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IR Scoutar
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1771]
 

it may be just me but ive never seen that account maintanance page ever

great stuff great stuff Laughing

Mriss
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1772]
 

Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake.Very Happy

Triksterism
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1773]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...


Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it.

ATARI BABY
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1774]
 

Originally by: lucy stirling
Well i don't see what is wrong what CCP are doing.

I have two characters and there payed for i think if you want more then 1 character then you must be willing to pay for it as you are the one that desided you have another character.

To me it make perfect sence as CCP is a game that people love and hate sometimes. CCP make a great game and for them to make this great game and improve it they need people to pay for there time on the game.

I know this upset people but they need to know they are a Company that has people that work for them and very good people too and they have to pay there wages and so on.

May agaist other people i am not just i can understand what CCP are doing.


my sig tells ya whats wrong.

Koyama Ise
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 - [1775]
 

CCP before you go bankrupt and lose your servers... release the source code...

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1776]
 

Edited by: Helios vector on 14/10/2008 14:37:00
i feel like i was just led into a dark alley by a man called CCP who offered me a piece of candy called EVEonline. when i was far enough in the alleyway..... He ****d me.

thats how this "bug" fix makes me feel.

I feel so violated.

Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1777]
 

Originally by: Mriss
Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake.Very Happy


yea this is really annyoing.

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1778]
 

Make get xp just if u online. much more than now, cca 3-5x the ammount and just if peoples online, BUT THAN LET THEM JUST PAY FOR THE TIME THEY PLAYING

let say 7-8 cent/hour Twisted Evil

Mask Fedor
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:35:00 - [1779]
 

Well, EvE is sucking more and more every day anyway..

http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp

Yes, worked as intended before, but now is haxxx

Anyway, goodbye 2 alts (cap pilots).

My main was already cancelled before.

SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:36:00 - [1780]
 

Originally by: Mriss
Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake.Very Happy


Stop payment on the credit card, push come to shove.
Laughing

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1781]
 

Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?

Eh? Training a skill does not prevent you playing!

Personally I'm aginst the change, but you do not need to ghost train to learn all those level 5 skills!

Cheers,
Arrs

JanSVK
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1782]
 

I understand your resons. I am not happy but understand.
Now give us skill queue.
I already lost weeks of training time due to unexpected server bugs and errors in game and such things and the only way to get that lost time back was to put up a longer skill when I was taking a break from the game. If it is such a problem that a skill could be finished on an inactive account, the same priority should go to prevent skills not being trained on active accounts.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:37:00 - [1783]
 

Originally by: Signaldog
Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


You can do something...in fact, you can do anything you want, but most importantly, you can PLAY the game you are paying for...nothing says you can't play and train a skill at the same time....I've got BS V on one account (paid for non-stop) and Enough skills/SP to fly a Rorq on a second account (paid for non-stop) and have PLAYED the game the entire time.


You win the award for posting like you haven't been hit in the head repeatedly with a blunt object. You're check will be presented to you at a celebration to be set at a later date.

BIind
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:38:00 - [1784]
 

CCP, you better start improving the game in a way that does not make alts a requirement if you want to get somewhere.

AlphaViscera
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:40:00 - [1785]
 

I see the only trade off is to allow us to have more than one characters on each account training skills concurrently.

CCP to your playerbase, you either get one account paid in full for 12 months of a year, or you get nothing

Mriss
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1786]
 

Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: Mriss
Account management being disabled is icing on the dirt cake.Very Happy


Stop payment on the credit card, push come to shove.
Laughing




I actually tried that. They (bank) would not allow it "as we cannot know should you have received the services already that you were supposed to pay for".

The only way to stop the payments would actually be to terminate the bank account.

Quite... Interesting.

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1787]
 


Jel Ting
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1788]
 

Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN DOES TRAINING A LONG SKILL MAKE YOUR CHARACTER UNABLE TO UNDOCK?

Everyone acts like OMG what do I do while BS 5 is training? Fracking play the mother fracking game you morons!!! Jesus!! Oh no I can't go run a mission I don't have my BS 5 trained, my mining lasers don't work either! Why can't I undock while I have a skill training? Curse you CCP! Oh wait, no everything sems to be working just fine.
Shocked

Annaphera
Minmatar
United Freemerchants Society
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1789]
 

Originally by: Gael Itrus
It was my plan to open a second account to train for caps. I'm afraid that isn't going to happen with these changes.

Also, don't call something a bug when you've previously framed it as a feature.

Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off.


How to train skills, 3rd paragraph.
[http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp]


Wow. 59 pages in, and there are still people assuming that documentation=intent, or even that a single line buried in the players' guide means it was used as a "selling point" (I know you didn't Gael, but others are). Guess what, like jetcan mining, this just kind of happened. Like jetcan mining, they decided to let it go because it was a minor issue, and could be seen as a rare positive "bug". It got documented as "how the software functions". Now it causes them trouble, as it is now systematically abused, so they are getting rid of it.

