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Little Fistter
Caldari
Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris
Posted - 2008.09.19 21:58:00 - [61]
 

Hey, I know I may have said something controversial, but I really do not see the fun in me running into an alliance fleet who I have no reason to bother, but who will kill me just for being there.

I think that NBSI just means the biggest blob wins... and frankly thats not much of a challenge... When ten guys beat two or three, is that really something to be proud of?

I would love a PvP tournament system, where two players can do combat and NO ONE ELSE can attack them.

Maybe register at a Fight agent office and when a fair match comes up both players are given an appointment time and location. That would rock.

I tried to have a one-on-one matchup in empire and found a guy who claimed he was willing, we met at an empty moon and began fighting (we each stole from the others can to permit the fight, of course...)

Then out of no where several of his friends warped in and killed my ship.

To my mind, he lost that fight because there was outside interference. I will not fall for that again. So, there is no PvP outside of bully/gang attacks in Eve, which is unfortunate.

How can a gang attack a single player then feel like they "won" when they kill his ship? I think they fail.

How about ONLY a fair, one on one fight can generate a killmail?

Still, the guy who said the devs should fix lag and desynch issues is correct, until the game is bug free they should not be adding new featured.

"Its the Architecture stupid!"

I better stop writing before I get myself banned.
Evil or Very Mad

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.22 04:24:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Little Fistter


How can a gang attack a single player then feel like they "won" when they kill his ship? I think they fail.

How about ONLY a fair, one on one fight can generate a killmail?

Still, the guy who said the devs should fix lag and desynch issues is correct, until the game is bug free they should not be adding new featured.
Evil or Very Mad



Sigh, 1v1's have fallen by the wayside my friend. Speaking for myself i much prefer fair fights or even when the numbers are against you. When you spank them you feel like you've accomplished something meaningful.

Unfortunately for those looking for epic "fair fights" this is EVE not WOW.

mahj
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.09.23 09:52:00 - [63]
 

yes, make it bigger. feels like everywhere i go i am bumping into someone else. When i started i was in a deadend system and had a can at entry gate to mark it not even possible now.
And i havent even found a station yet that doesent have several corps listed as home base??? How can every station in eve have multiple corps home base?

Jina Bulheart
Posted - 2008.09.23 12:22:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Jina Bulheart on 23/09/2008 12:23:24
Ok...I have three characters on one account (sorry not like the rest of you who can afford more than one account. I created a combat character, a miner, and I want have a new character I to be a pirate (I just want to see what its like), but after reading posts here and about becoming a pirate I have realized a couple of things....I HAVE NO CHANCE.
Making Eve bigger I don't think is going to help, why? Well, those BIG alliences people are talking about will just get bigger and take over the new space anyway, so that doesn't solve the problem most people are talking about which is that the BIG alliences have too much control and there is no way for smaller corps or solo players to eeek out a living.
I would LOVE to do PVP in Eve, but I can't, why? Well my combat character can't make ISK except by mission running, I have few if ANY mining skills, and without ISK I can't buy any sort of equiptment to even THINK about going into low sec. When a Cruiser gets smoked by a frigate what sort of chance do I have? I am not as old as most of the characters in low/null space so don't have the skills to use the T2 gear yet and therefor have no chance in those areas. So, I have to stick to high sec space where I eek out a living making just enough isk to replace my ammo and buy an occasional ship after 4 months of training to pilot it IF I am lucky.
For example, my combat character can now fly its first battleship...can I afford one? HECK NO! 100+ mil to buy and equip it just to fly into low sec and get smoked by a destroyer? I can't see putting in that kind of time or isk. So, I keep to high sec and miss out on the fun of eve in the PVP. I would like to see a leveling of the playing field. I am not saying to nerf the higher level players, no not at all. What I am asking for is some sort of increase in the amount of isk given out, a lowering of the amount of missions needed to get storyline agents as they give out decent equiptment I suppose, or maybe even let regular agents give out more than just isk?
I don't know. I just know that I want to play PVP but am realizing I HAVE NO CHANCE because a few players/alliences/corps control most of the space and will not allow the rest of us to even remotely venture into their space, not even for mission running.

