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Ishkur
Gallente
Policy Research Group
Posted - 2004.06.14 21:21:00 - [31]
 

If I can drop one other morsel into this thread without getting my head chewed off, here's a sample of a thread between enemies that so far hasn't been filled up with flames and smack talk. And considering the history between these two sides, that's something of an accomplishment.

It CAN be done -- "controversy with civility" is what some have called it. But both sides have to want it; just one spewage of verbal diarreah will ruin the whole thing (which, one could argue, is where the mods ought to come into play, but then one would be revealing one's naivete).

Wink

Ronyo Dae'Loki
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.06.14 21:41:00 - [32]
 

Being uninvolved in the Northern War, I greatly enjoyed Jade's long post. It was a great account and a good read.

Was it one-sided? Of course! It's the personal account of the CEO of one of the main corps warring against the PA! What'd you expect? But that's what made it so enjoyable: it was a personal account reflecting how one person had seen the war. It wasn't a news article.

That said, I was amazed at the shameful behaviour of the PA in allowing its pilots to be so immature as to dogpile something they didn't like in order to bury it.

You want to rebuff Jade's claims? WRITE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT OF THE WAR! I don't think anyone expects it to quite as long as Jade's, as she is somewhat long-winded, but make a nice long in-character post, instead of flaming the opposing side into oblivion. I'm sure all the other neutral observers will enjoy readin your account as much as we enjoyed reading Jade's post.

Jade Constantia
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.06.14 21:42:00 - [33]
 


Quote:
It is just amazing that Jade couldn't wait for the 72 hours to pass before posting that unabridged enciclopaedia of lies. Is it going so badly for your so called "Coalition"?


I waited out the full period of the 72 hour ban before posting with this character and it offends me that you would lie so blatently about this.

Gafton
Caldari
Anormalii S.A.
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2004.06.14 21:51:00 - [34]
 

Quote:
it offends me that you would lie so blatently about this


LMAO Pot calling the kettle black.

I thought you were better than this jade? I mean your responces so far have been lackluster to say the most. I mean on a pr perspective, whining to the mods that someone posted ooc to your ic post in a ooc forum is a little on the desperate side. Again if you want ic replies to your ic posts then i would strongly suggest posting in a ic only part of these forums. Otherwise ooc are allowed.

Bohr
Gallente
EVE Wide Warez
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:00:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Being uninvolved in the Northern War, I greatly enjoyed Jade's long post. It was a great account and a good read.

Was it one-sided? Of course! It's the personal account of the CEO of one of the main corps warring against the PA! What'd you expect? But that's what made it so enjoyable: it was a personal account reflecting how one person had seen the war. It wasn't a news article.

That said, I was amazed at the shameful behaviour of the PA in allowing its pilots to be so immature as to dogpile something they didn't like in order to bury it.

You want to rebuff Jade's claims? WRITE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT OF THE WAR! I don't think anyone expects it to quite as long as Jade's, as she is somewhat long-winded, but make a nice long in-character post, instead of flaming the opposing side into oblivion. I'm sure all the other neutral observers will enjoy readin your account as much as we enjoyed reading Jade's post.



thYes, on spot about the read, but making an OOC disclaimer, and then, in same OOC disclaimer, state that this is actually very close to, if not the truth of what happened the last 2 weeks is asking for the flames to commence. It's also what's referred to as trolling, igniting the flames or throwing kerosene on a bonfire, and therefor no wonder she have a horde of people ready to spam the read as Jade herself has done many times the last 2 weeks. IC and OOC or in a bowl called JF spokeswoman Jade Constantine. And i'm a neutral Shocked

Jade Constantia
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:03:00 - [36]
 


Learn to read Gafton. I couldn't care less about ooc responses to my thread. I do care about a premeditated campaign to troll and flame a thread until it is locked.

These are two very different things and you know it. (not that you would admit it of course).

Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Being uninvolved in the Northern War, I greatly enjoyed Jade's long post. It was a great account and a good read.

Was it one-sided? Of course! It's the personal account of the CEO of one of the main corps warring against the PA! What'd you expect? But that's what made it so enjoyable: it was a personal account reflecting how one person had seen the war. It wasn't a news article.

That said, I was amazed at the shameful behaviour of the PA in allowing its pilots to be so immature as to dogpile something they didn't like in order to bury it.

You want to rebuff Jade's claims? WRITE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT OF THE WAR! I don't think anyone expects it to quite as long as Jade's, as she is somewhat long-winded, but make a nice long in-character post, instead of flaming the opposing side into oblivion. I'm sure all the other neutral observers will enjoy readin your account as much as we enjoyed reading Jade's post.


Thank you Ronyo Dae'Loki, that is exactly my point. I practically begged people not to pointlessly flame that topic in the opening note. And it breaks my heart really to see that players of this game are so intent on protecting their pretend alliance that they would so extensively trash a few thousand words of narrative analysis of the ongoing war situation in this way.