Virgo I'Platonicus
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:41:00 - [1790]
 

Originally by: Jel Ting
I don't understand the referals to this ghost training as a selling point?
I never saw it in an ad. I know that training a skill while you are logged off is a selling point. This is a Balance issue too. People are power leveling, I say this even though eve has no real equivalance, but for arguments sake let's assume the normal char progression is to train frigates, then go to interceptors or assault frigates, then train for cov ops, recons, hacs, command ships, BS 5, and finally Capital ships and beyond, well that's like 2-3 years in training but you have a pilot that can fly most of a races ships and has support skills across the board. Now if a character is made and simply a course plotted for capital ships you could get there in less than a year and do it by only paying lets say 6 months. So what we have is lots of people creating alts training them to dreads only paying 50% and distorting the balance of characters on the server. I'm not a big alt fan myself, I think Eve should only allow one client to run on a system myself, but if one wants to create an alt and train him anyway he see's fit fine, but pay for it. Money limits things, so if people are spending less on alts then they can create more, this drives down the price of characters and floods the game with "cheap" and plentiful cap pilots and hulks, this is not good for the balance IMHO. I want people to care what they train and train what they play, not train for caps because it's the best way to train long skills for free or reduced cost. For those of you that can't wait 2-4 weeks for a skill to train, put down the caffeine, for the longer skills like 60-80 days, why not wait until your character has other stuff trained before going right for Capitals 5? oh wait you can't play the toon when you train for that because your character has crap skills and can only fly the prerequisites to capitals, tough *****, train an inty they are a blast, stop whining and start playing the game. Don't ***** cause you started in 07 and some guy from 04 has a titan and you don't, and you don't get to catch up to him by hardly paying. Play the game Rolling Eyes


Why? What's the point in playing a char that can't do **** ( and the first 45 days in skill training are a complete waste of time in EVE-sense of gameplay). You don't get more skill points by playing like u used to back in 2003. So why play? It'd be ok if you could get faster SP by activelly doing the thing you're skilling (like gettin sp for firing specific gun and so on) - you don't.

This gimps new players and old players who will more or less stop looking forward to finding something new in eve.

You never saw it in an add? Let me help u there: link - 4th paragraph.

ah well.

V.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:42:00 - [1791]
 

Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...


Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it.


As someone stated earlier: Why should a character gain in value when there's no money being spent on said character?

What other service in the world allows you to use it without being paid for in a consistent manor? Does the phone company not bill you on the days you don't make any phone calls? Does your ISP not charge your for the days you don't serf the web? You're receiving a service and your character is progressing. You should have to pay for said service.

Patric Riegns
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:42:00 - [1792]
 

The posters who write off the threats of players quitting you do understand your in a symbiotic relationship with the other players right? Real or imagined the perception that CCP is lying and treating the customers with contempt is right in front of your eyes. The fact that a 100 pages and counting have already been generated with 90% disapproval rating cannot be dismissed as easily as you seem to imagine. New players will be put off by the negative publicity, many established players will no longer recommend the game to friends, family and colleagues. Add in the discontent with the proposed speed nerf and the perception that it lacks any finesse, strategic foresight, balance or even the nucleus of good programming practice will not be going away either. This means Eve Online is on the cusp of a potentially major decline which may well result in the game disappearing altogether. As 0.0 alliances have proved bad decisions cumulatively taken can have a cascade effect that result in total collapse. Eve Online may be about to learn the same lesson. Then we all lose.

Jel Ting
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:42:00 - [1793]
 

Originally by: Mask Fedor
Well, EvE is sucking more and more every day anyway..

http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp

Yes, worked as intended before, but now is haxxx

Anyway, goodbye 2 alts (cap pilots).

My main was already cancelled before.


Bye Bye, don't let the jumpgate hit your ass on the way out.

Adam Reed
Seniors Clan
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:42:00 - [1794]
 

What utter nonsense, how can people be so blinkered as to think that there's any commercial benefit in CCP allowing people to train skills like this? They are a company trying to make a profit, and as much as I'm in favour of smashing capitalism if you're going to have it you have to accept that companies will do what they can to maximse profits.

Frankly I didn't know that this 'ghost training' existed and was surprised to hear that it did, and has lasted so long. To the people moaning about this change, shut up and pay like the rest of us, or sod off and play Guild Wars. Fair play to CCP I say.

Gedhay
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [1795]
 

Originally by: JanSVK
I understand your resons. I am not happy but understand.
Now give us skill queue.
I already lost weeks of training time due to unexpected server bugs and errors in game and such things and the only way to get that lost time back was to put up a longer skill when I was taking a break from the game. If it is such a problem that a skill could be finished on an inactive account, the same priority should go to prevent skills not being trained on active accounts.


I subscribe to that!!!
And to be able to train on the other 2 char that an payed account offers u

ATARI BABY
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [1796]
 

Originally by: Gajowy
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."

CCP THERE IS A BUG IN PLAYER GUIDE FROM OVER 5 YEARSShockedShocked

hope they can hear me and fix this fast enough before people will feel that they are treated like idiotsCool


too late for total cleanup.

IR Scoutar
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [1797]
 

Originally by: Koyama Ise
CCP before you go bankrupt and lose your servers... release the source code...



why the hell would you want the source code
what you want is the IP or a free license to the eve universe

Triksterism
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [1798]
 

Originally by: Jel Ting
Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN DOES TRAINING A LONG SKILL MAKE YOUR CHARACTER UNABLE TO UNDOCK?

Everyone acts like OMG what do I do while BS 5 is training? Fracking play the mother fracking game you morons!!! Jesus!! Oh no I can't go run a mission I don't have my BS 5 trained, my mining lasers don't work either! Why can't I undock while I have a skill training? Curse you CCP! Oh wait, no everything sems to be working just fine.
Shocked


You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 - [1799]
 

although it probably won't effect ccp to much, lets face it there will still be 30k+ players logged in tonight and tommorow and the day after that

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:44:00 - [1800]
 

Originally by: Jel Ting
Originally by: Lag
This change is complete crap.

Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN DOES TRAINING A LONG SKILL MAKE YOUR CHARACTER UNABLE TO UNDOCK?

Everyone acts like OMG what do I do while BS 5 is training? Fracking play the mother fracking game you morons!!! Jesus!! Oh no I can't go run a mission I don't have my BS 5 trained, my mining lasers don't work either! Why can't I undock while I have a skill training? Curse you CCP! Oh wait, no everything sems to be working just fine.
Shocked


QFT



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