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Gedhay
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:07:00 - [1711]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!

The key right there.

Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never.


Getting people to pay all the time is better than people paying once or twice a year.

Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.


if u pay once or twice a year, u have a lot of time not training anything. so u shouldn't be bother by that.
but if ur going with business somewere or in vacation for 2-3 weeks and in the miwhile ur account goes disable.........

NupetietVer
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1712]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Gunner
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad


If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...


So Eve is for the rich?


lol

Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it?




$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1713]
 

Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lord Fitz

If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind.

Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month.

Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3.


And now you have to pay for every month ... This is kind of CCP's point and the proper way to run a business...


Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1714]
 

Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lord Fitz

If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind.

Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month.

Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3.


Look at Half-Life.

Pls, all, dont touch blizzard in each negative post.

Roseanna
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:08:00 - [1715]
 

Originally by: Kim Wilde
while needed to be removed for financiall reasons.............
this feature of the game was one way of taking a vacation or a break while not loosing out, so introduce a skill queue so we know we wont be paying for a idle account while on vacation and id be happy


this makes total sense.
and for the rest of you, gotta pay to play!

Cpt Hook
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:09:00 - [1716]
 

Edited by: Cpt Hook on 14/10/2008 14:10:06
wtf is going on with the acount management page? Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
why it has been disabled?

this remember me of "those days" when the hole forum page was just "crashing" ...

Quote:
The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance. We are sorry for any inconvenience caused.

maintenance my *ss! Evil or Very Mad

Lilla Kharn
Amarr
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:10:00 - [1717]
 

Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 14/10/2008 14:14:54
Honestly, it's not that I care you did this or not. Well maybe not. I do care about it, I don't believe it should be happening as it is, but if I don't like what you do to the game, I'll just stop playing. No need to post about it. But what really gets me is that you flat out lied to us. You blatantly call this something it's not, you try to promote 'game balance' when clearly this has nothing to do with game balance until you add in R&D.

You give us two days warning on something so serious and try to play it off as something that we shouldn't really care about. The GTC changes really screwed up my accounts to say the least, and this just takes the cake. No, I've never used this feature but I liked that if I needed to I could.

Whoever thought of this must have been drunk, whoever decided to implement it like this must have been high, and whoever decided to call this a bug must be delusional. Several times on your own website it has been stated as feature. Whether this 'feature' was intended or not, it is there and you as a company acknowledged it as one. As someone stated before, when a 'bug' is left there for 5 years, it becomes a game feature. This is widely used, this was not something that was kept secret and suddenly popped up.

*EDIT* Buying GTC's also still supported CCP because even if you didn't pay for GTC, the person you bought it from did. Therefore CCP is still making money. It's not like CCP went out and sold their own GTC's for ISK.

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:10:00 - [1718]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on.

So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you.


You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair.


That's the thing though, the amount of info being stored is trivial, and no more information is stored for chars that are being trained over those that are not. Players that haven't played for years are using as much resource as those who have paid recently, thus those who have paid recently, are 'paying' for people who will never pay again.

IF they were actually serious about it causing database load, they'd be trying to remove rows, and thus completely remove inactive accounts. But they're not. They're removing the ability to train, which will actually cause MORE load on the database, because previously, if a char never logged in (inactive) their skill training was never checked, and thus created no load. If you never tried to login, they don't even need to check if your account is active. Now they need to check if your account is active all the time, so they can stop training if it is not.

This change will create extra database load.

The worst bit about this is that they're treating us like we don't know this, like we're all 'you', and have no idea how things work, and will just accept the fictional reason they give us.

There is only one reason to implement this change, and that's if they want more money and figure the extra handful of people that sign up 100% of the time instead of 75% will make up for the load of people that never resubscribe.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:11:00 - [1719]
 

Where all this CSM guys?

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:11:00 - [1720]
 

Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 14:11:46
Quote:
The Secure section of the EVE website is undergoing essential maintenance presently and it is currently unreachable. The issue concerns a problem with the server at our billing service provider and we are in contact with them to solve the issue and get an estimation on when we will be back up. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and we hope to have the secure section back up as soon as possible.


