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Jiumlk Edz
Posted - 2008.09.08 04:09:00 - [1]
 

i see a lot of pve drake builds. was considering this as a build. not too pricy of a setup but packs a punch. feedback appreciated

high
7 HML II's

med
invul field II
scram
mwd////sensor booster (scan res)
web
2 LSEII's

low
2 bdu II
2 bcu II

rigs
maybe res rigs

drones
ecm light drones

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.09.08 04:24:00 - [2]
 

I'm confused as to what exactly you want this ship to do. Using HML's sacrifices a fair amount of gank in exchange for lighter fitting requirements and a longer range. Fitting a disruptor on the ship implies you're intending to get close enough to use it, meaning you throw away one of the benifits of HML's. If you intend to actually tackle HAM's are the better choice. Afterall, if you're close enough to hurt something you're close enough to tackle them. Either rejigger the fitting for HAM's or just lose the disruptor for something else.

The web is always a good choice even on a ship that isn't tackling. It's the single best hope you have against really fast ships, presuming you can bring it to bear on targets.

As far as packing a punch goes, keep in mind that a well skilled Drake pilot using damage drones and faction missiles will deliver maybe 450 - 500 DPS using HML's (and by well skilled I'm talking near perfect skills). A HAM Drake can handily deliver bigger numbers in that regard, and several BC's can potentially fit 700 or more DPS. While it's arguable that such DPS output is actually possible in most situations, the HML drake cannot and should not be considered a hard hitter for it's class.

yrknat
Posted - 2008.09.08 04:26:00 - [3]
 

7x HAM II

MWD
24km
web
LSE
2x Invul

2xBCU
PDU
DC

If you dont have perfect fitting skills drop mwd to named/t1 or switch the pdu for a rcu. depends how much you value small speed vs some more hps

Jefferson Dubois
The Walkmen
Posted - 2008.09.09 19:34:00 - [4]
 

[Drake, FW HAM Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

I have had very good luck with this.
Swap EM hardener for a Warp Disruptor 2 if you wish.

4 more days until Tech 2 HAM's

Gram Hellfire
Priory Of The Lemon
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2008.09.09 20:12:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Jefferson Dubois
[Drake, FW HAM Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

I have had very good luck with this.
Swap EM hardener for a Warp Disruptor 2 if you wish.

4 more days until Tech 2 HAM's



a point is necessary if you don't have a dedicated tackler.

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.09.09 20:32:00 - [6]
 

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
YT-8 MWD
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disrupter II
Named Stasis web

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile (Javelins in Cargo


Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

5 x light ECM drones

I've been flying a drake a long time, this is by far and away the best PVP setup I've found without going Faction. Note: this isn't an EFT setup, I use it, it works, feel free to come 1 vs 1 me if you want to try it out Twisted Evil

Lux Exterior
Corp 42
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.09.09 20:52:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Haradgrim
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
YT-8 MWD
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disrupter II
Named Stasis web

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile (Javelins in Cargo


Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

5 x light ECM drones

I've been flying a drake a long time, this is by far and away the best PVP setup I've found without going Faction. Note: this isn't an EFT setup, I use it, it works, feel free to come 1 vs 1 me if you want to try it out Twisted Evil
This really, try it brick lovers if you can stand to feel undertanked for a change.

Although I can't help thinking that EM rig is rather heavily stacked, better with another extender surely.

The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.09.10 00:44:00 - [8]
 

A much better drake pilot than me once said;

Edited by: Gypsio III on 15/11/2007 18:05:57

7x HAM II (Rage for BC and bigger, CN otherwise)
MWD, web, scram, 2x Inv II, LSE II
3x BCS II, T2 suitcase

5x hob IIs or ecm drones
Shield hardener rigs or extender rigs, depending on how rich you're feeling.

~600 DPS with decent skills (674 DPS at 3% implanted max), solid enough buffer tank. Requires AWU IV and a PG implant.