And whats more, they are admitting doing it!

It astounds me that we are on eve-online corp and organisation forums while these PA flamer guys are relishing their ability to kill an IC thread with coordinated breach of the forum posting rules.

What on earth is going on?

Bohr
Gallente
EVE Wide Warez
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:26:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantia

Learn to read Gafton. I couldn't care less about ooc responses to my thread. I do care about a premeditated campaign to troll and flame a thread until it is locked.

These are two very different things and you know it. (not that you would admit it of course).

Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Being uninvolved in the Northern War, I greatly enjoyed Jade's long post. It was a great account and a good read.

Was it one-sided? Of course! It's the personal account of the CEO of one of the main corps warring against the PA! What'd you expect? But that's what made it so enjoyable: it was a personal account reflecting how one person had seen the war. It wasn't a news article.

That said, I was amazed at the shameful behaviour of the PA in allowing its pilots to be so immature as to dogpile something they didn't like in order to bury it.

You want to rebuff Jade's claims? WRITE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT OF THE WAR! I don't think anyone expects it to quite as long as Jade's, as she is somewhat long-winded, but make a nice long in-character post, instead of flaming the opposing side into oblivion. I'm sure all the other neutral observers will enjoy readin your account as much as we enjoyed reading Jade's post.


Thank you Ronyo Dae'Loki, that is exactly my point. I practically begged people not to pointlessly flame that topic in the opening note. And it breaks my heart really to see that players of this game are so intent on protecting their pretend alliance that they would so extensively trash a few thousand words of narrative analysis of the ongoing war situation in this way.

And whats more, they are admitting doing it!

It astounds me that we are on eve-online corp and organisation forums while these PA flamer guys are relishing their ability to kill an IC thread with coordinated breach of the forum posting rules.

What on earth is going on?




You do ****e at playing the suddenly innocent char tho :)

Jadrut
Minmatar
The KUM
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:36:00 - [38]
 

i stand by my word

Flamers = Bad monkeys

Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:36:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Kronarty on 14/06/2004 22:41:19
Originally by: Jade Constantia
It astounds me that we are on eve-online corp and organisation forums while these PA flamer guys are relishing their ability to kill an IC thread with coordinated breach of the forum posting rules.



So far the only forum-rules-challenged individual here has been you.

At least you admit it here:

Originally by: Jade Constantia
I waited out the full period of the 72 hour ban before posting with this character and it offends me that you would lie so blatently about this.


Although you also denied it here:

Originally by: Jade Constantia
Then you discuss forum moderation and spread the false rumour that my account has been banned.


And admitted it (previously) here:

Jade's post in Jericho Forums

Can you please stick to one version of the events? Thank you.




Stoop
Gallente
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:37:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantia

And it breaks my heart really to see that players of this game are so intent on protecting their pretend alliance that they would so extensively trash a few thousand words of narrative analysis of the ongoing war situation in this way.

And whats more, they are admitting doing it!




It really breaks my heart to see such duality. You are hell bent on killing the PA.

And whats more, you wont admit doing it.

Secondly I want to point something out to you Jade. You know this just as well as I do. Your IC role in this game is to breed hate. Maybe you have some euphamisms for it, meh who gives a ****. You breed hate.

I remember a time back in the NVA days when I was not aware of who or what you were. I was under the same blindess than many corps/alliances are in now. I believed what you said and supported you. It was at this time that I unrightfully killed a TTI pilot at a very lagged and overcrowded event in Amarr. You were happy about this and said that you would potentionally use this as fuel. You thought about using this to incite a war with NVA and CFS by stating that NVA was paid by CFS to kill the TTI member. This was far from the truth, but you thought it would be good for moral for the NVA to have an easy opponent. It was at this time that we were battling with the pirate types in m3g4/bio/whatever.

You had an agenda. To keep your little alliance under your thumb. You took measures to do this. Lord only knows what level of lies you spat to keep as much control as possible. It even got to the point were everyone within the NVA had to tell you to shut your mouth beacuse it was getting so out of hand. Each post was more and more desperate and reflectred very badly upon the NVA. You did repsect the wishes of the NVA but this was just the calm before the storm.

You breed hate.

You write lies.

You bread hate.

You recieved hate.

Face it.

Reap what you sow.

Halseth Durn
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:54:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantia

I do care about a premeditated campaign to troll and flame a thread until it is locked.


All I saw was a lot of people responding with counterpoints to what they saw as "inacuracies" in your post. After all, this is a forum for debate. Crying "TROLL" and "FLAMERS" because they dont agree with you is quite childish.

As for my sudden appearence today; If I get a email saying "hey Jade is quoting you and it doesn't sound like you, heres the link" you can bet your booty that I will check it out. Just because I am gone, doesnt mean you can start putting words in my mouth.

