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Tubiger
Gallente
Shade.
Posted - 2008.09.18 05:34:00 - [121]
 

Please don't completely destroy IAC, I would like to come back and have some more fun with them someday Very Happy

Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2008.09.18 06:58:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Hellaciouss
Edited by: Hellaciouss on 18/09/2008 01:18:55

IIRC, IAC dominated ISS until ISS called in every merc alliance/corp is could get its hands on, including MC. IAC could have wiped out ISS with their eyes closed if it wasn't for all the mercs.

But anyway, that's the past! :D I just got back in game and ready to do what I can to get some good pewpew!~


No, you were able in the early days of the fight to hammer a scattered ISS in standard battles, however there was no chance of you being able to take stations on your own.

We even managed to maul you the odd time with Goons helping you, but what we couldn't do was stop you deploying dreads.

IAC vs ISS would always have been a stalemate without outside intervention.

Alaxen
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.09.18 07:23:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Tubiger
Please don't completely destroy IAC, I would like to come back and have some more fun with them someday Very Happy


Hey Tubgirl, we will miss you and Sunsets camping RNF 23/7.

Well, not really. Wink

Dark Motoko
Caldari
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
Posted - 2008.09.18 09:36:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Dark Motoko on 18/09/2008 09:39:19
Boys, you guys are always welcome amongst our number after our time in Catch, so if any ex-IAC corp needs a place to go, have a word with Adelphie / Phersephone in game. I'm a little MIA getting fixed up at university but they'll be able to sort you out.

That's a serious offer to all IAC. Put it this way, by now you must be in the mood for a break from POS warfare, and we can at least offer you that respite for now.

Oh and Hachou, the 'restructuring'? Poor move my friend, poor move. We had the same deal back in the Dark Matter Coalition last year and even if you only get 2-3 from half a dozen corps, it does at least warrant you another 10-20 guys. Against -A-, you needed that.

Anyhow, good luck guys, and if we can help with some hospitality in Venal, get in touch.


sartorii
Caldari
Genco
Posted - 2008.09.18 10:42:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Hellaciouss
Edited by: Hellaciouss on 18/09/2008 01:18:55

IIRC, IAC dominated ISS until ISS called in every merc alliance/corp is could get its hands on, including MC. IAC could have wiped out ISS with their eyes closed if it wasn't for all the mercs.

But anyway, that's the past! :D I just got back in game and ready to do what I can to get some good pewpew!~


No, you were able in the early days of the fight to hammer a scattered ISS in standard battles, however there was no chance of you being able to take stations on your own.

We even managed to maul you the odd time with Goons helping you, but what we couldn't do was stop you deploying dreads.

IAC vs ISS would always have been a stalemate without outside intervention.


Completely Clueless... THAT IAC had far more capitals than ISS could pull solo and quite a few more active Pvpers the the pitiful 'ISS Navy'.

ISS was dead the day they decided to let hostiles stage from their stations vs IAC. The only thing that kept them alive as long as they lived was emptying their investors pockets on Mercs.

sartorii
Caldari
Genco
Posted - 2008.09.18 10:55:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: sartorii on 18/09/2008 10:58:58
Originally by: Easley Thames

I agree that some corps were upset and considering leaving before the reset, but AFAIK many of the stricter requirements were being debated still and technically no one had left before the day of the Goon standings reset. I also was shocked when, during the invasion, the ongoing removal of innactive corps was not halted temporarily. It didn't matter in the end but that could have ended up being a key mistake. In short, I'm not defending the execs, but I do have a different take on the starting point of the failure cascade.

Our "fleet admiral" and the man who replaced him the previous week BOTH left with a particular corp the SAME day of the Goon reset. Vexara posted their farewell mail in alliance mail on their behalf with a little note saying "oh yeah and Genco is out too." Everyone, including corps that had no problem with the new rules, freaked out a bit at this point.

The new rules scared corps who wanted a casual environment. The standings reset and the rumors about a huge AAA + Goon + more fleet coming to kill us in a few days was what concinved the active pvp corps it was hopeless, and they are the ones you actually need when 200 BS show up to offline your cynojammers.



