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Reithan
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:02:00 - [1]
 


Shaun Livingstone
Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Collegium Amarria
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:06:00 - [2]
 

Shocked

My god, it's full of stars.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:07:00 - [3]
 

Details?

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:12:00 - [4]
 

very intresting, wonder fi can open an eveything is 1 mil isk store.

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Mikal Drey on 13/10/2008 15:53:14
Edited by: Mikal Drey on 13/10/2008 15:52:38
Edited by: Mikal Drey on 13/10/2008 15:33:25
Originally by: Tippia
Details?


Basic : its a customisable contract UI

you can only create a storefront for a corporation. Its very much like a store :) the UI is very easy to use and the customisation options are suitable.

you can view a corporations "store" via the contracts system and you are greeted with their front page. you can then select their sub categories and view contracts based on how they categorised their store.

you can only currently create Item exchange, freeform or loan contracts within each sub category.

It will be very usefull for traders who want to take a more flexible approach to their contracting and should help build up a more buisness feel to contracting. It is a very nice addition. there is a few addition which would make this feature much more than it is and hopefully there will be some small changes before it goes live.

**EDIT** you can "promote" items from their sub categories and treat them like special offers (they appear on the front page)
**EDIT**

PICS (now™)

Public Search
Default Frontpage View (with featured item)
Probe Category (with descriptons added)
Subcategory (note overlapping)
another subcategory (more overlapping)
Privacy Test with product "promoted"


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.10.13 15:31:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mikal Drey
Originally by: Tippia
Details?
[details!]
Neat! Very Happy

Scimon Tinker
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: sableye
very intresting, wonder fi can open an eveything is 1 mil isk store.


you could do precisely that :)

Dr Caligo
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:14:00 - [8]
 

wtf? ugh

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:37:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:39:44
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:38:56
This is the 1st iteration of Store fronts.

We are nearly finished iteration 2 on the functionality of them.

Essentially they are a customised view of selected Contracts issued by your corporation. So that people can see what you have available, they also allow you to sell packages and build a relationship with you customer.

The new functionality that we are still working on allows what we are calling 'Offers'. This Means I can 'Offer' a f.e. Raven for 100mil, but not have to commit that Raven to the contract. You can then come along and take up the offer of the Raven, at which point an item exchange contract for 100mil for a Raven is created from you to my corp. I can then accept the offer and the raven is delivered to your hanger. Also note the Offer is still available in the Store Front for others to take up.

This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.

Store fonts are only available to Corps.

I have prodded CCP Fendahl and there is a Blog in the works ...



Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
This is the 1st iteration of Store fronts.

We are nearly finished iteration 2 on the functionality of them.

Essentially they are a customised view of selected Contracts issued by your corporation. So that people can see what you have available, they also allow you to sell packages and build a relationship with you customer.

The new functionality that we are still working on allows what we are calling 'Offers'. This Means I can 'Offer' a f.e. Raven for 100mil, but not have to commit that Raven to the contract. You can then come along and take up the offer of the Raven, at which point an item exchange contract for 100mil for a Raven is created from you to my corp. I can then accept the offer and the raven is delivered to your hanger. Also note the Offer is still available in the Store Front for others to take up.

This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.

Store fonts are only available to Corps.

I have prodded CCP Fendahl and there is a Blog in the works ...




Is there any possibility that the next stage of this is corp branding?
Where a raven from one corp is slightly different than a raven from some other corp?

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Terianna Eri

Is there any possibility that the next stage of this is corp branding?
Where a raven from one corp is slightly different than a raven from some other corp?


Nope. But there are a few other things we want to do with it.

CCP Fendahl will have more detail as he is 'The Man' on this feature.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:39:44
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:38:56
This is the 1st iteration of Store fronts.

We are nearly finished iteration 2 on the functionality of them.

Essentially they are a customised view of selected Contracts issued by your corporation. So that people can see what you have available, they also allow you to sell packages and build a relationship with you customer.

