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Deadeye Devie
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.11.22 11:55:00 - [5611]
 

Edited by: Deadeye Devie on 22/11/2008 11:56:14
I, myself, find this incident that CCP has caused such an uproar about a little offensive. And, though coming close to quitting, have chosen to stick it out for a little while longer to see what the new patch (not expansion, lets not lie to ourselves here!) brings to the game.

The fact that a feature that CCP backed and pointed out as a selling point, and which is a major benefit to the more adult player with family, work, and other real life commitments found more beneficial as they can still keep up with 12-15 year old game-addict playing every day and every hour he he has free made this game, in my and many others eyes, a cut above the rest. I myself have played Lineage 2, guild wars, ran and hosted a persistant world on Neverwinter Nights, a little on WoW, silkroad, City of Heros, and i would have to say this is the most blatent case insult to the players, and, as stated, in the longrun i can only see this hurting CCP financially.

we are not moaning n whining for the sake of it, we are merely pointing out that CCP cannot treat its players like braindead addicts and sheep. If you say something is a feature for 5 years, then when you choose to stop it, do NOT lie to your customers and say its a bug and we have been abusing it...words can be more deadly than any other form of weapon, and how do you think this whole fiasco has gone down from a PR standpoint? "dont bother with EvE, its buggy and the developers and owners lie to you and accuse you of cheating because you used something they said was there working as they intended it since it started!!!!" i myself have told many people asking me recenrtly if i think it worth playing 'No, dont bother trying it at the moment...give it a year or 2...'
I cant help thinking this is probably the most common reaction of most players at the moment, making the sudden advertising of the power of 2 promotion with free game time a bit coincidental due to the games current climate

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.11.22 16:17:00 - [5612]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 22/11/2008 11:26:33
Originally by: Squirrrel
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

You're a hypocrite.



Nope, because twit is about as offending as calling somebody a carrot.

Now, if you'll stop dismissing my arguement because I'm so obviously more idiotic than you, then you might understand that my arguement was that it's bloody sad to sit on this thread crying into your cup of emo. Get over it. Rolling Eyes

PS: Above Whiner: Starting said rebuttal with dumbass. Nice.


It really doesn't matter how offensive it is, it's still used as an insult and by defintion still proves you wrong I'm afraid.

What you've stated isn't really an argument in the context of the thread.
It's your point of view an nothing more, on what we are actually doing here; you're so-called argument doesn't mention anything about unsubbed training, ccp or the lies.

My point still stands, you're the fool for continuing to post in a thread that you feel has no merit, and also I might point out, being purely negative and not being at all constructive or presenting a counter-argument.
At least the other posters in the thread are interested in the contents.

Go wiki some of that, and try to not jump on bandwagons such as "emo-whine-train" because it makes you look a bit dim.

Keep posting though by all means, you're bumping a thread you don't approve of if nothing else. Job done.

Tasty Bit
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.11.23 03:46:00 - [5613]
 

Prior to this debacle, I used this ...erm...terrible so-called "ghost-training" often, I'll admit it. But, being somewhat touched, I had more accounts than the average player. It cost me a fortune (ok, it was isk, but the GTCs had to be bought by someone). And I would always reactivate the accounts once the skill that was training finished.

Since this farce I have an unmentionable number of accounts that I would otherwise have paid to reactivate, that are sitting inactive, unpaid-for, unsubscribed, call-it-what-you-want. Now... my heart's not in it. I just can't be arsed.

Maybe 4.5 years in Eve is start to get old, and the straw/camel's back thing occured. Who knows.

Anyway, keep up the good work CCP.

Chani Fedaykin
Posted - 2008.11.23 09:59:00 - [5614]
 

last account expires today...

gl and fun too u all - and gl to ccp, perhaps you reconsider your crm strategy :P

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.11.23 12:07:00 - [5615]
 

Y'all still crying?