Genco was actually 'out' within hours of the Directors meeting the week before when it was clear that any 'advise and consent' of the CEOs/Directors was out the window, suggestions were falling on deaf ears, and the leadership didnt appear to care what was in the best interest for the majority of IAC pilots. More than one corp director convo'd me following that meeting, so I know Genco wasnt the only one debating a pull out that day (the week before Goons reset)

Genco didnt plan to announce until assets were safe and secure with only the final towers to move. That cat got let out slightly ahead of schedule due to the drama surrounding a inadvertent 'button push'.

The Goons reset (and more particularly the actions leading to it) were simply evidence to us that the leadership had clearly lost its mind and completely abandoned 'our vision' of IAC. tbh the opinion of most of our Directors was that IAC had been slowly degrading for a while, with corps being 'accepted' who lacked internal structure and therefore relied far to much on alliance hand outs for stability. We'd stuck it out longer than I ever expected, but it had become a fundamentally different alliance (and therefore weaker internally, diplomatically, economically) than it had been during previous invasions.

It was fun while it lasted, and I'll never forget some of the pilots it was my privilege to fly with and the epic battles and times we had. This isn't a slam vs any pilot or corp, it is simple recognition that no 'Conglomerate' can exist without a shared vision.

WowZilla
Minmatar
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
Posted - 2008.09.18 12:51:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Algey
No, you were able in the early days of the fight to hammer a scattered ISS in standard battles, however there was no chance of you being able to take stations on your own.

We even managed to maul you the odd time with Goons helping you, but what we couldn't do was stop you deploying dreads.

IAC vs ISS would always have been a stalemate without outside intervention.


I think you need to go here, consider what you said and then come back and state that ISS and its navy were quite simply militarily hopeless. Being useless wasnt a problem, not realising you were useless was.

Svetlanna
Amarr
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2008.09.18 14:46:00 - [128]
 


Try this again. I totally "gasp" the name of your alliance. I don't think you live up to it. Haven't seen -A- partake of battle festivities with any of those alliances the eve community would consider authorities. When you actually war against bob and/or goons then you may have something. Btw I think Svetlanna is a wonderful name for a greeter. Is it Indonesian?


We do live up to it on daily basis, thank you for your concern.
Also, I am touched by your compliment regarding my name and I assure you that I greet your people everyday with my guns at the front desk of your own home. It's a pleasure.
Indonesian? no... It is obviously from Terra Del Fuego
Twisted Evil
Hint: Google it if you have never heard of it before.

darth raida
Amarr
Failswarm
Posted - 2008.09.18 15:22:00 - [129]
 

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Thundirr
Amarr
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:16:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: darth raida
Originally by: WowZilla
Originally by: Algey
bleh quote]

I think you need to go here, consider what you said and then come back and state that ISS and its navy were quite simply militarily hopeless. Being useless wasnt a problem, not realising you were useless was.


Didnt IAC loose a nyx to ISS?


ISS was there but LV did all the heavy lifting, as in it was their dreads that jumped into C3-. ISS dictors were there to bubble him when he warped to a gate within smartbomb range. And as i recall he was desynced all to hell and back. Had screen shots from inside the pos shields and it had him being shot by the dreads back at the gate. Pilots at the POS could see him there with them as well. Was rather laggy mess. Thanks ccp.




Ekram Riz
Minmatar
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:30:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: sartorii

ISS was dead the day they decided to let hostiles stage from their stations vs IAC. The only thing that kept them alive as long as they lived was emptying their investors pockets on Mercs.


I thought it was -A- fleets that kept them alive...
Oh wait. Laughing
Same -A- fleets that are killing you now?

Safour
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:32:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Safour on 18/09/2008 16:33:19
Enuf Respec to all those remaining IAC brave enuf to continue the fight Twisted Evil

Empyre
Minmatar
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2008.09.18 16:36:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Empyre on 18/09/2008 16:37:14
Originally by: Thundirr
ISS was there but LV did all the heavy lifting, as in it was their dreads that jumped into C3-. ISS dictors were there to bubble him when he warped to a gate within smartbomb range. And as i recall he was desynced all to hell and back. Had screen shots from inside the pos shields and it had him being shot by the dreads back at the gate. Pilots at the POS could see him there with them as well. Was rather laggy mess. Thanks ccp.