Linkage

What a coincidence.

Triksterism
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:12:00 - [1721]
 

Originally by: Mika Katon
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Lord Fitz
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.

However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module.


Exactly.

I was planning on taking a month off to catch up on fixing the fence and getting some chores around the house done, and I was looking forward to resubscribing with Heavy Drones V complete. Now? I'm just staying unsubscribed.


Now, I think most people don't even ghost train regularly. They do it when they simply want to take a break. I, myself, have only ghost trained once (Minmatar Cruiser V -- I needed a break from EvE).

I don't know, I feel it is silly they are removing this. I feel it might give them a huge influx of cash (people activating alt accounts + character transfer fees) but after that, no extra steady income. A percentage of people who use alts will have reduced their account 'count' to about 1 instead of 3 or so.

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:12:00 - [1722]
 

Well it's 14:12 in Iceland...

Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic. Rolling Eyes

DMF KingBob
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1723]
 

Edited by: DMF KingBob on 14/10/2008 14:13:31
dear ccp

i know island is broke and has no more money but the fail of your banks should be not the reason to nerf an non-bug that years truely years effected and ****off more players then your dev-team can do

i dont wanna accept that we the victims of depends should pay for the misstakes of islands bankmanagers




Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1724]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Ratio Legis

Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month.



And now you have to pay for every month ... This is kind of CCP's point and the proper way to run a business...


That would be a valid point if they had made game mechanics that would allow me to use all my accounts with equal efficiency. In the case when a single user cannot run all of his accounts in the same manner, why do you argue it's ok to be charged equally for all of them?

Rex Jett
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:13:00 - [1725]
 

Well I guess there's no need for me to ever activate my account again. Cya EVE. I guess i'll keep giving my money to Blizzard

Mriss
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:14:00 - [1726]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!


Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.




No, I don't think so.

CCP has shafted me once too many. Take the Rens ore belt disappearance, jump route rearrangements, Jita "solution", torp nerp, speed nerf, takeyourpick nerf...

Not anymore.

Besides, paying "once or twice" a year is better than none at all...

Scardin
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:14:00 - [1727]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Taat Ricedi

So can u tell me
how did you pay for me when my account was inactive?


I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on.

So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you.


You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair.


Excuse me, I've been paying to CCP about $50 a month for my accounts, which is probably more than you are. I'll keep paying no more than that, but will unfortunately be forced to sell some of my characters, diminishing my enjoyment of the game.

But that's beside the point. A character with all its possessions will take up perhaps 1 MB of database space. Since even enterprise-class disk drives are $3 a gigabyte these days, i suppose I should be thankful for "your" contribution of $0.003 to my $50.

ps: Both you and CCP should learn the great difference between a cancelled account and a ghost trained account.

KingBobs Dawn
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:15:00 - [1728]
 

and training an skills means not automaticly playing eve.....
for do i pay for train or for play ???

BoRn2ReIgN
The dirty pirates
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:16:00 - [1729]
 

Edited by: BoRn2ReIgN on 14/10/2008 14:20:21
Edited by: BoRn2ReIgN on 14/10/2008 14:17:54
this whole affair has been handled absolutely disgracefully, you have been trying to squeeze more money out of us for months now with taking away 30/90 day gtc and now this not even a few months later?

this is obviously a business like the rest of them, but can't you even at least try and pretend you care about your customers?

somebody better be losing their job over this. you've easily lost the confidence of half of the community, im not einstein or anything, but no community = no game.

the most disgusting thing to come out of this was announcing this a couple weeks after the new power of 2 promotion, then doing this to them. extremely disappointing and you've not only shown us where your priorities lie, but you have the nerve to give us no notice about the whole thing and basically treating us like animals. i can honestly say the majority of the users here feel disrespected, disappointed and annoyed, in that very order.

just found out 2 hours ago that this was going down and its due to happen in less than 30 hours, basically this is going to cost roughly $20 every 6 months x 9 accounts for me. so with 30 hours notice im expected to fork out an extra $180 over a 6 month time period ($360 a year). not acceptable and disgracefully managed.