The free lunch offer was cancelled... Deal with it! Razz

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.11.23 13:58:00 - [5616]
 

Edited by: Squirrrel on 23/11/2008 13:58:13
Originally by: Kerfira
Y'all still crying?

The free lunch offer was cancelled... Deal with it! Razz


You know what? This guy may well appear to be ignorant and not have his finger on the pulse of the thread, but I think he's right, we really should just deal with it and stop crying!

By the way Kerfira, that thing you were talking about the other week with your friend; he was right, you were wrong.
Sucks, but there you go.

Von Domiki
Posted - 2008.11.23 14:41:00 - [5617]
 

Originally by: Squirrrel
You know what? This guy may well appear to be ignorant and not have his finger on the pulse of the thread, but I think he's right, we really should just deal with it and stop crying!


Sure. CCP comes with another lies about their company and raises prices - deal with it and stop crying. Another feature turns into a bug, making EVE even more like all other MMORPGS - deal with it and stop crying.

fried eggs
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.23 15:05:00 - [5618]
 

Originally by: Von Domiki
Sure. CCP comes with another lies about their company and raises prices - deal with it and stop crying. Another feature turns into a bug, making EVE even more like all other MMORPGS - deal with it and stop crying.
I'm pretty sure that Squirrrel was being facetious. If you read through the thread, he is one of the biggest opponents of this change. Wink

Von Domiki
Posted - 2008.11.23 19:20:00 - [5619]
 

Originally by: fried eggs
Originally by: Von Domiki
Sure. CCP comes with another lies about their company and raises prices - deal with it and stop crying. Another feature turns into a bug, making EVE even more like all other MMORPGS - deal with it and stop crying.
I'm pretty sure that Squirrrel was being facetious. If you read through the thread, he is one of the biggest opponents of this change. Wink


Oh sorry, i haven't read all 188 pages, but i totally agree with majorityVery Happy

Von Domiki
Posted - 2008.11.23 20:35:00 - [5620]
 

btw, here's an interesting thread on the topic: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/208450

Terces Yp's
Posted - 2008.11.24 09:41:00 - [5621]
 

Yup, this has already been posted in the thread. Also that the same site that did the interview, later mentioned the removal of the feature as a fiasco. That's when people started to mention that word more often about CCP.

So no new news for this thread. It's drying up and dying with reluctance.

CCP Marketing Team:
"Hey sign your buddies up to eve and get 30 days added to your account per each upgraded trial account"

This thread is no longer significant to CCP anymore... give it up people & surrender!

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2008.11.24 10:21:00 - [5622]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 24/11/2008 10:22:13
Originally by: Terces Yp's
Yup, this has already been posted in the thread. Also that the same site that did the interview, later mentioned the removal of the feature as a fiasco. That's when people started to mention that word more often about CCP.

So no new news for this thread. It's drying up and dying with reluctance.

CCP Marketing Team:
"Hey sign your buddies up to eve and get 30 days added to your account per each upgraded trial account"

This thread is no longer significant to CCP anymore... give it up people & surrender!



Never Give up, the thread is slowing because most people (Who use the forums, small % of total Population) have made there opinion known. Also alo of people will be running out of Game time and not resubbing so no longer able to post.

I can continue posting untill January with 2 accounts and June with a further 3 after that my posting privaleges are gone.

I will keep posting here from time to time to remind CCP im only here because i payed before this BS move and i would imagine there are many more people in this situation.

CCP have dropped a bomb again and yet again they fail to apologies for "calling" all their player base dence, thick, unintellegent or however else you perceive these blatent lies. Lies can only work against people with less knowledge of the situation so CCP obviously though we all had less knowledge not a good way to treat you customers.

