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Lafaet Nadal
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.09.27 12:11:00 - [31]
 

http://kb.redalliance.ru/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5655
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http://terr.in/?a=losses

Kirja
Gallente
R.U.S.H
Red Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.27 12:28:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Kirja on 27/09/2008 12:28:04
It's 23 capitals killed against 24 capitals lost according to new RA killboard. 278 ships killed against 120 ships lost in total. Killboard posts kills automatically so it should be quite accurate.

Props for a great fight. One of the best i ever had.

DuPuy
Caldari
Scrap Iron Flotilla
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.09.27 12:46:00 - [33]
 

Because the battle lasted some three hours, the killboards battle summaries are split.

The whole fight isnt on one battle summary for either RA or FDN.

Combine the battle reports from both reports on both sides and check the kills and losses.

It was a very bloody battle for both sides.
But I think the true outcome was clearly a significant capital ship kill advantage for FDN, while RA certainly killed many more of our battleships.

o7

Arimdar
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.09.27 12:46:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Arimdar on 27/09/2008 12:46:40
nvm

Hobblah
Caldari
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.09.27 12:47:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Kirja
Edited by: Kirja on 27/09/2008 12:28:04
It's 23 capitals killed against 24 capitals lost according to new RA killboard. 278 ships killed against 120 ships lost in total. Killboard posts kills automatically so it should be quite accurate.

Props for a great fight. One of the best i ever had.


In those 23 kills are 2-3 RA friendlies that should be counted as your losess and removed from kills.

Kirja
Gallente
R.U.S.H
Red Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.27 13:15:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Kirja on 27/09/2008 13:15:13
Originally by: Hobblah

In those 23 kills are 2-3 RA friendlies that should be counted as your losess and removed from kills.


Good point. Actually those 2 should be added to RA losses. So it's ~21 capitals killed against ~26 capitals lost. Still a good fight.

Khalid Zhee
Amarr
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.09.27 13:53:00 - [37]
 

RA dreads lost:

1. Farlat
2. Guy Gaal
3. Second Daos
4. Shoushpancheeck
5. Moresugar1
6. Osant (TG)
7. devnull
8. Link Sayrus
9. Freelancer'Spb
10. SteeLady
11. Mr4ex
12. ralphie tsingtao (TG)
13. Amfitaminka
14. Locust L
15. Komcor
16. drackar
17. Rastishka
18. Bars2004


RA carriers lost:

1. Topmaz
2. cikillu
3. Kirja
4. MacMyHe
5. Wolf Messing (TG)
6. Intra
7. Den MConan
8. Kait Pirvintin
9. Intrila
10. Maxyyy (TG)
11. Deiv Grogan

Terrorist Group (RA allies) are marked with 'TG'.


So total RA + friends lost 29 capitals.


Foundati0n lost 9 dreads and 9 carriers, along with 3 allied losses* = 21 capitals



*(I think Lafond from Electus Matari lost a Naglar which isn't on your board, so it might be 4 allied losses).


So Foundation and allies killed 29 - 21 on caps overall and 18-10 on dreads. FDN also held the field.

Good fight!

Coros
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.09.27 13:56:00 - [38]
 

Lag was terrible.. I had to drop to window mode, drop to 1024*768 resolution, drop AA and AF off, take every effects etc off... And then i went from 1-2 FPS to 11-12 FPS Laughing

But it was still great fight.

Khalid Zhee
Amarr
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.09.27 14:29:00 - [39]
 

Great Wildlands has been home to some good fights lately and this was no exception. It's unusual perhaps to see so much POS fighting in an NPC region but the lack of cynojammers make it attractive for cap fleets to duke it out.

With a lot more cap kills, and especially 18-10 on dreads, I think it's fair to say we won the fight (holding the field too) though the cost was significant and RA fought to the bitter end. To some extent they had no choice in that (several of our carriers were anchoring t2 large bubbles to forces a decisive outcome one way or the other) but then nor did we.

The fight was so long that we actually missed the chance to loot a few of the early wrecks by the time our carrion haulers set about their grim task of picking through the remains Cool

By the end the field had 50 capital wrecks.

Vector Aeon
Amarr
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:02:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Khalid Zhee
Great Wildlands has been home to some good fights lately and this was no exception. It's unusual perhaps to see so much POS fighting in an NPC region but the lack of cynojammers make it attractive for cap fleets to duke it out.

