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CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2008.09.11 18:52:00 - [1]
 

This is a reminder that any discussion within threads about the relative prices of timecodes is forbidden.

The bazaar forums are not for discussion, threads should be limited to establishing a price and if online for sellers and a bid or request to contact by buyers.

The Community Team is well aware of the current debate on timecode sales and we would request that you confine this to one thread, preferably in the Market Discussions sub forum.

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Lorgoth
BearingPoint
Posted - 2008.09.15 04:21:00 - [2]
 

Post constructively. ~Saint

Johnster
Caldari
Resurrection
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2008.09.16 08:46:00 - [3]
 

60 day timecodes are going to be the end of eve for many.

silver babe
Posted - 2008.09.16 12:48:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Johnster
60 day timecodes are going to be the end of eve for many.



word. welcome to Ch1na-Online

schmarty pants
Posted - 2008.09.16 13:46:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: schmarty pants on 16/09/2008 14:34:44
I take back everything I said.

ty eve community!!!! ugh

SolarNight
Posted - 2008.09.17 05:41:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: SolarNight on 17/09/2008 05:41:07
CCP Mitnal where can i post proposal to eve development team?
Anyways. here we are.

Why dont use eve-market's like form to sell and buy timecodes?

I push button "i need to buy TC".
1. Set price (1mil step)
2. Set char name that need TC.(info is hidden)
3. ISK's removed from that char until it resolves or i cancel buy order.
Same for TC sellers.
They set price. TC deactivaes until someone buy it or seller cancel sell order.

Everyone see best buy price and sell price. Thats safe and fast. Ez i think. And no emo posts on forum, everyone happy.

Speculant's Broker
Posted - 2008.09.17 18:41:00 - [7]
 

Problem is with number of GTC's.
If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy.
If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.

After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.09.18 11:52:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Speculant's Broker
Problem is with number of GTC's.
If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy.
If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.

After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.


Agree.
I bought 2 GTC's for ISK a month ago. I wait till is done and than im quite. I dont need to WORK in the game to be able WORK in the game.

Slice Desh
Posted - 2008.09.18 22:08:00 - [9]
 

If you want to join the discussion about GTC prices go here.

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2008.09.23 23:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: The Spell

So i have no idea, why CCP changed the way with 30 and 90 day codes. For me .. all was fine !


Because the American market has been on a downward slope for years and "European" cutomers were giving like 40% less to ccp because of the difference. Instead of changing the cost of 30/90d codes they decided to sneak a new code out and bump the price a bit (no one will spot that will they)....

I dont think CCP publishes any data showing profits or investments made, but WoW has just done it, and in SUBSCRIPTIONS alone it shows that 2 months of subs have paid for the running cost since day 1 (wowzah).. I dont know how far CCP is behind blizzard, but here's guessing that it's not too far off for the difference to be laughable.

There may well be upsides to the removal of the old codes that we dont know about, I dont see 90d codes really helping macrominers. Where are the 180d and 360d codes of old (shorely someone paying 1 year up front even at time code rates has to be better than someone turning the account off 5 times a year!)..

Anyhow, they did it for the money as any buisness would do.
Time will tell if greed hurts the company.

THEDWARVEN
Posted - 2008.09.24 00:20:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: THEDWARVEN on 24/09/2008 00:19:57
30 days ago i bought a 60day GTC for 380mil. now they cost 500mil. how on earth does ccp justify hiking up prices that high... i mean to make it sorth the while to buy a 60day gtc i'd have to make at least 1bil a month which i dont. ow many players in eve do?

i think its a stupid move on ccp's part and they will see their subscriber numbers dwindling soon... they've also given the isk farmers more power over the game. wd.

John Caldr
Red Assault Brigades
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.09.24 08:52:00 - [12]
 

The main problem here is speculation and ... scam. I doubt that all the threads in the GTC topic are real. Its pretty simple to make an automated solution for buyers and sellers since it is only ONE item to get rid of the scam. Now some ppl just play on emotions to get rid of some part of EVE audience (and this part will NOT be the iskminers who will never stop playing), so if CCP do not want to suffer financial loses in near future and a great number of players who make EVE populated world ATM - they really should make a solution and few another steps to fix the situation fast.

Slink Shady
Posted - 2008.09.24 09:17:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Slink Shady on 24/09/2008 09:17:55
Originally by: Speculant's Broker
Problem is with number of GTC's.
If there is only 1 type - 60day, there is no balance in the market. There are macro-miners who are willing to buy for 500-600kk and there are sellers that are more then happy to WAIT and sell to that kind of guy.
If there were 30day code it would drag price's down, because it is highly unlikely to see some kind of GTC sellers cartel.

After all, without players there will be no money going to CCP. And I doubt that people are willing to play the game only to earn money only to pay for GTC = that is sick and we are no slaves = So wake up CCP and do something about that or You will lose players, slowly but for ever.


Exactly. Well done Eve, you've now priced many people out of the game. The brain box at CCP who decided to get rid of the option for 30 or 90 day codes needs to be sacked.

