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RedSplat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.27 16:26:00 - [1]
 

Title pretty much sums up my question. Providing one isn't set red with CVA can anyone slink into CVA 0.0 ad rat/mine to ones hearts content and remain unmolested by them?

Or is this merely the public face?

(this isn't an opportunity for people to recount 'CVA shot me' sob stories or general trolling. Oh Christ i just asked CAOD not to troll a thread... Neutral)

CDLoon
Minmatar
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.10.27 16:35:00 - [2]
 

If you havent offended CVA or their pets / friends, you can go into CVA space and rat without being troubled by them. There would still be the normal "be careful" warnings, because roamers can still pass through and pick you off.

If you are actually blue with CVA you would get an intel channel as well, but i guess you just want free rats.

Neronious
Caldari
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.10.27 16:38:00 - [3]
 

CVA has a NRDS policy and they hold to that policy

RedSplat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.27 16:45:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Neronious
CVA has a NRDS policy and they hold to that policy


Are Sev CVA friendly? I think i am set red for you fellas thanks to the actions of a previous corp and a triggerhappy CEO Question

Spoon Thumb
Caldari
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2008.10.27 17:07:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 27/10/2008 17:12:11

It appears you're not on our KOS list, but maybe check with a diplomat first. Also check with a diplomat first if you have low sec status (-5.0 or below) as you may be mistaken for a pirate.

Providence region and all the alliances who hold space there operate NRDS policy, using the same single KOS / Red list. If you or your corp/allianec mates shoot someone not on that list, you go KOS / red, otherwise, you're free to rat and mine. No POS, locking is considered a hostile act, outpost docking fees are 0.2isk / m3 of ship volume, no macroing, no can flipping or theft, concord wars do not exempt you from the usual rules. We're not concord but generally try to help where possible

Always wear a seatbelt, fly safe Smile

Edit: Policy extends to all Amarr low sec, but for practical reasons we can't have a presence everywhere (yet), so also don't be mistaken that once out of Providence you can go about being a pirate with no reprocussions.

Dathremar
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2008.10.27 17:09:00 - [6]
 

Severance is blue to CVA.

You should keep that in mind, I suggest talking to a CVA diplo (sorry guys) before heading out. I know most systems are open to whoever, the stations all have fees on them I believe, but as long as you are not red to CVA you will be fine.

But I think it is important to note that CVA's rules are different from the alliances that live within and around Providence. Many of them have their own policies on neutrals and ratting. They are all NRDS but I know there are some alliances that don't allow neutrals to rat in certain systems. You will have to find out from them what the deal is with that.

Even though Providence in general is relatively safe to neutrals or new players to 0.0 you have to keep in mind that there are several roaming hostile gangs that move through. AAA is right on CVA's doorstep and have many small gangs roaming through providence during all hours. Another reason I suggest you talk to a diplo. You don't want to lose ships to hostile gangs.

Spoon Thumb
Caldari
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2008.10.27 17:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dathremar

But I think it is important to note that CVA's rules are different from the alliances that live within and around Providence. Many of them have their own policies on neutrals and ratting. They are all NRDS but I know there are some alliances that don't allow neutrals to rat in certain systems. You will have to find out from them what the deal is with that.


All alliances in Providence are required to operate the same rules / system. However, sylph alliance may additionally request you do not rat in certain of their Catch systems. They also have a no NPC characters policy again in their Catch systems

Also worth adding there is a system for redemption from KOS list and policy regarding accidents / misunderstandings

RedSplat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.27 17:56:00 - [8]
 

Thanks to all for the info, i'll check in with a CVA diplo as i remember being engaged on gate by Sev3rance in the KB7 area when i used to live closer to Prov.


Kuolematon
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2008.10.27 18:48:00 - [9]
 

Out of curiosity but where can I find if my corp is red or not?

Aimel
Caldari
Beasts of Burden
Posted - 2008.10.27 19:51:00 - [10]
 

bounty's are low in prov.