The new functionality that we are still working on allows what we are calling 'Offers'. This Means I can 'Offer' a f.e. Raven for 100mil, but not have to commit that Raven to the contract. You can then come along and take up the offer of the Raven, at which point an item exchange contract for 100mil for a Raven is created from you to my corp. I can then accept the offer and the raven is delivered to your hanger. Also note the Offer is still available in the Store Front for others to take up.

This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.

Store fonts are only available to Corps.

I have prodded CCP Fendahl and there is a Blog in the works ...





Will any skills be needed to properly use this feature? IE Contracts and so forth.

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:47:00 - [13]
 


Any talk of opening this up on an alliance level? Any talk of opening this up to specific other alliances corps based on standings?

ie a store front is opened. A storefront is opened as either corp only, alliance, or anyone. Could be configured so that +5 standings are required.

So this way someone could buy a bs from the corp using refined mins, order a cap ship from the alliance (another corp in the alliance set to offer to alliance), and buy the fittings from an empire alt manufacturing corps.


CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei

Will any skills be needed to properly use this feature? IE Contracts and so forth.


We MAY introduce new skills to allow for more Contracts, but we are still looking into this.

As far as I am aware there are no additional skill requirements for this. But CCP Fendahl will answer all of these definitively in the forth coming blog.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:50:00 - [15]
 

Bit of a tangent: Might there be an option to do contracts avalible only to militia (and hence storefronts open to them)?

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:54:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/10/2008 16:58:51
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.


Given that for almost every imaginable item, there is already so much of that item on the market that no one purchaser would ever need to buy the whole lot at once, why would anyone want to bother with 'build to order' in such a cumbersome way? It's slower, requires waiting for the producer to come online and is limited by contract skills, whereas people can already create region-wide buy orders that anyone can fill.

We already have an extremely efficient and powerful market, and as long as we don't have distinct items, we don't need to distinguish between sellers for any rational reason.

Alz Shado
EverFlow
Posted - 2008.10.13 16:57:00 - [17]
 

With contracts being as terrible as they are now, why build the storefront system using them as a foundation?

As for offers, it sounds like a reverse auction, but limiting this to one corporation defeats the whole purpose. Reverse auctions are meant to draw competition and lower the final price of an item, and depending on the mechanics it could be either tightly restricted or wildly abuseable.

If money has to be put in escrow for the initial offer, a buyer is at the mercy of the sellers who might make additional demands to fulfill the deal, or else let the buyer's money stay locked up.

If money *doesn't* need to be put into escrow, then the buyer can put an offer up and then never follow through with the deal, leaving the sellers holding the bag for goods they might not otherwise have produced/obtained specifically for the deal.

Either way, an item exchange contract does the same job and is more open to competition. It's too bad the contract interface sucks, making the attempt to find such a deal a bigger PITA then it's worth.

thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 17:08:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:39:44
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:38:56
This is the 1st iteration of Store fronts.

We are nearly finished iteration 2 on the functionality of them.

Essentially they are a customised view of selected Contracts issued by your corporation. So that people can see what you have available, they also allow you to sell packages and build a relationship with you customer.

The new functionality that we are still working on allows what we are calling 'Offers'. This Means I can 'Offer' a f.e. Raven for 100mil, but not have to commit that Raven to the contract. You can then come along and take up the offer of the Raven, at which point an item exchange contract for 100mil for a Raven is created from you to my corp. I can then accept the offer and the raven is delivered to your hanger. Also note the Offer is still available in the Store Front for others to take up.

This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.

Store fonts are only available to Corps.

I have prodded CCP Fendahl and there is a Blog in the works ...





First off, even as a veteran pvp'er, this is a really cool feature with a lot of potential I think for the industrial side of Eve :) Since this is still in the development process, can I make two requests?