Sorry if this is off topic and sounds like a rant, that is not my intention. I just want people to know how frustrating the game can be when you can't venture past .5 space and people here are asking for expanded space. Just my two cents.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.23 13:00:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Jina Bulheart


Sorry if this is off topic and sounds like a rant, that is not my intention. I just want people to know how frustrating the game can be when you can't venture past .5 space and people here are asking for expanded space. Just my two cents.


There's a simple solution. Learn how to play the game. You already have a good start by reading the forums. Get in with a pvp group that knows its way around the game. Faction warfare is a good place to start since they have pickup gangs and warfare is pretty cheap (even a simple frig can score kills). You need 0.5 standing with someone, but there are ways to get that fast.

Jina Bulheart
Posted - 2008.09.23 14:59:00 - [66]
 

LOL....First off I DO know how to PLAY the game, just can't make ISK. Second, my point was if they want to fix, what people see in this post as broken, then I think(in my opinion) they need to somehow level the playing field for new players and those that want to go into low sec space not necassarily make eve bigger by adding systems.

Thank you for the post on how to get my sec rating up, I didn't even know there were data centers and may try that.

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.23 16:02:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Jina Bulheart
LOL....First off I DO know how to PLAY the game, just can't make ISK. Second, my point was if they want to fix, what people see in this post as broken, then I think(in my opinion) they need to somehow level the playing field for new players and those that want to go into low sec space not necassarily make eve bigger by adding systems.

Thank you for the post on how to get my sec rating up, I didn't even know there were data centers and may try that.



How to make isk:

1)Don't mine, period. Limited return and a waste of SP. (/me waits eagerly to get flamed for this).
It destroys the will to play and your view of the game will forever be tainted by the dreaded cearbear plague. Laughing

2)Get your char into a young 0.0 corp which rents space from a larger alliance. Get one of the nice ppl in those corps to carrier jump two Drakes out to 0.0 for you. Simultaneously pilot those two drakes to pop 0.0 rats, 1.5m bounties makes isk fast enough with low SP and low isk. Do that 20 times and you can buy another drake if you lose it. Plus you have the chance for faction/officer spawns.

3)If you're patient, have no morals, and you know what items in the game are worth: Highsec ganking. (/me waits for MOAR flaming).

EVE has TONS of empty 0.0 systems. Trust me I've flown thru them. If you don't believe me, insure your clone, hop in a shuttle and wander around 0.0. (once you get past the entry camps where you'll get podded you're generally fine).


But srsly for a chance at low risk 0.0 reward, get in a renter corp, go farming and x up for PVP gangs...
Basically: "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em or STFU".


Elhina Novae
HAMMER -N- SICKEL
Posted - 2008.09.23 17:17:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Elhina Novae on 23/09/2008 17:18:32
0.0 space can be easily ninja'd, not saying i've done it myself but i know people who's into that sort of thing.

The mythical 0.0 holds big rewards, who everyone wants, so you better fight for it if you want a permanent home where you can make the big iskies from ratting or mining.

Taishar Manetheren
University of Caille
Posted - 2008.09.23 23:29:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 18/09/2008 06:20:25
Originally by: Howling Jinn

whats next? . . . bob members telling us theres not enough dyspro moons?


stuff

The key to Eve is that you have to earn what you get, and then keep earning it to keep it. Those 80-man dread fleets - don't you think those folks earned those ships? I know I did - a lot of mining, ratting, selling, and building. A ton of training too! Why are there 80 of them? So 80 folks agreed to get together and fight in big ol' ships? Why not get 100 others to get in some big ol' ships and fight them back for a piece of Eve, or maybe make them earn their keep on their piece?