Cupdeez
Caldari
Out of Order
Posted - 2008.10.27 20:05:00 - [11]
 

The 0.0 CVA space has horrible rats.. I think you can find better rats in empire.

Although if you rat hunt CVA they drop pretty good stuff. They will bring 20 people for a 5 man gang so watch out. Normally you can pick them off but expect a fight from them.

IWill Ducttapeyou
Gallente
School of PWN
Posted - 2008.10.27 22:21:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Neronious
CVA has a NRDS policy and they hold to that policy


Unlike Foundati0n. :)

Faife
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.10.27 22:39:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Cupdeez
The 0.0 CVA space has horrible rats.. I think you can find better rats in empire.

Although if you rat hunt CVA they drop pretty good stuff. They will bring 20 people for a 5 man gang so watch out. Normally you can pick them off but expect a fight from them.


it is however possible to chain them for better spawns

Mr Crepsley
Gallente
Assisted Genocide
Posted - 2008.10.27 23:24:00 - [14]
 

ITT'S A TRAPP

on a serious note don't go cva fail

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2008.10.27 23:46:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Verx Interis on 27/10/2008 23:47:01
delete this post

RedSplat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.28 00:13:00 - [16]
 

Ugh, seems my current corp is set red to CVA anyway Neutral

Never mind. Do these CVA rats drop officer loot?

Liatta Voltair
Amarr
Imperial Duck Regiment
The Reclaimers
Posted - 2008.10.28 00:25:00 - [17]
 

It usually helps to contact a diplomat in game with these questions instead of CAOD. And for info you dont appear red to me or on our KOS list so would be interested to hear (in game) where you heard you were.

AdmiralDovolski
Gallente
do you
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.10.28 01:44:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 27/10/2008 17:12:11

It appears you're not on our KOS list, but maybe check with a diplomat first. Also check with a diplomat first if you have low sec status (-5.0 or below) as you may be mistaken for a pirate.

Providence region and all the alliances who hold space there operate NRDS policy, using the same single KOS / Red list. If you or your corp/allianec mates shoot someone not on that list, you go KOS / red, otherwise, you're free to rat and mine. No POS, locking is considered a hostile act, outpost docking fees are 0.2isk / m3 of ship volume, no macroing, no can flipping or theft, concord wars do not exempt you from the usual rules. We're not concord but generally try to help where possible

Always wear a seatbelt, fly safe Smile

Edit: Policy extends to all Amarr low sec, but for practical reasons we can't have a presence everywhere (yet), so also don't be mistaken that once out of Providence you can go about being a pirate with no reprocussions.



just wondering, does CVA keep a KOS list that is public? id like to see whats on it YARRRR!!

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.10.28 02:19:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kuolematon
Out of curiosity but where can I find if my corp is red or not?


Http://www.CVA-EVE.org/kos/

Open that ingame.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.10.28 02:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cupdeez
The 0.0 CVA space has horrible rats.. I think you can find better rats in empire.


In level 4s, maybe, however, while the bounties may suck, the salvage is pretty godly. Even with the price of melted capacitor consoles down about 50% from a year ago, they still net quite a bit. The market is pretty competetive with empire, what good loot does drop is often worth quite a bit as well.

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2008.10.28 04:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: RedSplat
Ugh, seems my current corp is set red to CVA anyway Neutral

Never mind. Do these CVA rats drop officer loot?


CVA rats usually drop some crap named t1 loots. I think it's because region has low true sec. I think ccp didn't want to make them drop too good stuff, otherwise AAA would be farming them 23/7.

StainLessStealRat
Caldari
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.28 05:00:00 - [22]
 

CVA are true to there NRDS policy and in general providance is a great place to fly,Nice people good intel and great Reds too shoot like AAA Atlas ect.

ratting is just as good as anywhere just as long as you salvage.