Wow, you managed to get almost every excuse for losing a MS into a single response. Denial is a helluva drug. ISS may never have been an incredibly great aggressor, I won't deny that. We always had a problem with participation. But one thing ISS was great at was preservability (which was due primarily to a handful of dedicated folks, of which I was a part of much less than I would have liked). And taking that Nyx, agreeably with allies like most big fights always are, was in response to the defense of our space.

Make up any excuse you want about losing whatever was lost to ISS, but it won't hide the fact that it was lost in space that was still held by us with us involved. IAC didn't attack us many times (none that I can remember) without getting turned back, only to return with goons or tcf or some other ally or combination thereof.

So if you want to talk about sole achievements without allies, we'll start discussing those. But I'm afraid IAC has no room to talk in this subject area.

How's them karmic apples taste?

DHB FooFighter
Caldari
Dashavatara
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2008.09.18 17:03:00 - [134]
 

This is not a discussion about how ISS failed. IAC was the major factor in ISS demise and i can proudly claim i played a fairly significant role in that.

now back on topic.

tigress
Gallente
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.18 18:37:00 - [135]
 

o/ Foo, and yes. IIS? omg.



Marabethnie
Gallente
Altastic Harvesters
Posted - 2008.09.18 18:40:00 - [136]
 

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Chirusa
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.09.18 19:01:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Svetlanna

Try this again. I totally "gasp" the name of your alliance. I don't think you live up to it. Haven't seen -A- partake of battle festivities with any of those alliances the eve community would consider authorities. When you actually war against bob and/or goons then you may have something. Btw I think Svetlanna is a wonderful name for a greeter. Is it Indonesian?


We do live up to it on daily basis, thank you for your concern.
Also, I am touched by your compliment regarding my name and I assure you that I greet your people everyday with my guns at the front desk of your own home. It's a pleasure.
Indonesian? no... It is obviously from Terra Del Fuego
Twisted Evil
Hint: Google it if you have never heard of it before.


Tierra del fuego?? Debe ser indio ,nunca escuche de un nombre así y eso que vivo en argentina

Cupdeez
Caldari
Out of Order
Posted - 2008.09.18 20:07:00 - [138]
 

IAC should just take someone else space...

Lets see goons didn't have the balls to stick up for another alliance(So called allies) vs -a- so another alliance down the drain...

TCF is next on the list I wonder if Goons will let -a- kill them also.




Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2008.09.18 22:11:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: sartorii

Completely Clueless... THAT IAC had far more capitals than ISS could pull solo and quite a few more active Pvpers the the pitiful 'ISS Navy'.

ISS was dead the day they decided to let hostiles stage from their stations vs IAC. The only thing that kept them alive as long as they lived was emptying their investors pockets on Mercs.


Ooh, I'm being trolled, how fun.

ISS was not ISSN, and regardless of the alliance leadership the general members pulled together admirably. IAC were kept alive by -A-, and defeated ISS because of the Goons. The irony is amusing, but it doesn't change the fact that ISS couldn't have defeated IAC, nor could IAC have defeated ISS.

Jim Lovell
Gallente
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.09.18 23:46:00 - [140]
 

IAC could and DID flatten ISS I also proudly could say my dread was there popping ISS pos in KDF Laughing

Empyre
Minmatar
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2008.09.19 00:28:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Jim Lovell
IAC could and DID flatten ISS I also proudly could say my dread was there popping ISS pos in KDF Laughing


Oh yeah? How's that working out for you now? Just wonderin..

Jim Lovell
Gallente
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.09.19 00:34:00 - [142]
 

fine feeling good kickin back taking a brew :)

Elisa Day
Gallente
Shade.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.09.19 03:25:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Empyre
Wow, you managed to get almost every excuse for losing a MS into a single response. Denial is a helluva drug. ISS may never have been an incredibly great aggressor, I won't deny that. We always had a problem with participation. But one thing ISS was great at was preservability (which was due primarily to a handful of dedicated folks, of which I was a part of much less than I would have liked). And taking that Nyx, agreeably with allies like most big fights always are, was in response to the defense of our space.