With a lot more cap kills, and especially 18-10 on dreads, I think it's fair to say we won the fight (holding the field too) though the cost was significant and RA fought to the bitter end. To some extent they had no choice in that (several of our carriers were anchoring t2 large bubbles to forces a decisive outcome one way or the other) but then nor did we.

The fight was so long that we actually missed the chance to loot a few of the early wrecks by the time our carrion haulers set about their grim task of picking through the remains Cool

By the end the field had 50 capital wrecks.



Jimmie: No, No, No, No, let me ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of my POS that said Dead Cap Storage?
Jules: Jimmie, you know I ain't seen no...
Jimmie: Did you notice a sign out in front of my POS that said Dead Cap Storage?
Jules: [pause] No. I didn't.
Jimmie: You know WHY you didn't see that sign?
Jules: Why?
Jimmie: 'Cause it ain't there, 'cause storing dead caps ain't my ****ing business, that's why!

n00b alt3
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:14:00 - [41]
 

i wasn't aware that fdn was an alliance that could throw this kind of weight around, sounds like an awesome fight.

fdn respect +++

K'Bar
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:34:00 - [42]
 

Congrats on having a fun fight guys. Now that's alot of CAP killing, I wish I was there. Sad

Zauchenok
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:35:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Zauchenok on 27/09/2008 15:46:27
wrong alt sorry

Xorader
Gallente
R.U.S.H
Red Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:47:00 - [44]
 

it was good fight,

of couse RA lost more cap.ships,

but look at Foundation BS/support... most of them dowm, many of u pilot come back to battle in new ships and was killed again, them ra can't do same, and your PoS gunner did half work, respect to him

So graz, but look really at things

YARRRR!!

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.09.27 16:09:00 - [45]
 

I'm impressed FDN were able to coordinate a big fleet. I looked them up ingame last night and they have a huge pile of tiny corps.

Jackaryas
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.09.27 17:12:00 - [46]
 

Quote:
i wasn't aware that fdn was an alliance that could throw this kind of weight around, sounds like an awesome fight.

Quote:
I'm impressed FDN were able to coordinate a big fleet. I looked them up ingame last night and they have a huge pile of tiny corps.


See no one has faith in us Shocked

Hey it was a friday anything goes lol, was an awesome fight as i mentioned before, maybe people will take fdn a little more seriosuly now hehe

Zurrar
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.27 17:19:00 - [47]
 

the thing about being in FDN is you feel like your in FDN, not a corp in an alliance. It was a massive fight, i had to relog once when i couldnt target things. said i was in the pos shields and i was about 30km from the pos on my screen. but upon relogging i got a packet doesnt belong msg and i had to force eve closed and relog again. the entire time my fighters were still on a dread untill i warped and the fighters THANK GOD returned to my carrier. woot for bugs!

titanstory
Amarr
Cursed Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.09.27 17:57:00 - [48]
 

we missed this cap fight damnit, next time ra ask us for backup, we love fdn kill :(

Severe Admin
Gallente
Blind Industries
Posted - 2008.09.27 18:11:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: titanstory
we missed this cap fight damnit, next time ra ask us for backup, we love fdn kill :(


why so u can epic blob and bring 60 caps of your own and guarantee there wont be a fight. Sounds like a plan.

Cruentiorus
Amarr
Detroit Metal Works
Posted - 2008.09.27 18:13:00 - [50]
 

Seems like a lot of losses happening in M-M for you guys... Down to the last couple systems are we?

you also should mention in this thread that you lost 2 carriers and several dozen BS and support to a gang in your front yard today. over 100 BS lost, I hope your not one of those communist corps that replace everyone's crap fitted BS.

Khalid Zhee
Amarr
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.09.27 18:22:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Cruentiorus
Seems like a lot of losses happening in M-M for you guys... Down to the last couple systems are we?

you also should mention in this thread that you lost 2 carriers and several dozen BS and support to a gang in your front yard today. over 100 BS lost, I hope your not one of those communist corps that replace everyone's crap fitted BS.


In the week, you mean? 100 BS lost in a busy(ish) week, but you've got to look at what gets killed. Still 52bil damage (just hulls) for 38bil lost in that week, and nice fights like the one described in this thread. And living in GW means no cynojammers, so caps are both killed and die in their ones and twos most days Cool All gf

Anubis Hothyck
Minmatar
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2008.09.27 18:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Cruentiorus
Seems like a lot of losses happening in M-M for you guys... Down to the last couple systems are we?

you also should mention in this thread that you lost 2 carriers and several dozen BS and support to a gang in your front yard today. over 100 BS lost, I hope your not one of those communist corps that replace everyone's crap fitted BS.


