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Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:42:00 - [1]
 

Well i was thinking about the bellicose and how to use it in gangs really and these are some of my ideas. [keep in mind that i dont have access to my EFT atm so fits might not be exact in that they fit]


Poor minmatar mans blackbird

ECM Bellicose:

Highs: 3 x Heavy Missile launcher 2 x hmm Small Arties maybe?

Meds: 1 x MWD T1 3 x Named Racial Jammer

Lows: 1 x DCU T1 2 x SDA

Drones: 3 x Med ECM 2 x Light ECM

Rigs: none ffs

Idea: Keep at long range and jam fit Racial jammers and bring jammers in cargo if you spot a specific target to go against. Low skill reqs and cheap.

TD:ing ECM

Highs: Sames as above

Meds: 1 x MWD 2 x TD w/tracking speed 1 x TD w/optimal disrupting

Lows: 1 x DCU 2 x CPR if needed

Drones: TD:ing drones.

Keep at distant and track disrupt have your stabber mates orbit it.


And then something completely else:

Highs:4 x 425mm AC:s 2 x HAM:s
Meds:1 x 10 MN AB 1 x Warp Disruptor 2 x Webber (might be 3 x webber after patch in gangs to give that stand still ffs need)
Lows:1 x DCU 2 x Gyro
Drones: 3 x Hammerhead I's 2 x Hobos


Well keywords are: Low sp, versatility and "who the hells primaries a bellicose?".

??



AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:43:00 - [2]
 

Needs more PG/CPU to be okay.

Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: AstroPhobic
Needs more PG/CPU to be okay.


If you had that on it how whould you fit it?

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:46:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Burn Mac
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Needs more PG/CPU to be okay.


If you had that on it how whould you fit it?


HAMs/AC, MWD/LSE/TP/24km, speed/bcus and hammers

Dristra
Amarr
Idle Haven
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:50:00 - [5]
 

Maybe someone feels that minmatar needs some more ew :P

Tp's are horrible, they do nothing really, so new mini ew anyone?

Annowyn
Ammatar.
Posted - 2008.09.07 20:54:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Dristra
Maybe someone feels that minmatar needs some more ew :P

Tp's are horrible, they do nothing really, so new mini ew anyone?


I'm thinking that after the speed nerf (webs in particular) the TP bonus will become much more appreciated. Or not.

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.09.07 21:05:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: AstroPhobic on 07/09/2008 21:05:49
[Bellicose, Theo]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Target Painter II
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile

Projectile Ambit Extension I
Auxiliary Thrusters I
Auxiliary Thrusters I

Hammerhead II x4


Over by 125 PG, 40 CPU. Max skills.

Edit: 335 DPS. 3.15k/s

6Bagheera9
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.09.07 21:34:00 - [8]
 

Its a broken ship, just deal with it.

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2008.09.07 21:48:00 - [9]
 

did anyone ever try that fit garmon used when he killed a rapier using a bellicose? i can't find what vid it was in, just know it had 10k or more armor, so slave set + 1600mm plate, rest i can't remember...


that said, i think bellicose could need a bit more fitting (as do the omen) and maybe change the target painter bonus to a web range bonus (not as large as the recon one)? or maybe make it have both target paint and web bonuses and nothing else?

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.09.07 22:29:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/09/2008 22:57:41
Originally by: adriaans
did anyone ever try that fit garmon used when he killed a rapier using a bellicose? i can't find what vid it was in, just know it had 10k or more armor, so slave set + 1600mm plate, rest i can't remember...


He distinctly said he had HG slaves on his KB. It's probably quite safe to assume it was rigged, but I didn't see the loss on KB so no idea on fittings.



Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2008.09.07 23:13:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dristra
Maybe someone feels that minmatar needs some more ew :P

Tp's are horrible, they do nothing really, so new mini ew anyone?


Target painters increase the chance to hit by up to 20%. They are most effective up to optimal- hence a boon to long range weapons. TP + Arty = a decent weapon system. This isn't right imo, but that's how it is right now. I've flown arty boats of all sized w/o a TP. Blah. With a TP they actually hold their own - I notice a large uptick in the damage dealt.

For the record, any increase in signature = a better chance to be hit. This is true even if you have small guns shooting at a large ship. The biggest myth out there is that it only helps large ships shoot at smaller ones. Not true. Play with the tracking guide if you want proof.