Don't you mean you earned your isk by having the dev's give you T2 bpo's

Resipsa Loquitor
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.24 11:49:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Taishar Manetheren

Don't you mean you earned your isk by having the dev's give you T2 bpo's


Aw, you trolled the wrong bobbit. Laughing

Actually, I won my Vespa II bpo in the lottery. I still have the evemail and it is one of my more favored evemails. My favorite evemail is from when I took out a rapier with an eris in a 1 on 3 fight - how embarassing! Embarassed I do recall that the day I got the evemail was one of the most nerve-wracking days out there - had to make sure I didn't press the wrong line on the offer page to reject the bpo. And then I had to move it to another station to start manufacturing operations! I've never been more nervous traveling through Amarr than that day. Shocked Although not the best drone bpo out there, its profitability is steady and reliable. I make much higher profits from my invention network (which is really more morph/zyd/mega conversion and sale), but that bpo is definitely my crown jewel.

I'm sure that's what you were refering to, right? Rolling Eyes

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.24 14:06:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Taishar Manetheren

Don't you mean you earned your isk by having the dev's give you T2 bpo's


Aw, you trolled the wrong bobbit. Laughing

Actually, I won my Vespa II bpo in the lottery. I still have the evemail and it is one of my more favored evemails. My favorite evemail is from when I took out a rapier with an eris in a 1 on 3 fight - how embarassing! Embarassed I do recall that the day I got the evemail was one of the most nerve-wracking days out there - had to make sure I didn't press the wrong line on the offer page to reject the bpo. And then I had to move it to another station to start manufacturing operations! I've never been more nervous traveling through Amarr than that day. Shocked Although not the best drone bpo out there, its profitability is steady and reliable. I make much higher profits from my invention network (which is really more morph/zyd/mega conversion and sale), but that bpo is definitely my crown jewel.

I'm sure that's what you were refering to, right? Rolling Eyes


Yep sounds like you paid off the dev's to me.Laughing

Knawt Ongrid
Posted - 2008.09.24 17:11:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Taishar Manetheren

Don't you mean you earned your isk by having the dev's give you T2 bpo's


Aw, you trolled the wrong bobbit. Laughing

Actually, I won my Vespa II bpo in the lottery. I still have the evemail and it is one of my more favored evemails. My favorite evemail is from when I took out a rapier with an eris in a 1 on 3 fight - how embarassing! Embarassed I do recall that the day I got the evemail was one of the most nerve-wracking days out there - had to make sure I didn't press the wrong line on the offer page to reject the bpo. And then I had to move it to another station to start manufacturing operations! I've never been more nervous traveling through Amarr than that day. Shocked Although not the best drone bpo out there, its profitability is steady and reliable. I make much higher profits from my invention network (which is really more morph/zyd/mega conversion and sale), but that bpo is definitely my crown jewel.

I'm sure that's what you were refering to, right? Rolling Eyes


Which only brings up another inequity, the end of the type II lottery has created a permanent class of haves and have nots. Invention sucks, tried it (and yes this is an alt of someone who got the R&D agents going just before the type II BPO lottery was killed Evil or Very Mad

Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.09.25 01:08:00 - [73]
 

this


how about 8 new 0.0 regions with lots of stations that are not conquerable due to faction sov., just to create a bit more room.

then 8 new empire regions with no stations or faction sov., 0.5 sec status and above so people can only shoot when at war + no cap ships, and make the systems conquerable.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.25 04:27:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Knawt Ongrid


Which only brings up another inequity, the end of the type II lottery has created a permanent class of haves and have nots. Invention sucks, tried it (and yes this is an alt of someone who got the R&D agents going just before the type II BPO lottery was killed Evil or Very Mad


It's simple. If you are upset because you don't have a t2 BPO, then buy one. Become a member of the "permanent" haves.

Originally by: Asiel
this


how about 8 new 0.0 regions with lots of stations that are not conquerable due to faction sov., just to create a bit more room.

then 8 new empire regions with no stations or faction sov., 0.5 sec status and above so people can only shoot when at war + no cap ships, and make the systems conquerable.