you are not the only ones facing an economic crisis, stop being so damn selfish, greedy and self-centered and start listening to your clients for a change.

needless to say -6 accounts here.

p.s you have strained relations and disappointed majority of of us eve players, only way you can patch things up is to withdraw from implementing this, proving to us that we actually do have a voice and input into how the game evolves, as i guarentee half of us know you wont listen and we know we are wasting our time posting here, but we do anyway "just to see if they bother listening to us or not"

Ilda Mrika
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:16:00 - [1730]
 

Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 14:11:46
Quote:
The Secure section of the EVE website is undergoing essential maintenance presently and it is currently unreachable. The issue concerns a problem with the server at our billing service provider and we are in contact with them to solve the issue and get an estimation on when we will be back up. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and we hope to have the secure section back up as soon as possible.


Linkage

What a coincidence.

Probably they noticed a peak in subscription cancelations and reached the conclusion that what used to be a game feature is now a bug. And in the benifit of game ballance, my account page was nerfed.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:17:00 - [1731]
 

Originally by: DMF KingBob
Edited by: DMF KingBob on 14/10/2008 14:13:31
dear ccp

i know island is broke and has no more money but the fail of your banks should be not the reason to nerf an non-bug that years truely years effected and ****off more players then your dev-team can do

i dont wanna accept that we the victims of depends should pay for the misstakes of islands bankmanagers






CCP's income is in euro's, so they're no financially in trouble like other in Iceland.

cuculet
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:17:00 - [1732]
 

Edited by: cuculet on 14/10/2008 14:22:00
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Well it's 14:12 in Iceland...

Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic. Rolling Eyes


well they will just serve us this:
"The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused."
officially they don't have time for this^^

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 - [1733]
 

Originally by: Mriss
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!


Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.




No, I don't think so.

CCP has shafted me once too many. Take the Rens ore belt disappearance, jump route rearrangements, Jita "solution", torp nerp, speed nerf, takeyourpick nerf...

Not anymore.

Besides, paying "once or twice" a year is better than none at all...


C'ya in a couple months! /wave

the Burglar
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 - [1734]
 

Funny, as I was about to cancel my subscription for my alt, "The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused. "

LMFAO

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 - [1735]
 

Originally by: cuculet
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Well it's 14:12 in Iceland...

Where's our responses, devs? You can't tell me nobody is watching this topic. Rolling Eyes

well they will just serve us this:
"The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused."
officially they don't have time for this^^

So even the community managers are somehow helping out with that process? Doubt it.

Remlidan
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:19:00 - [1736]
 

Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.


It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:20:00 - [1737]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
CCP's income is in euro's, so they're no financially in trouble like other in Iceland.


All though apparently they went to the same school of false economics, and so are doing the best to achieve very short term gains for longer term losses.

Virgo I'Platonicus
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:20:00 - [1738]
 

omfg. Bloody bad news to me :)
It was exactly what kept this game fresh for most of us old players. We could take a month off the game, knowing that when we came back the game would have something new to offer.
Lol i guess next time i freeze my accounts, I'll think 3times whether to return :)
@CCP: I'm sure your financial team has a good reason for the change. It'd be nice if Wrangler could offer in his dev blog somewhat less ambigous information (or some numbers) to indicate the "avalanche" size.

/me turns wishful mode off :)

Regards,
V.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 - [1739]
 

Originally by: Remlidan
Originally by: NupetietVer
$15 a month? Show me the link for that GTC. It's $35 now, more than doubled the price of an old 30-day GTC, which was $15.


It's $35 for 60 days. Think the subscription cost is $15 in the States (at least according to http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp)?



Yes

Kage Psychodin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:21:00 - [1740]
 

Eh. only thing bad I see is they lied. (And unfortunately, in this day and age you can't really admit to lying from somebody else's orders until they give the okay.)

Had two accounts, one was inactive but nothing training. Other account I'm just gonna have to keep subbed, no big deal. carry on.


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