I'm one of those communist corps that replace everyones crap fitted BS, its not been so bad ;)

Anyway, this thread is for the good fight crowd, go be a troll in someone elses thread.

Good fight RA =)

Death Church
Caldari
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.09.27 19:29:00 - [53]
 

I honestly didn't know they had that many caps. I told them I was happy for them last night in M-M and they killed me. I hate them forever.

Very Happy

MadMerlin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.09.27 19:37:00 - [54]
 

FOUNDATION are really good at baiting hotdrops. I remember a few times fighting them in Curse, they'd bait out our fleets and then hotdrop carriers... a few times it backfired but sometimes well exected! :)

Meissa Anunthiel
Minmatar
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.09.27 21:22:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Death Church
I honestly didn't know they had that many caps. I told them I was happy for them last night in M-M and they killed me. I hate them forever.

Very Happy


Actually, if memory serves, you got killed by a goon when you undocked from the Trust Partners station in M-M... Or did my eyes fail me?

:p

Roberto990
Caldari
Billionaires Club
C0VEN
Posted - 2008.09.28 16:24:00 - [56]
 

Lag was horrible, i die at the start of the fight, escape in capsule from battle. I try to dock at the station.... it was a bad idea.... i have black screen when i'm docking. I wait 5 min then i decide to relog. I cant log in game for 30-40 min !!!

Anna Valerios
Amarr
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.09.28 22:18:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Severe Admin
Originally by: titanstory
we missed this cap fight damnit, next time ra ask us for backup, we love fdn kill :(


why so u can epic blob and bring 60 caps of your own and guarantee there wont be a fight. Sounds like a plan.


Its their french, they'd either turn up late or bail out half way through the fight.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.09.28 22:59:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Shardrael
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Ur235
Edited by: Ur235 on 27/09/2008 09:59:28

You forgot to mention that you guys lost 68 battleships....


Battleships are fodder, no one cares.
Take it this fight was over a moon?
Any info on what the build up to this was?



funny then how some entities have folded just from a couple bs fleets getting DD......

they may not be equivalent to dread losses however they still matter.


Not really. I lose only about 10 mil on a fully t2 fitted sniper bs loss(mega).

For most people this number won't be more than 30mil. You can lose 20 bs for each carrier kill and still come out ahead.

Anubis Hothyck
Minmatar
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2008.09.29 00:14:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Shardrael
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Ur235
Edited by: Ur235 on 27/09/2008 09:59:28

You forgot to mention that you guys lost 68 battleships....


Battleships are fodder, no one cares.
Take it this fight was over a moon?
Any info on what the build up to this was?



funny then how some entities have folded just from a couple bs fleets getting DD......

they may not be equivalent to dread losses however they still matter.


Not really. I lose only about 10 mil on a fully t2 fitted sniper bs loss(mega).

For most people this number won't be more than 30mil. You can lose 20 bs for each carrier kill and still come out ahead.


Yar, thats really my feeling - Some of my pilots actually make profit from losses due to corp policy i think, but we aim to cover rigs since most of my guys don't mission/rat enough to make their own.

Fact is, even if we assume every capital loss is insured (which sometimes isn't the case) and don't count the modules, its 300m lost on a carriers insurance - 25m Lost on a battleships, on sheer insurance losses alone you can lose 12 Battleships for one carrier.

68 Battleships < 9 Carriers in terms of insurance costs alone (like 1.3B vs 2B) - In terms of rigs and modules you have to consider a carriers full compliment of fighters (12m Each, which is equivalent to 10 rigs really), Capital modules (50m Each), T2 Fit and THEN its own rigs - And lets not start on dreads. The fact people keep coming back out despite losing their BS shows the general consensus on this.

To consider we killed 8 more dreads and the same number of carriers, well, we could have lost a hell of alot more BS and still came out ontop in terms of damage actually inflicted. Though, to be honest, we might have ran out of ships if we really pushed to that point because who the hell keeps ten spare fitted battleships lieing aroundLaughing

Very Happy



Orar Ironfist
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.29 02:17:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Helen
Originally by: Ur235
Edited by: Ur235 on 27/09/2008 09:59:28

You forgot to mention that you guys lost 68 battleships....


Battleships are fodder, no one cares.
Take it this fight was over a moon?
Any info on what the build up to this was?



a few battleships are fodder and noone should care...68 though is kinda a friggin lot. Im pretty sure thats a noticeable amount....


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