Speaking of, I am still waiting for you to explain this:
Quote:
Halseth Durn formed NAST to "keep the natives in line" and play divide and rule against his old enemies and RKK corporation. -Jade


Putting that phrase in quotes insinuates that I said that. Your IC propaganda novela is one thing. But deliberately fabricating quotes to achieve ones political goals is downright shamefull.


See yall next month!
Hal


Jade Constantia
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:54:00 - [42]
 


This is really special. PA flames and hatred and loathing but absolutely no argument with my essential accusation.

PA intentionally flamed an IC narrative analysis to the lock because they didn't want to have that material available to the Eve player base.

Simply because it made them look bad.

Face it guys, you can't win the debate so you cheated.

You "griefed" a forum thread until the lock.

crice
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:55:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Jadrut
i stand by my word

Flamers = Bad monkeys


Write it down. I agree with Jad...

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:55:00 - [44]
 

I really think some of you should take a break from the forums, just stop reading/posting for like a week and chill out honestly, this stuff is getting really seriously out of hand. I mean hell I've done my fair share of flaming but this pa/jf/nast/whatever thing is really beyond a joke, for days and days now its just been a constant stream of one post after another each getting flamed down within minutes of it appearing. Each side accuses the other of lame forum wars, lame forum greifing and whatever and you really are all as bad as each other.

I mean what you have to ask yourselves is what is the point in these flame wars, you think anyone on the outside actually BELIEVES anything either of the two sides has to say after all you lot have spewed forth onto the forums over the last few months? I doubt it....

I like a good war as much as the next man, infact probably more, but all of ya's need to take a cooler and repeat the magic mantra, its onnllly a game, its onnnllyy a game. Cos tbh if you don't stop this crap your just gonna get perma banned on all your accounts and I can't say that I'll be sorry to see you go.

'History is written by the observers, propaganda is written by the victors'

Stavros

juduzz
Amarr
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:57:00 - [45]
 

Quote:
Face it guys, you can't win the debate so you cheated.


Jade you didnt answer any of the questions brought up so you cant use that as an excuss.

KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:59:00 - [46]
 

Perhaps if you posted your IC posts in the IC forum then the mods could just delete any OOC replys for you.

If you post in an OOC forum even if you say its IC, expect to get OOC replys.

If you have a problem with the moderators actions you should email the mods, posting here in this manour is only going to encourage more flaming, although I guess you know that.

Jade Constantia
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.06.14 22:59:00 - [47]
 


That is the point though Stavros.

Both sides want something different.

I want an IC narrative analysis of the war to stay in an unlocked thread.

PA wants the thread locked.

Hence they will flame everything that moves until the lock.

Your "both sides are as bad as the other" is a cop-out.

Only one side wants threads locked to stifle debate. And reading these recent threads you can see which side it is.




Viceroy
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:02:00 - [48]
 

take a chill pill, its only a forum thread.

Klydor
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:04:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantia

I want an IC narrative analysis of the war to stay in an unlocked thread.




Post in the IC forum then. Anyone who posts ooc there will be dealt with.

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:04:00 - [50]
 

Jade I aint getting into this with you, but you know full well if say Halseth had posted something similar to what you did, the JF guys and the rest of their allies would of flamed it down just as heavily as the PA guys did to you. Besides which if they were flaming it why did you HAVE to reply? Why not just petition the mods and let them handle it? You were just as guilty as they were Jade and you know it.

You are all really as bad as each other and for this to stop its going to take one corp to say right thats it, we are the more mature, we just gonna leave the forums alone. Nothing is gained from what you peopel are doing here, your just making yourselves look worse and worse to the small percentage of the eve community that reads these forums.

If I was a teacher I'd be saying something like GROW UP THE PAIR OF YAS OR ILL BANG YER HEADS TOGETHER, but I ain't so just knock it the chuff off will yas?

Stavros

The Ratfink
Minmatar
Konzil der Drei
Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:16:00 - [51]
 

Isn't talking about how moderation should be done and talking about locked threads an offense to get this thread locked too?

Stoop
Gallente
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:17:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantia


Both sides want something different.




I think the Forums were very nice during your 72 hour ban. =)

You speak of LCDs. I know what an LCD is too Jade.

crice
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:17:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Stavros
I really think some of you should take a break from the forums, just stop reading/posting for like a week and chill out honestly, this stuff is getting really seriously out of hand. I mean hell I've done my fair share of flaming but this pa/jf/nast/whatever thing is really beyond a joke, for days and days now its just been a constant stream of one post after another each getting flamed down within minutes of it appearing. Each side accuses the other of lame forum wars, lame forum greifing and whatever and you really are all as bad as each other.