Or you can drop the tackle gear for more hardeners. Keep an extra LSE in cargo for extra tank if you find yourself playing gate/station camping games, where a MWD isn't essential.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.09.10 03:58:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 10/09/2008 04:00:48
7x HAM II

MWD II, Web, Disruptor, 2x Inv II, LSE II

3x BCS II, PDS II

3x Shield Extender and/or Resistance rigs


with a PG implant, swapping PDS for DCU is an option but it isn't always worth it. The PDS can be better in a lot of situations, as everything it does is immensely useful to a HAMDrake, though it really depends how you fly it.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.09.10 05:30:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/09/2008 05:31:00
There are only a couple of really viable Drake fits:

[Drake, HAM Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Internal Force Field Array I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5


and


[Drake, HML Sentry Tank]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Remote Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

-Liang

Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.09.10 05:43:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!


Because it lets you sit on gates with a HIC and gank people I'd say. At least that's a tank drake with a purpose. Plus, when skilled well enough you can pump out over 500 DPS from a HML Drake - something most people disregard.

Oddly enough, because my HML skills are substantially better than my HAM skills, I generally opt for HML's. The tiny boost in damage (about 10%) just isnt' worth the substantial reduction in range for the most part. And if the precison heavy missile wasn't a pile of fail there would be very little reason other than pure gank to fit HAM's.

Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.09.10 05:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!


Because you enjoy people making it back to the gate? Very Happy Obvious answer is it tanks gate guns much better than a HAM drake and locks and pops haulers in 1 volley.

The only drake I run is your first fit, except w/ a PG implant and a DC, like Cristina's.

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.09.10 05:54:00 - [13]
 

[Drake, Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari
No Trademark
Posted - 2008.09.10 06:09:00 - [14]
 

but if you want cheaper as you said instead of using the extender rigs which can double the price of the ship (15mil each i believe) fit kin/therm/therm rigs instead. like 8 mil all together for the rigs and you get better resists (or em/kin/therm depending on what you're up against)

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.09.10 06:59:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

[Drake, HML Sentry Tank]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Remote Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

-Liang

Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!


I like the second one too, remote sensor boosting our HICs. I like it even better when it drops its point for another RSB Very Happy

Lady Leila
Posted - 2008.09.10 08:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jiumlk Edz
i see a lot of pve drake builds. was considering this as a build. not too pricy of a setup but packs a punch. feedback appreciated

high
7 HML II's

med
invul field II
scram
mwd////sensor booster (scan res)
web
2 LSEII's

low
2 bdu II
2 bcu II

rigs
maybe res rigs

drones
ecm light drones


mine is similar except the low slots are like this:
1 damage control t2
2 bcu t2
1 rcu t2

with resist rigs it has :
460dps 72k ehp and a cost around 60m iski

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.09.10 09:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
I like the second one too, remote sensor boosting our HICs. I like it even better when it drops its point for another RSB Very Happy


The only problem with that is that I pirate in minnie lowsec, and those gates are honking huge. It's really not uncommon for someone to jump with someone and land 45-50km away from them.

-Liang

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.09.10 09:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cpt Branko
I like the second one too, remote sensor boosting our HICs. I like it even better when it drops its point for another RSB Very Happy


The only problem with that is that I pirate in minnie lowsec, and those gates are honking huge. It's really not uncommon for someone to jump with someone and land 45-50km away from them.

-Liang


Oh, yeah. I remember my time back there, Minmatar gates are just silly Very Happy

Caldari gates are nice and compact, most of the time it's preety easy to MWD to the guy and web him right off with a heated web.

Lars Lodar
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
Posted - 2008.09.10 10:51:00 - [19]
 

In terms of price and effectiveness, this is the only way to roll. This setup has seen hundreds of kills. The fitting is very tight, even with good skills but if you can hack it, you'll be very pleased. Just make sure you are packing both EM and Kinetic Rages and Javelins and an extra flight of Warrior IIs.


[Drake PVP HAM Gank Cheap Rigs]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Salvager I /OFFLINE (Use as Heat sink)

Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x5

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2008.09.10 10:52:00 - [20]
 

his: Ham
mids: Butter
lows: bread
rigs: crust amplifiers

drones: mustarders

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.10 11:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
stuff

-Liang

Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!


why? B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B BUFFER tank baby!

Poast Warrior
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.09.10 13:15:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Liang Nuren
stuff

-Liang

Ed: The second one has many, many variations. I like this one. Who can tell me why? YARRRR!!


why? B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B BUFFER tank baby!


E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E EXCEPT it's not a buffer tank baby =/

The 1st is considered a buffer tank, the 2nd is considered a passive tank. The latter has mods/rigs specifically to boost shield regen.


 

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