Make up any excuse you want about losing whatever was lost to ISS, but it won't hide the fact that it was lost in space that was still held by us with us involved. IAC didn't attack us many times (none that I can remember) without getting turned back, only to return with goons or tcf or some other ally or combination thereof.


I still have that dictor.

Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2008.09.19 07:25:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Jim Lovell
IAC could and DID flatten ISS I also proudly could say my dread was there popping ISS pos in KDF Laughing


Hehe, you mean with the help of the goons and -A- you were able to deploy caps, and now with the help of goons and -A- you're off to Jita Laughing


Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.09.19 08:13:00 - [145]
 

Well we weren't really planning any major offensive or anything when I reset ISS so it's kindof moot, but what the hell nobody's providing updates on JZV area so why not speculate Razz

Let's say it had been just IAC vs ISS, we wouldn't have engaged POS right away so it would've just been random pew pew (and probably not that much of it since ISS didn't live in the area) eventually we would probably have started hitting POS in zxic and kdf to provoke fights, if Butter Dog was right about how amazingly good at POS defense ISS were then sure we probably would've failed to kill towers the first few times, but like I said ISS didn't live in area and eventually would've lost what little participation they had to start with, i figure when we eventually would've taken the stations it would've been pretty anticlimactic and facing very little resistance.

I think IAC would always have had a great advantage in being much more committed to the area, having more stamina and simply being more warlike.

The way it actually did turn out was a lot more interesting anyway since it had a significant and longlasting effect on the political situation of the south, becoming part of the great war that was ongoing at the time between the LV and RSF powerblocks and the resulting IAC/-A- relationship later affecting the BoB vs RSF war.



Anyways, any update on IAC's situation ? Any poses/sov gone down in the JZV constellation or did -A- stop after zx/kdf/f4r ? Razz

Yonos
Minmatar
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.09.19 08:28:00 - [146]
 

And so passes another EVE icon. GG back when you guys fought us in Curse Coalition... a sad ending for IAC indeed.

Gefex
Gallente
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.19 09:58:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Anyways, any update on IAC's situation ? Any poses/sov gone down in the JZV constellation or did -A- stop after zx/kdf/f4r ? Razz


Last I heard there was 3 -A- POS's in JBY and 100 man fleet camping MB- station.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.09.19 10:09:00 - [148]
 

alliance down to 640 members and looks like more leaving ;O

Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2008.09.19 10:20:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
...so why not speculate Razz

Let's say it had been just IAC vs ISS, we wouldn't have engaged POS right away so it would've just been random pew pew (and probably not that much of it since ISS didn't live in the area) eventually we would probably have started hitting POS in zxic and kdf to provoke fights, if Butter Dog was right about how amazingly good at POS defense ISS were then sure we probably would've failed to kill towers the first few times, but like I said ISS didn't live in area and eventually would've lost what little participation they had to start with, i figure when we eventually would've taken the stations it would've been pretty anticlimactic and facing very little resistance.

I think IAC would always have had a great advantage in being much more committed to the area, having more stamina and simply being more warlike.




If it had just been ISS vs IAC with no allies that is basically what would have happened in the end. Moving the whole of ISS from all over the map would not have been workable on a daily basis, which is why ISS were structured around a short term defence, with mercs being brought in if needed.

Really though it would have taken a fair bit longer than a few assaults, and our participation was not that bad. A large chunk of ISS did live in the LV stations just a bit down from KDF or up in Providence, it was just the far off ones who would have struggled moving every day.

In truth though Count was only interested in the LV stations, not the public stations (the LV stations were needed to pay dividends on the big lossmaker of an IPO), so we were never even allowed to buy and drop extra towers, or withdraw fully to Providence which would have made for a longer term and more interesting battle.

As is often the case it is the people at the top that are the reason an alliance fails, not the members themselves Very Happy

Alaxen
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.09.19 10:57:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Alaxen on 19/09/2008 10:57:35
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
alliance down to 640 members and looks like more leaving ;O


Yeah, IPWN and MVN have just announced they're leaving as well. IAC is supposed to be pulling out of JZV by/on October 1st. I doubt they'll get that far; MB station is perma-camped and people are getting fed up.


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