RP wise, it doesn't make sense to have that much empire space without a controlling faction. Also I just don't see the need for more empire territory. It's quite ample as is. To be honest, I don't see the need for expanding territory except, if you wanted to game the dyspro market. 0.0 is pretty empty as is. If it weren't for how local is set up, you'd have plenty of space.


Resipsa Loquitor
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.25 04:47:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
Which only brings up another inequity, the end of the type II lottery has created a permanent class of haves and have nots. Invention sucks, tried it (and yes this is an alt of someone who got the R&D agents going just before the type II BPO lottery was killed Evil or Very Mad


Pfft! Well, there are two things to say to this:

1. Too bad - so sad. Life is unfair, and so is Eve. Buy your own t2 bpo and get in the game. People sell them for various reasons. And, there are many "artifacts" in Eve - e.g., mines, snowball launchers, Navy Vexors. T2 bpos are one of them. If you want to deal, you have to name your price.

2. If you can't make money in invention, then you didn't put the right effort into understanding your skills, markets, and production costs. You're going into business in Eve - its a hard way to make money relying on the whims of customers. And, yet, the sheer volume of inventors and the t2 price crash initially overwhelmed even the t2 bpo producers and shut many of them down.

I have to say that even though it pretty much ruined the exclusivity of my bpo and drastically reduced its (frankly) disgusting profitability, the ability to invent other items and sell them has made up and surpassed what I previously could make in the old market. Plus, invention made some of the more rare ships not only more available but much more affordable for the common Eve player - HACs, command ships, and recons. Remember what the Diemos, an absolutely ****ty HAC cost just a year ago? Invention is one of the most wealth-creating events in Eve and has expanded the economy tremendously. In fact, without the drone region to help suppress raw material prices, inflation would have been out of control. It's also created/enhanced the pure researcher role into the researcher/inventor/industrialist, where the skills are well aligned to perform all three tasks.

There is strategy to this game. What else is there to say?

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.25 22:52:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor

There is strategy to this game. What else is there to say?


Can i has cheezburger?


Oh and the Diemos is useful for NPCing. That's about it.

And no 8 MOAR empire regions without stations(WTF????) would frankly be ******ed Asiel.

Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.09.26 00:00:00 - [77]
 

no faction sov and no npc stations doesnt mean that empire dwellers cant put up any stations it just means a part of space without Cap fleets and only war and bs's can conquer a station to give people kind of a fair basis you dig ?, as a 100 noobs in ibis and covetors can do damage you know.

Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.09.26 00:44:00 - [78]
 

and no they wont be taken by big bad alliance's and pvp'rs like yourself because they are all to busy not being in empire as empire is carebear space, oh and speaking of carebears because of what kind of recourse's do big alliance's fight (while their footfolk think its all about a good fight and being tuffer then the rest) right ratting and mining rights moon mining asf, all these resourses require carebear activities to be exploited dont they ? and even pvp'rs need isk dont they ?

:)

Resipsa Loquitor
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.26 00:50:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Aalana
Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor

There is strategy to this game. What else is there to say?


Can i has cheezburger?


Would you like fries, reconstituted onion rings, or, my personal favorite, cheezy tots with that?

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.09.26 01:01:00 - [80]
 

in X tension series there were deep and desolate 0.0 sectors, with massive hostile fleets

well, it's time to open up more system with real hard opponents... current rats are an easy source of income, not a major challenge... true deep 0.0 needs very destructing NPCs with little to no bounty.

Revolution Rising
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2008.09.26 05:05:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Revolution Rising on 26/09/2008 05:09:10
Originally by: Asiel
IMO compared to when the game was released new eden is way too small, all the exploration has lead nowhere except to some deadspace bubbles,

jove space discovered way back tho still no one knows the way there.

there is no room for ninja mining, doing 0.0 missions, etc. finding a nice system to put up a pos in 0.0 to play with its feature's is almost out of the question for most players.

sure we had the drone regions like 20% extra space.

the population has increased by 250% orso in the last few years.

I vote for extended expeditions to Find our butt's some space to turn.

What do you think ?????



Definately needs to be bigger now. The sheer size of the space the alliances are now holding shows this to be true.