Mass Extinction
Posted - 2008.09.24 10:11:00 - [14]
 

CCP seem to forget that many people who play eve have no choice but to buy their codes with isk for many reasons:

1. they dont have a credit card
2. they dont know anyone with a credit card.
3. they cant buy time codes with cash.

Now there is only type of code, if you cant make the isk to pay for one before your account runs out, then Eve lose a player and the cash they wouldve got.

This move by CCP is one of the most stupid moves they have ever made.


Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente
Lysergic Spacetime Dimension
Posted - 2008.09.24 10:27:00 - [15]
 

Get a clue CCP.

If CCP sold time codes for ISK as well there would be an upper ceiling to prices.

Now you have got rid of the choice, prices have inflated tremendously. ie. the price of playing this game has increased by more than 40%.

That's ridiculous and caused solely by CCP getting rid of the choice of codes.

Well done CCP. You clearly know how to price people out of the game.

Idiots.

Arasill
Posted - 2008.09.24 13:26:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Arasill on 24/09/2008 13:38:08
basicly removing 30-90days gtc and only choose making 60days was the worst idea ccp have.i mean i dont wanna keep my account open for 2months maybe having some more options and the balance of their prices was ok.they were balancing eachother.if they would giving more price to 30-90days gtc would be better then ridding of those two and one option.this is just useless crap.ccp well done you are about to lose your half of active accounts just because of this.

the gtc prices goes up coz the people who can buy those and sell to isk is limited.the 30days gtc was a cheap and easy option for who needs isk and dont have so much real money.with removing it only the people who can afford to buy 90days gtc can buy and sell for isk so limiting the people who can buy gtc makes gtcs more expensive day by day.

Shady's Lady
Caldari
Posted - 2008.09.24 14:23:00 - [17]
 

Actually if you do the maths the price hike is even bigger than 40%.

When you could get 90 days codes they went for around 390mil isk, or 130mil isk for 30 days.

60 days codes are going for around 540mil isk now which is 270mil isk for 30 days.

That's more than a 100% price increase.

CCP should really be ashamed of themselves for creating this siutation. I play this game for the enjoyment not so I have to work hard to put my time and effort in the pockets of the clearly greedy.

When my account expires I won't be playing anymore because the fun has been sucked out of the game by the greed of time code sellers.

Well done CCP. Great job. Not.

Stannis Breaker
Posted - 2008.09.24 14:42:00 - [18]
 

I am all for a free market etc etc, but in the last few weeks the prices have gone up alot.

I bought a 60 day for 380mill not less than a month ago and looking at the bazaar now they range from 400 to 600mill - This isnt helped by people (isk traders and alike) simply asking for GTC at stupid prices just because they can run EVE 23/7 and earn vastly more than a traditional player.

Sadly I cannot see CCP changing anything, as the paying customer (well kinda) you would imagine we have come leverage - strangely enough we do not!

lifes a biatch, then you play EVE

Stan

Udriits
Posted - 2008.09.24 15:11:00 - [19]
 

Well, if you are buying GTC you are not a paying customer - those who sell GTC's are paying customers that earn money for CCP.

Also, GTC price doesn't mean that the game is more expensive - the money cost is the same; but it means that ISK is cheaper, as 1 dollar or 1 eur can now buy more ISK than before. Which, actually, does make the deal more attractive to the paying customers, as they are getting more shiny and e-peen building T2 ships for every $$$ they pay.

Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente
Lysergic Spacetime Dimension
Posted - 2008.09.24 15:13:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Slinkus Gallentus on 24/09/2008 15:14:25
Whether you pay in ISK or cash, a time code has been sold by CCP, so it's still buying in the proper sense of the word.

It just occurred to me that we can ruin this market quite easily. Given enough players, you accept an invitation to buy a code, but dont complete the deal. I believe the deal can be there for 48 hours unless it is accepted or cancelled. This would put the greedy's time codes on hold for up to 48 hours.

At the end of the 48 hours they get no sale. This would take a co-ordinated effort, but in principle it would work. Sellers would be left with the time code that they have already paid for and it would soon become a burden for them to try and off-load.

I might even start a website with this in mind if I get enough support.


Arasill
Posted - 2008.09.24 16:37:00 - [21]
 

let ccp think a min.

there is lots of player buying gtc coz there is some reasons for this reason.when they start leaving this game active account numbers will go down.this means less laggy server yes but less money you earn.and after this other players who paying with real money will getting bored coz target amount will go down and they also will start leaving game then only isk farmers and other empire people will left at game.

i think like this ccp.dunno what you think

21 Salvager
Minmatar
We Are Still Alive
Posted - 2008.09.24 17:14:00 - [22]
 

Reply to GTC prices and amount sold: Needs analysis by Dr. EyjoG if you want some real analysis.

Belmarduk
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2008.09.24 18:21:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Udriits
Well, if you are buying GTC you are not a paying customer - those who sell GTC's are paying customers that earn money for CCP.

Also, GTC price doesn't mean that the game is more expensive - the money cost is the same; but it means that ISK is cheaper, as 1 dollar or 1 eur can now buy more ISK than before. Which, actually, does make the deal more attractive to the paying customers, as they are getting more shiny and e-peen building T2 ships for every $$$ they pay.