Wanfeng
Posted - 2008.11.24 15:49:00 - [5623]
 

all those who post positiv about this change or say its over to fight against it just lie. they are a good example for missing activitys against political decisions or destruction of enviroment.
they see the problem, but dont see it as theirs.
we all could decide how the game had to be, if we would just force ccp doing the change by leaving the game (to talk to them seems not to work).
there was no trouble with ghosttraining at all, before it got nerfed.
there was no need to cancel 30 and 90 day gtc's.
but there was a desire of the community to talk to ccp about these changes.

Skylar Vodkabar
Posted - 2008.11.24 16:43:00 - [5624]
 

Edited by: Skylar Vodkabar on 24/11/2008 16:44:50
If CCP wants to enter the mainstream market, they sould price their GTC/ETC at industry standars, like 29.99 for 60 days.

As for the whole "Pay to Play" argument, I can't play while my Sub is expired. And last time I checked, "playing" the game doesn't earn me experience points, only paying does.

"We figure out how to maximize our returns." Priceless quote at the cost of my future Sub.

Orbius Prime
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.24 18:32:00 - [5625]
 

I'm just seeing alot less people logging on... says enough for me

Zebba
Black Hats
Posted - 2008.11.24 20:12:00 - [5626]
 

Originally by: Terces Yp's

This thread is no longer significant to CCP anymore... give it up people & surrender!


I believe it is a good thing to keep this thread going. Simply to show that there is a large number of people that care about the issue and how it was established.

And I can imagine they see this thread and are still confused people keep posting.

Establisher
Caldari
Delacroix Shipyards
Posted - 2008.11.24 22:49:00 - [5627]
 

I Recently returned to eve and was unaware of this until today i am not that bothered about it being disabled but was more concerened that CCP lied to all of us in there reason for doing this. I will continue to play the game but i am no longer able to trust anything CCP has to say.

Fawziyyah
Posted - 2008.11.24 22:58:00 - [5628]
 

Originally by: Zebba

I believe it is a good thing to keep this thread going. Simply to show that there is a large number of people that care about the issue and how it was established.

And I can imagine they see this thread and are still confused people keep posting.


Totaly agree with you, I will continue checking the thread till 02/2009, and will post when I see fit.
And I continue to say that this issue was an incentive to make people like me resub sooner, as this stands I have no goal to do it. I was with two more accounts that would get subscribed again before xmas... now they won't be.

Farouq Rizer
Posted - 2008.11.25 10:04:00 - [5629]
 

Who would've thought CCP is more stubborn then SOE? The largest thread in EvE history and they don't even acknowledge that their customer base is not happy with this change. This is just as bad when SOE added the NGE to SWG despite over 90% of the players did not want it, and we all know what happened to that game...

What kind of company ignores thousands of customers and lies to them? Well it looks like CCP joined the club.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2008.11.25 11:54:00 - [5630]
 

I don't get it.

You pay for your account, you train,

You don't pay for your account, you don't train.

What the hell is so wrong with that you guys need 188 pages to complain about a purely natural thing?

Please, go play world of warcraft or something.

Farouq Rizer
Posted - 2008.11.25 12:09:00 - [5631]
 

Edited by: Farouq Rizer on 25/11/2008 12:11:21
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
I don't get it.

You pay for your account, you train,

You don't pay for your account, you don't train.

What the hell is so wrong with that you guys need 188 pages to complain about a purely natural thing?

Please, go play world of warcraft or something.


Read the thread and maybe you'll understand most of us are not complaining about ghost training being removed, its the way CCP handled it.

Lets see you react if ccp said.."Being able to train while logged off has been a bug we've been trying to fix for the past 5 years, all characters must remain logged in or character training will stop. We're not trying to force you to play the game more, we just never wanted this feature to be in the game. Have a nice day!"

Apertotes
Posted - 2008.11.25 12:29:00 - [5632]
 

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
I don't get it.

You pay for your account, you train,

You don't pay for your account, you don't train.

What the hell is so wrong with that you guys need 188 pages to complain about a purely natural thing?