P.S big hello to CVA and 101010 miss flying with you guys

RedSplat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.28 10:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Liatta Voltair
It usually helps to contact a diplomat in game with these questions instead of CAOD. And for info you dont appear red to me or on our KOS list so would be interested to hear (in game) where you heard you were.


I have evemailed a diplo with the situation as i believe it to be. Eh, its been a while so i went back and refreshed my memory.

My first ever corp 'Shiny Industrys' was apparently set red after our CEO at the time Nicholai Sanse engaged some Sev3rance guys on the Dihra- KB7' something or other gate; still don't know why Neutral

I discovered this after i got picked off on gate by Sev3rance guys and got in contact with to Dreamy and Ironpig (and in hindsight given i have re-read the logs cheers to Dreamy for proving Sev can be civil in communications). Dreamy mentioned by eve-mail that the consequences of the corp being set to neg standings meant that even after leaving the corp i would be flagged as red to them.Question

Nice when you find this kind of stuff out from an alliance and not your own CEO.

Now apparently my current corp might be kos for CVA space, or so say some of our guys.

Gah, waiting on the diplo for a reply; cant check eve till this evening.

dookes
Gallente
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.28 16:10:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: IWill Ducttapeyou
Originally by: Neronious
CVA has a NRDS policy and they hold to that policy


Unlike Foundati0n. :)


What? We good guys. ;)

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2008.10.28 21:07:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: AdmiralDovolski


just wondering, does CVA keep a KOS list that is public? id like to see whats on it YARRRR!!


No, it isn't public. I believe its exclusive to CVA only and maybe some providence holders. Outside of that, good luck finding out.

--Isaac

LunaticWithCandy
Caldari
Gates of Valhalla
Posted - 2008.10.28 21:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Kuolematon
Out of curiosity but where can I find if my corp is red or not?


Http://www.CVA-EVE.org/kos/

Open that ingame.


I don't have any intention of going down to CVA space but out of curiosity I followed that link and found that I am not KOS according to that link.

I then typed in my alliance and found that I am KOS according to that link.

Toko Baru
Minmatar
Kleinrock Heavy Industries
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2008.10.29 01:04:00 - [27]
 

CVA is friendly and fair Alliance :)

Spoon Thumb
Caldari
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2008.10.29 01:30:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: LunaticWithCandy
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Kuolematon
Out of curiosity but where can I find if my corp is red or not?


Http://www.CVA-EVE.org/kos/

Open that ingame.


I don't have any intention of going down to CVA space but out of curiosity I followed that link and found that I am not KOS according to that link.

I then typed in my alliance and found that I am KOS according to that link.


As a general rule, always check alliance, then corp, then the individual's name. If you/they don't come up as KOS for any of those, then you aren't.



Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.29 01:34:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Rufus MacMaranth on 29/10/2008 01:35:26
Originally by: Cupdeez
The 0.0 CVA space has horrible rats.. I think you can find better rats in empire.


Actually, assuming you have half a brain and chain the ratting/salvaging is way more profitable than the best lvl 4 mission running. The only downside is it can be difficult some days to find a system to chain, and there is always the odd numbskull that breaks the chains. The rats typically die way faster than the mission rats and provide (on average) better bounties.

Never seen an officer spawn but the usual BS faction and hauler spawns.

If you explore there are also Bistot belts and all the other usual arch/salvage stuff.

Originally by: Cupdeez
Although if you rat hunt CVA they drop pretty good stuff. They will bring 20 people for a 5 man gang so watch out. Normally you can pick them off but expect a fight from them.

And the difference from the other space holding 0.0 alliances in this respect is?

Cheers,
Ruf.
PS: the other (non-holder) residents of Providence often form fleets to go after intruders too, so it can be some fun pewpew too. Of course although some of the fleets are excellent it can be hit and miss.

Holy Lowlander
Amarr
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.10.29 06:46:00 - [30]
 

Half of EVE is red to CVA tough , so make sure to check that list first....


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