Wrong - GTC buyers pay via the gtc sellers.

I wonder how many alt-accounts are going to close in the next 6 months....

My main account is still paid till end of 2009 - my alt account is closing spring 2009.
I have time - lets see if the gtc-sellers can keep the prices up that long..... YARRRR!!

CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2008.09.25 04:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: SolarNight
Edited by: SolarNight on 17/09/2008 05:41:07
CCP Mitnal where can i post proposal to eve development team?
Anyways. here we are.

Why dont use eve-market's like form to sell and buy timecodes?

I push button "i need to buy TC".
1. Set price (1mil step)
2. Set char name that need TC.(info is hidden)
3. ISK's removed from that char until it resolves or i cancel buy order.
Same for TC sellers.
They set price. TC deactivaes until someone buy it or seller cancel sell order.

Everyone see best buy price and sell price. Thats safe and fast. Ez i think. And no emo posts on forum, everyone happy.


Best place to post ideas is in the features and ideas sub forum which is located here.

Alierite
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.09.25 08:10:00 - [25]
 

2 out of 3 of my accounts have been offline for 3-4 weeks now because of this, i cannot afford these prices. Bring back 30/90day gtcs or cap the 60 day price to 400mil please

myrddhyn
Posted - 2008.09.25 16:50:00 - [26]
 

The high prices will turn away customers who for some reason can't affort ( at this moment ) to buy one or more accounts with real money.
I read a lot of reply's in other discussione; get a job and if you can't afford 15$ you shouldn't play.
I totally disagree with this
If you turn away customers by letting these prices go up you'll also lose future cutomers. People won't return to the game even when they could afford it If you want to 'invest' in the future of the game i think it's important that you keep the gtc option viable for more then just the elite or the cheaters. The best advertisement for your game you can't buy and that is happy customers getting friends in on the game.
and if not Eve is indeed gonna be stuck with those that just can afford to pay for it and a lot of isk farmers who can still afford to buy the gtc.
I had a few guys quitting the game just because prices are too high and I really regret it.
As already suggested a reintroduction of more options of GTC would be a start.

Slider VonMueler
Posted - 2008.09.27 05:06:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: myrddhyn
The high prices will turn away customers who for some reason can't affort ( at this moment ) to buy one or more accounts with real money.
I read a lot of reply's in other discussione; get a job and if you can't afford 15$ you shouldn't play.
I totally disagree with this
If you turn away customers by letting these prices go up you'll also lose future cutomers. People won't return to the game even when they could afford it If you want to 'invest' in the future of the game i think it's important that you keep the gtc option viable for more then just the elite or the cheaters. The best advertisement for your game you can't buy and that is happy customers getting friends in on the game.
and if not Eve is indeed gonna be stuck with those that just can afford to pay for it and a lot of isk farmers who can still afford to buy the gtc.
I had a few guys quitting the game just because prices are too high and I really regret it.
As already suggested a reintroduction of more options of GTC would be a start.


Maybe I'm confused, but I thought other players were selling me their timecodes they bought with REAL MONEY? No? If so this just means that isk is becoming worthless if this premise is the case.(Someone out there able to make to much money..not me though:( I guess I don't see how CCP is involved.

My reply to anyone telling you how to spend your money is get a life..lol..they must be losers. To me it is a matter of the end result, a more practical nature and perception of value. There is only so many online accounts one can have...lets see Eve second or Warhammer first...tada!..DOH!

No brain surgery level skill or thinking involved and no regrets:)

Chase Meridian
Posted - 2008.09.27 19:53:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Chase Meridian on 27/09/2008 19:56:34
There's a lot of people in here complaining about the hike in the cost of GTC's in terms of ISK, but not one person has mentioned the fact that by introducing 60day GTC and getting rid of the others CCP have hiked the price of GTC's in terms of real money. They now cost about 26% more than the equivalent used to:

90 day GTC used to cost $38.85 = $12.95 a month
60 day GTC now costs $34.99 = $17.50 a month

Evil Medusa
Posted - 2008.09.29 04:25:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Evil Medusa on 29/09/2008 04:26:42
What is needed is a way to know if the sales that look like they are happening, are in fact happening. I have no reason to believe that GTCs are actually selling for such high prices, it could all just be market hype. I've seen one player, who want to buy a 60day for 380mil, being flammed by others for asking for that amount rather than paying more... this is pretty bad when players are critized because they are not willing to pay what the sellers are demanding.

Smeld
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:02:00 - [30]
 

If you guys want to play Eve, you have to pay for it. It is an evolving game that requires paid personnel to keep it at the high tech end of gaming otherwise we would all think it was ****e and go play Jet Set Willy or Hungry Horace.

I buy GTC to sell to you guys so I can have some isk to buy ships and ammo to then go and pew pew you all.Wink

If you want to do the same as me, then pay for Eve using direct debit, but eve codes to get your isk and then go pew pew and stop goddamn moaning about something you can control yourselves. Yarr YARRRR!!

CCP dont need or want you to be self sufficient in the game or yes you will be mining and trading to keep your accounts open....duh!



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