For Thrash
Posted - 2008.11.12 11:55:00 - [10]
 

I would say that StacklessIO and Eve64 are worth this expansion alone. The technology driving it and the effect it is having on 'lag' which we all took for granted. Suddenly it's clearing up or simply becoming non existent.

So you won't be able to level a new character to 70. I feel for you, I really do.

CCP are prioritising as they said they would do and how A LOT of the player base have asked them to. To remove or reduce the lag in gameplay would be as good as adding 50 pointless ships to aid your musings. It is nice to see the implementation end of the Need for Speed initative. It will effect everyone in the game in a positive manner, be you in a fleet of 800 or simply missioning in Motsu.

Dominatrix Distraction
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:02:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Dominatrix Distraction on 12/11/2008 12:08:09
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Whats free about paying 15 bucks per month?

but there are enough new things to call it an expansion...the stacking thing is coolLaughing


That you are still able to log the next months into a "damn hard to keep stable running" cluster server technology and enjoy a great designed game for loads of fun where not just a couple of super-hero nerds working on ... fed and supported by mum and dad. :-P

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:25:00 - [12]
 

lol get what you pay for?

Terror Rising
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:26:00 - [13]
 

Did you really laugh out load? Or just think it?

sxndy
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:45:00 - [14]
 

I want my free stuff now!

Harrent
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:49:00 - [15]
 

best thing is that there is no "hearding" as in, the new areas get congested and become a new economic power.

In other games, the new areas are always overcrowded to the point of exteme lag and the markets always change.

Releasing expansions slow allows people to adapt their marketing and missioning... etc...

Id rather have it this way coming from a game where the next day NOTHING that youve put on market sells due to expansion hoarding all the players to one of the 15 new maps.

Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:29:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
Whats free about paying 15 bucks per month?


Monthly fees are meant to be used to upkeep the system, pay staff, etc. People should be happy we don't get charged 40$ to buy the new expansion. Hell, if they included the 40$/bi-yearly for expansions into the monthly fee, we'd all be paying roughly 21.50$.

I for one am enjoying my free expansion. It is awesome.

DrDooma
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:45:00 - [17]
 

Just to clarify: the words "free extension" were not mean for players that know the game but for those that are just starting to play it.

Coincidently, speed enhancements were badly needed. And i would rather get bugs fixed then do what most other games do and give 100 'new'- meaning same old crap that in different colors.


Caiman Graystock
Caldari
Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
Posted - 2008.11.12 16:04:00 - [18]
 

wah wah I'm crying about something I didn't have to pay any extra for.

Who cares what they call it.

LoneRider
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
Posted - 2008.11.12 16:19:00 - [19]
 

I guess most of us agree that this is a really big step (for speed and lag) and a good step for new content (award & certificate stuff, new missions, alchemy, orca), and it is for free, so i guess the thread starter just didn't read the patch log... (he's complaining about no new missions, but there are new missions, so the "he didn't read it" thing seems quite obvious Smile )

So let's celebrate... yeah right... :)

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.11.12 16:56:00 - [20]
 

Your forgetting the major updates to EVE performance for EVE 64 and STACKLESS IO.
They formed a bulk of the expansion, but as they were released as early as possible (which makes sense, wld u prefer they waited just for the dates sake? lol).

There are other things like gate changes, certificates, medals, new module thingy, weapon grouping etc.

Though i will agree. it does feel more like a large patch than expansion, due to the lack of major new content, as most changes has been relatively small considering previous expansions.

Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
Posted - 2008.11.12 17:02:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Caiman Graystock
wah wah I'm crying about something I didn't have to pay any extra for.

Who cares what they call it.


I do believe that if CCP gave us an expansion that compared to the blizzard WoW paid expansions, "The Burning Crusade" "Wrath of the Litch King". Then Most real players would be more than happy to pay for it.

Give us more areas, introduce more ships, have expansion only content. Let me see more and more good stuff and I will pay for it. But a bug fix, a ton of nerfs and a few enhancements is by no means adequate. Its merely keeping status quo.

Caiman Graystock
Caldari
Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
Posted - 2008.11.12 17:06:00 - [22]
 

Well the March expansion, with its elaborate new mission system, customsiable T3 ships and wormhole exploration to new, unexplored space will fulfil that for ye then.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.11.12 17:18:00 - [23]
 

I don't care how they name it. It could have bee worst though: Payed for Expansion. Very Happy

Minny Sky
Posted - 2008.11.12 23:42:00 - [24]
 

free pain in my behind

Constance Harme
Posted - 2008.11.12 23:47:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Constance Harme on 12/11/2008 23:47:32
Originally by: Damned Force
Edited by: Damned Force on 12/11/2008 10:02:24
Devs telling us we get free expansion....

Lets check patch notes.....

OH

Orca is the only new thing.

Everything else is balancing or bugfix. Things which should work good already since 2003.....


FREE EXPANSION LOK


DEVS do you know what is an expansion?????
In an expansion should be:

new modules, new weapons, new missions, new solarsystems, new ships...new new new.....


LOLLLL OMG THIS IS SO STOOPID ISNT IT. FREE EXPANSION LOL

So what at the very least you didnt pay for anything, and you did get a new ship and some other things to play with. Why does everything have to be content? massive amounts of optimization code is an expansion in my book.

Be happy, more importantly be quiet.

Killer Kelly
Allied Tactical Unit
Brutally Organized Ruthless Gangsters
Posted - 2008.11.13 00:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Damned Force
Edited by: Damned Force on 12/11/2008 10:02:24
Devs telling us we get free expansion....

Lets check patch notes.....

OH

Orca is the only new thing.

Everything else is balancing or bugfix. Things which should work good already since 2003.....


FREE EXPANSION LOL


DEVS do you know what is an expansion?????
In an expansion should be:

new modules, new weapons, new missions, new solarsystems, new ships...new new new.....


quit

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2008.11.13 00:08:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Damned Force
Edited by: Damned Force on 12/11/2008 10:02:24
Devs telling us we get free expansion....

Lets check patch notes.....

OH

Orca is the only new thing.

Everything else is balancing or bugfix. Things which should work good already since 2003.....


FREE EXPANSION LOL


DEVS do you know what is an expansion?????
In an expansion should be:

new modules, new weapons, new missions, new solarsystems, new ships...new new new.....


You're wrong. This was the biggest expansion ever, and only one developer has done better (guess who). It's the biggest and bestest you will ever see from CCP. It has so much fail crammed into every kilobit you will have diarrhea out your eyes and DIE, and your corpse will be atomically disintegrated to prevent the FAIL from SPREADING.

My God. It's full of FAIL.

The women in Iceland make the fat American women look slender, also. That could be the source of CCP's fail.

Killer Kelly
Allied Tactical Unit
Brutally Organized Ruthless Gangsters
Posted - 2008.11.13 00:31:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
It has so much fail crammed into every kilobit you will have diarrhea out your eyes and DIE, and your corpse will be atomically disintegrated to prevent the FAIL from SPREADING.


Its not kicking in fast enough for you, dude.

Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.11.13 01:03:00 - [29]
 

i'd like to return quantum rise tbqh.

Can we have a legacy server for a couple months as we cross train?

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2008.11.13 02:06:00 - [30]
 

Who the hell would pay for an expansion to a game with a subscription? Why is that the fact that an expansion is free is a selling point when people that do not get the expansion CAN NO LONGER PLAY AND THEREFORE WILL NOT SUBSCRIBE?

This just in... My bank allows free deposits!!!




Patri


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