1. Remove freeform contracts from the game. I really cannot find a viable purpose for their existence anymore, can anyone else?
2. Remove the ability for linked contracts to be re-written. The amount of raven-haha-not-a-CNR spam in Jita is, quite frankly, deplorable.

Also, will there be an corp/alliance-only storefronts? This would be handy (and I imagine not that hard to setup, since current contracts allow for this functionality). Keep up the good work, looks like a kick-arse feature!!! Very HappyVery Happy

Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2008.10.13 17:28:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Given that for almost every imaginable item, there is already so much of that item on the market that no one purchaser would ever need to buy the whole lot at once, why would anyone want to bother with 'build to order' in such a cumbersome way? It's slower, requires waiting for the producer to come online and is limited by contract skills, whereas people can already create region-wide buy orders that anyone can fill.


Visit 0.0.

If storefronts can be configured by standings, this will be a godsend for pvpers.

Currently the process to buy stuff is usually to either visit Jita or to know someone that knows someone that will be online in a few hours that has some of the stuff to build what you need. Anything on the market is either way overpriced or not quite what you need.

A market only works when there is enough volume so that one person cannot monopolize the supply.


Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

We already have an extremely efficient and powerful market, and as long as we don't have distinct items, we don't need to distinguish between sellers for any rational reason.


The seller matters as often corps will sell stuff at cost to the members.

Even in alliances there is often a system to get expensive t1 or t2 stuff for at or below cost on a first come, first serve basis.

A corp wants to see who needs what. A corp might have a large stockpile of bpcs and mins but it only wants to create battleships as needed. So the seller wants to limit the orders to those with good standings. The buy orders are problematic as there will be a price for corp members, another for alliance members, another for coalition members, and yet another price for neutrals.

Currently this system is usually managed by mailing list and out of game web pages with price lists. The storefront concept looks to be a nice improvement.

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.10.13 17:33:00 - [20]
 

this is pretty awesome. i look forward to being able to buy complete sets of ships + fittings in one easy go. it should greatly improve the efficiency of me losing them.

Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
Posted - 2008.10.13 17:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

Given that for almost every imaginable item, there is already so much of that item on the market that no one purchaser would ever need to buy the whole lot at once, why would anyone want to bother with 'build to order' in such a cumbersome way? It's slower, requires waiting for the producer to come online and is limited by contract skills, whereas people can already create region-wide buy orders that anyone can fill.

We already have an extremely efficient and powerful market, and as long as we don't have distinct items, we don't need to distinguish between sellers for any rational reason.


Kaz, I agree to a certain extent, but that's because a raven is a poor example. I can see this being possible for capital ships. They take months to train so the 3 week time period from start to completion is not much by comparison. You don't see too many cap ships on the market. Many producers of carriers/dreads build to order, and this system should help nicely.

Are these Storefronts going to be only for internal corp/alliance sales, or will I be able to use them to sell to the public. It just seems that cap ship sales today on the WTS forum rely on bundling in mods and fighters to lure customers. This could be just what I need to generate some sales in Metropolis.

Mr McCargo
IDT Research and Manufacturing
Posted - 2008.10.13 18:01:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/10/2008 16:58:51
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.


Given that for almost every imaginable item, there is already so much of that item on the market that no one purchaser would ever need to buy the whole lot at once, why would anyone want to bother with 'build to order' in such a cumbersome way? It's slower, requires waiting for the producer to come online and is limited by contract skills, whereas people can already create region-wide buy orders that anyone can fill.

We already have an extremely efficient and powerful market, and as long as we don't have distinct items, we don't need to distinguish between sellers for any rational reason.

This. As a trader, I don't find it any use, actually it might even make things more difficult.

Cassius Longinus
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.13 18:03:00 - [23]
 

Oooo! Nullsec market buff.

This is a wonderful tool to help simulate the normal market mechanics for transactions within a corp/alliance. It allows an industrial wing to provide product to a pvp wing without market-pvpers screwing with the values.