Please, go play world of warcraft or something.


thanks for the free bump ugh

fried eggs
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.25 14:58:00 - [5633]
 

Edited by: fried eggs on 25/11/2008 15:45:48
Edited by: fried eggs on 25/11/2008 14:58:29
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
I don't get it.
That's obvious, but thanks for pointing it out anyway.

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
You pay for your account, you train,

You don't pay for your account, you don't train.
That's not what CCP used to advertise though. And to say that those that used this feature were abusing game mechanics is just a lie (I know that you did not say this in your previous post, but others have).

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
What the hell is so wrong with that you guys need 188 pages to complain about a purely natural thing?
Hmmm, maybe we don't like being lied to and treated like idiots. Maybe we are a little dismayed that there has been no response from CCP. Maybe some of us like the game and want to see some bad decisions reversed before it's too late. You don't have to agree with us, but that does not invalidate our arguments.

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Please, go play world of warcraft or something.
OK. I will in less than 60 days unless something changes. Thanks for the advice. BTW, here are a few posts from the very first page that sums up "some" of the arguments nicely:

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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.11.25 16:44:00 - [5634]
 

I wonder why all the 1000's of players that emoragequit over this, the speed nerf and the missile nerf are still logging in....
http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
41k players online this last day...

Twisted Evil

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:00:00 - [5635]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
I wonder why all the 1000's of players that emoragequit over this, the speed nerf and the missile nerf are still logging in....
http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
41k players online this last day...

Twisted Evil


Many subs are still active; like mine. I still login since my accounts are still running even though they are cancelled.

I won't tell you why I still login; I will tell you it's not to play the game though.

And for the last time, customers that quit when a service provider flat out lies to them is not an emoragequit.

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:02:00 - [5636]
 

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
I don't get it.

You pay for your account, you train,

You don't pay for your account, you don't train.

What the hell is so wrong with that you guys need 188 pages to complain about a purely natural thing?

Please, go play world of warcraft or something.


Partly because 188 pages aren't enough to get the message over to ignorants like you I'd wager.
Read some more of the 188 pages and get a clue.

fried eggs
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:10:00 - [5637]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
I wonder why all the 1000's of players that emoragequit over this, the speed nerf and the missile nerf are still logging in....
http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
41k players online this last day...

Twisted Evil
And you know that all of the people that have stated their intention to leave the game have not done so...how? You do know that you don't loose the right to login when you cancel an account, right? Or could it be that you are just attempting to "troll"?

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:14:00 - [5638]
 

Edited by: Squirrrel on 25/11/2008 17:14:25
Originally by: fried eggs
Originally by: Kerfira
I wonder why all the 1000's of players that emoragequit over this, the speed nerf and the missile nerf are still logging in....
http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
41k players online this last day...

Twisted Evil
And you know that all of the people that have stated their intention to leave the game have not done so...how? You do know that you don't loose the right to login when you cancel an account, right? Or could it be that you are just attempting to "troll"?


If you don't pay, you shouldn't be able to train.
If you cancel, you shouldn't be able to train or login and play.

Thems the rules.
Having days left on your account after cancelling... thats a feature. For now... Wink

fried eggs
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:21:00 - [5639]
 

Edited by: fried eggs on 25/11/2008 17:23:28
Originally by: Squirrrel

Having days left on your account after cancelling... thats a feature. For now... Wink
A feature or a "bug"? Wink All those bums taking advantage of this bug should get jobs and adapt or die and give me their stuff and quit whining and...etc.

Edit to add: and fit target painters and use light drones.

Apertotes
Posted - 2008.11.25 17:33:00 - [5640]
 

Originally by: Squirrrel

Having days left on your account after cancelling... thats a feature. For now... Wink


yep, just like alt characters. it was an oversight on the process, and probably next year they'll fix the bug ramdomly erasing 2 characters on every account. do not worry though, they'll warn us at least 2 days before with a short note on the news section on the main page, and then they'll release 10 or 12 new messages that will render the note invissible.


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