I mean what you have to ask yourselves is what is the point in these flame wars, you think anyone on the outside actually BELIEVES anything either of the two sides has to say after all you lot have spewed forth onto the forums over the last few months? I doubt it....

I like a good war as much as the next man, infact probably more, but all of ya's need to take a cooler and repeat the magic mantra, its onnllly a game, its onnnllyy a game. Cos tbh if you don't stop this crap your just gonna get perma banned on all your accounts and I can't say that I'll be sorry to see you go.

'History is written by the observers, propaganda is written by the victors'

Stavros


Listen to Stavros. He is 100% correct. Seems this has turned really really bitter. Take it out in game. I don't think CA<SA<XETIC has ever gotten this bad.

Reassor
Gallente
The Wolf Brigade
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:32:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: crice
Originally by: Stavros
I really think some of you should take a break from the forums, just stop reading/posting for like a week and chill out honestly, this stuff is getting really seriously out of hand. I mean hell I've done my fair share of flaming but this pa/jf/nast/whatever thing is really beyond a joke, for days and days now its just been a constant stream of one post after another each getting flamed down within minutes of it appearing. Each side accuses the other of lame forum wars, lame forum greifing and whatever and you really are all as bad as each other.

I mean what you have to ask yourselves is what is the point in these flame wars, you think anyone on the outside actually BELIEVES anything either of the two sides has to say after all you lot have spewed forth onto the forums over the last few months? I doubt it....

I like a good war as much as the next man, infact probably more, but all of ya's need to take a cooler and repeat the magic mantra, its onnllly a game, its onnnllyy a game. Cos tbh if you don't stop this crap your just gonna get perma banned on all your accounts and I can't say that I'll be sorry to see you go.

'History is written by the observers, propaganda is written by the victors'

Stavros


Listen to Stavros. He is 100% correct. Seems this has turned really really bitter. Take it out in game. I don't think CA<SA<XETIC has ever gotten this bad.


yyy coz they dnt have Jade ??? Rolling Eyes

Psy Corp
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2004.06.14 23:57:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Reassor
Originally by: crice
Originally by: Stavros
I really think some of you should take a break from the forums, just stop reading/posting for like a week and chill out honestly, this stuff is getting really seriously out of hand. I mean hell I've done my fair share of flaming but this pa/jf/nast/whatever thing is really beyond a joke, for days and days now its just been a constant stream of one post after another each getting flamed down within minutes of it appearing. Each side accuses the other of lame forum wars, lame forum greifing and whatever and you really are all as bad as each other.

I mean what you have to ask yourselves is what is the point in these flame wars, you think anyone on the outside actually BELIEVES anything either of the two sides has to say after all you lot have spewed forth onto the forums over the last few months? I doubt it....

I like a good war as much as the next man, infact probably more, but all of ya's need to take a cooler and repeat the magic mantra, its onnllly a game, its onnnllyy a game. Cos tbh if you don't stop this crap your just gonna get perma banned on all your accounts and I can't say that I'll be sorry to see you go.

'History is written by the observers, propaganda is written by the victors'

Stavros


Listen to Stavros. He is 100% correct. Seems this has turned really really bitter. Take it out in game. I don't think CA<SA<XETIC has ever gotten this bad.


yyy coz they dnt have Jade ??? Rolling Eyes


thats very true Laughing

Havocide
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.06.15 00:08:00 - [56]
 

omg jade just die

limpy bint
Caldari
Deep Space Expedition.
Posted - 2004.06.15 00:16:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Havocide
omg jade just die


Dont hold back havo, tell her what you really think!!

Limpy Bint

Jade Constantia
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.06.15 00:18:00 - [58]
 


Flames, hate, loathing, nonsense aside, the fact remains.

You guys flamed and trolled a valid thread until it was locked because you didn't want to see it stand in the eyes of the community.

One thing I think everyone should probably remember at this point.

I suspect I have already been the single most reviled player in the history of Eve online. I have had more swearing and shouting and personal insults levelled against me than anyone else.

This has two immediate implications;

1. I consistently hit a nerve.
2. I am pretty damned immune to being silenced by flamers.

So, I sustain my protest.

PA you cheated and "griefed" a forum thread to the lock.

I simply say this is clearly not on and the more you insult and hopelessly attempt to demean or bully me the more desperately outclassed you look in the sphere of rational rebate.

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.06.15 00:24:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Stavros on 15/06/2004 00:27:43
dammit there goes my nobel peace prize Rolling Eyes

SlightlyMad
Caldari
High Voltage Industries
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2004.06.15 00:25:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: SlightlyMad on 15/06/2004 00:28:29
How can you post an IC post with an alt??

You have lost immensly ground and credability these past weeks and your excuses and scheming is right out of the closet.

This is not even JPA = Jade Puppet Alliance anymore. Its JPA = Jade Pirate Alliance.

All you claim to be or support is just a mockery in the light of your actions



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