As for the Bellicose - it's spethial. You need quite a few skills up to fly it correctly. By that time the question becomes, "why bother?" I got briefly excited when the drone bandwidth changes came out. Nothing was done with the Bellicose as the Minmatar cruiser drone boat, however. For a TP boost go with the vigil or even the hyena.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.09.08 00:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zarnak Wulf

For the record, any increase in signature = a better chance to be hit. This is true even if you have small guns shooting at a large ship.



True, but the DPS differences are measured in less then a percentage really. Not worth the effort. The best turret DPS you can possibly do is 103% of nominal. A module which will boost me from 99->100% could be replaced by, well, anything else really.

When hitting starts giving you noticeable issues (or firing missiles on smaller targets), of course, a TP is a valid module.

Max Warg
Caldari
Chosen Path
Posted - 2008.09.08 01:09:00 - [13]
 

It's fine the way it is. Many a inty pilot has fallen to me in this ship. Say what you want, maybe they were stupid or maybe the Belicose is just under estimated in that capacity. Not all ships are Pawn mobiles, leave it be.. Wink

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2008.09.08 02:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko

True, but the DPS differences are measured in less then a percentage really. Not worth the effort. The best turret DPS you can possibly do is 103% of nominal. A module which will boost me from 99->100% could be replaced by, well, anything else really.

When hitting starts giving you noticeable issues (or firing missiles on smaller targets), of course, a TP is a valid module.



Yeah...well.... I was wondering if anyone was going to call me out on the small guns vs. large target. You're right it as it does only increase it by less then a percentage point. I did want to make the point though. Generally a bellicose that target paints a small ship is going to help everyone in the group hit that target MUCH better. Cruiser and BS sized ships will benefit if that same Bellicose TP's a Cruiser sized ship. Frigate vessels will get a marginal boost-- less then a percentage point as you pointed out. If the Bellicose paints a BS...other BS's will get the bonus. Small ships will hit a fraction better. Medium ships will likewise not notice a boost. The thing to point out though is that the TP helps everyone in the group AND it's most noticeable if your guns' signature matches that of the target OR the target is smaller then your gun's sig. Small vs small = worthwhile. Medium vs medium or small = worthwhile. Large vs everything = worthwhile. Wink

Tefkros
The Bold and the Beautiful
Posted - 2008.09.08 06:04:00 - [15]
 

Bellicose is an awesome ship.
But I never saw a proper fit on Ships and Modules, so I just sit back and laugh waiting for the day someone realizes what this ship can do.

And to the bitter posters that hate their race and cry boost all the time...
You are no different than someone who calls women *****es cause he can't get a date.

Bitter men never get any chicks.




Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.09.08 08:12:00 - [16]
 

Bellicose is one of my favorite ships. I think it is better than the Stabber and the extra midslot is nice.

As for the ship fits in the OP, why don't you use Caracals instead? More mids, and you seem to be missile heavy.

Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.09.08 09:00:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Max Warg
It's fine the way it is. Many a inty pilot has fallen to me in this ship. Say what you want, maybe they were stupid or maybe the Belicose is just under estimated in that capacity. Not all ships are Pawn mobiles, leave it be.. Wink


Gief inty catcher setup plx. :D

Ruciza
Minmatar
The Feminists
Posted - 2008.09.08 09:14:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Ruciza on 08/09/2008 09:16:44
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
They are most effective up to optimal- hence a boon to long range weapons. TP + Arty = a decent weapon system. This isn't right imo, but that's how it is right now. I've flown arty boats of all sized w/o a TP. Blah. With a TP they actually hold their own - I notice a large uptick in the damage dealt.

For the record, any increase in signature = a better chance to be hit. This is true even if you have small guns shooting at a large ship. The biggest myth out there is that it only helps large ships shoot at smaller ones. Not true. Play with the tracking guide if you want proof.

As for the Bellicose - it's spethial. You need quite a few skills up to fly it correctly. By that time the question becomes, "why bother?"


This is all WAD. And it works for any weapon, not only for artillery, even if it is meant to be used for arty. As I said elsewhere, in many situations painters help your tracking more than webs, because you can continue to move. The Bellicose can triple everybody's tracking, on top of personal tracking computers/links. End of discussion.

In addition, blaster whiners should take notice.

Tefkros
The Bold and the Beautiful
Posted - 2008.09.08 14:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Burn Mac
Gief inty catcher setup plx. :D


When you stop speaking like ******s, maybe your brain will start thinking for itself. It's easier than it sounds, trust me.


 

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