Whats important is if they can limit access by corp/alliance/standings.

Reithan
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.10.13 18:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Store fonts are only available to Corps.

Awwwww... Crying or Very sad
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
I have prodded CCP Fendahl...

...with? Shocked

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.10.13 18:47:00 - [25]
 

this is going to rock

Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:12:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 14/10/2008 00:11:55
we can tell who actually plays in 0.0 by their response to this:

if you are in a 0.0 alliance you think HOLY COW THIS IS AWESOME, I don't have to update that damn thread in our forum anymore! I can sell corp-approved setups in game! wow!

If you aren't, you're all like "dang what freakin good is this I don't get it"

it isn't for you to "get"

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig
Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 14/10/2008 00:11:55
we can tell who actually plays in 0.0 by their response to this:

if you are in a 0.0 alliance you think HOLY COW THIS IS AWESOME, I don't have to update that damn thread in our forum anymore! I can sell corp-approved setups in game! wow!

If you aren't, you're all like "dang what freakin good is this I don't get it"

it isn't for you to "get"


Mmm? Question

I play in low-sec and I think this is totally awesome. Very Happy

Tomblinu
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.10.14 08:47:00 - [28]
 

I would prefer to see storefronts tackled more flexibly through the API (and thus corporate websites) rather than as a new GUI feature hard-coded into the game. Right now, we can view only finished public contracts for other pilots and corporations; adding an option to see current public contracts would cover much of the same ground as these storefronts.

"Offers" sound a lot like sell orders on the market and thus seem superfluous for items that can be sold on the market; for non-market items, this sounds like an improvement to contracts that doesn't require a whole new "storefronts" system.

If storefronts (i) require offices and (ii) are widely adopted, this will be a royal pain in the [body part] for consumers who like one-stop shopping at Jita IV-4 CNAP now, since there is a small, hard cap on the number of stores in that station.

Disclosure: I already have a storefront to sell faction modules; it's homemade (http://twrch.org/eve/divs/contracts.shtml, designed for use in game, viewable out of game).

Irulan S'Dijana
Amarr
Drexler Burnum Inc.
Rising Phoenix Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:55:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Irulan S''Dijana on 14/10/2008 10:57:00
I OFFER DEVS IN CHARGE OF THIS SEXUAL FAVOURS!

edit: can you please include the possibility of adding "special eyes only" sections? This way it opens up a whole new level of black market activity (look! a use for the black market skill!).

Basically good for people who are perhaps selling arms to the enemy, drug dealers and other fun shenanigans.

Please!Very Happy

Henry Fredyericus
Gallente
H.F. Enterprises
Interstellar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:39:44
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 13/10/2008 16:38:56
This is the 1st iteration of Store fronts.

We are nearly finished iteration 2 on the functionality of them.

Essentially they are a customised view of selected Contracts issued by your corporation. So that people can see what you have available, they also allow you to sell packages and build a relationship with you customer.

The new functionality that we are still working on allows what we are calling 'Offers'. This Means I can 'Offer' a f.e. Raven for 100mil, but not have to commit that Raven to the contract. You can then come along and take up the offer of the Raven, at which point an item exchange contract for 100mil for a Raven is created from you to my corp. I can then accept the offer and the raven is delivered to your hanger. Also note the Offer is still available in the Store Front for others to take up.

This will also allow corps actually build to order through the store front offer system. We think offers are going to make a big difference to Store Fronts and building better markets.

Store fonts are only available to Corps.

I have prodded CCP Fendahl and there is a Blog in the works ...



This "offer" feature is quite cost-efficient for items, costing over 500 mil and more. What I'm talking about are the selling taxes and fees, what are deducted when you put up a market order or contract.
As I speculate, the selling taxes and fees are deducted only on actual sale.
If all of this is true, then I speculate that the "Offer" feature would actually save a lot of ISK for capital- and high-value traders Smile


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