Make a new eden 2 and give us a frontier to explore!

Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2008.09.26 06:26:00 - [82]
 

What Eve needs to do is, "SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS".

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.26 15:34:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Asiel
no faction sov and no npc stations doesnt mean that empire dwellers cant put up any stations it just means a part of space without Cap fleets and only war and bs's can conquer a station to give people kind of a fair basis you dig ?, as a 100 noobs in ibis and covetors can do damage you know.


Have you ever actually even UNDOCKED? There are Concord in highsec.

I have no idea why I even bother try to read your terrible English.

Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.09.27 06:53:00 - [84]
 



I have no idea why I even bother try to read your terrible English.



because you are a troll thats why.

im not saying they should make the regions have the same mechanics as the rest of empire am i ?

did you ever hear of programming ?
thats how jump freighters came to be you see, programmers can add new content somehow.

btw i've lived in 0.0 from 2004 till now and i doubt that you know what you are talking about.

Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.09.27 06:59:00 - [85]
 


Can i has cheezburger?


Oh and the Diemos is useful for NPCing. That's about it.

And no 8 MOAR empire regions without stations(WTF????) would frankly be ******ed Asiel.


and then this,....???? who has bad english ?cussing and swearing in public and adding stupid remarks just because you need to act up ?

your a loser and thats why you hide behind a tri flag

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2008.09.27 11:57:00 - [86]
 

Just adding more systems is a poor solution imho. CCP should add more to the existing ones, possibly through the exploration and factional warfare systems. Escalating sites, comets, sites that restrict ship types and ship numbers, etc. The environment could be made so much more exciting, for both pve and pvp.

Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.09.29 21:36:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Asiel


I have no idea why I even bother try to read your terrible English.



because you are a troll thats why.

im not saying they should make the regions have the same mechanics as the rest of empire am i ?

did you ever hear of programming ?
thats how jump freighters came to be you see, programmers can add new content somehow.

btw i've lived in 0.0 from 2004 till now and i doubt that you know what you are talking about.



\o/ first time I've been called a troll. But for the record my wall of text response shortens to:

EIGHT more empire regions with no stations, CONCORD, belts, rats or even jumpgates isn't a particularly clever idea. So if that makes me a "troll" then I think I can live with that.

And as far as my improper usage of English it was deliberate and in the LOLcats style.

You should come to TVN so we hold hands. Er... I meenz u can haz asploding.

But on a serious note. If you would be a little bit more specific about your ideas then maybe we could get back to having a sensible discourse about the topic rather than just calling each other trollsLaughing/ idiots/noobs/blobbers/nanofgs or whatever.

/me tries to be reasonable & find a way to waste another 10 mins at work.

Max Amillion
Posted - 2008.09.30 07:09:00 - [88]
 

I've been thinking this way for ages;

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=746027&page=1#1

We definately need more space!

The arguments like the alliances will just get bigger MAY be true, but tbh it would give the other smaller alliances a chance to grow.

Space IS too crowded, and those older players will remember how great Eve was when there was more room.
Very Happy


Asiel
Caldari
The Baby Sitters
Caretakers
Posted - 2008.10.01 00:20:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Asiel on 01/10/2008 00:21:53
"EIGHT more empire regions with no stations, CONCORD, belts, rats or even jumpgates isn't a particularly clever idea. So if that makes me a "troll" then I think I can live with that."


who said this ?
what's your job ?

either way if you had'nt been using this nasty language in the 1st place, i would have not thought that the use of this language was the only reason for you to post. and thus 'earning' the title troll.

and as far as your cofusement to what im trying to say and the ideas that have been posted, i advise you to read it again in full and especially your own posts.


ps. Hi max o/ , i forgot your mains name :/



Aalana
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.10.01 14:17:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Asiel
Edited by: Asiel on 01/10/2008 00:21:53
Another bunch of drivel...



Just go back to wherever you came from. Or come to TVN or 6NJ so that I can pod you for suggesting 8 new empire regions with no CONCORD.


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