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Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:42:00 - [1]
 

is it cold or harsh that failed suicide ganking gets rewarded?


I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...


and that even a FAILED suicide ganking attempt (in which the target survives) pays insurance which covers the cost of almost everything (no, since the ship survives, you dont lose too much sec status..)


I mean, Eve is a cold, harsh place right? =P

it shouldnt reward failure =P

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:45:00 - [2]
 

The failed ganker still gets a security hit.

It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:48:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 06/08/2008 19:49:03
Originally by: Banana Torres
The failed ganker still gets a security hit.

It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too.



Originally by: Mika Meroko

and that even a FAILED suicide ganking attempt (in which the target survives) pays insurance which covers the cost of almost everything (no, since the ship survives, you dont lose too much sec status..)


I mean, Eve is a cold, harsh place right? =P

it shouldnt reward failure =P


edit: highlighted for those who fail at reading..

you seen the security loss on a failed gank?... you only take the loss from aggressing...


no addition losses from destroying other ships...

again, flame when you got amno.. please... this is weak =P

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:50:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 06/08/2008 19:51:17
Congrats on bringing up the same moot point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads.

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:51:00 - [5]
 

here's my impression of the OP:

/wrists /wrists /wrists

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 19:52:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Congrats on bringing up the same mute point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads.



well, most of those use the same point to whine about how this is gonna KILL suicide ganking (when is not)... and how eve should be a dark and cruel place...

=P

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:00:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko
again, flame when you got amno..

Ok, I don't give a **** about suicide ganking.

What I give **** about is little boys who, cause their mommy tells them that they are special, think that the world needs to hear them. There are several threads on the front page about suicide ganging, both for and against.

But did you post in one of those, oh noes, you are too important and had to create yet another redundant thread.

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko

I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...



You do realize that there is a cost for insurance right?

Unless you are exceptionally lucky (like that one time where christmas and thanksgiving were on the same day...) you will never make profit from just blowing your own ship up. But hey if you actually find a lot of those super cheap ships drop me a line and i'll get rich finally.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:04:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 06/08/2008 20:07:44
Originally by: Myra2007
Originally by: Mika Meroko

I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...



You do realize that there is a cost for insurance right?

Unless you are exceptionally lucky (like that one time where christmas and thanksgiving were on the same day...) you will never make profit from just blowing your own ship up. But hey if you actually find a lot of those super cheap ships drop me a line and i'll get rich finally.



Ravens + platinum

75 to 80 mill for the ship
32 mill for insurance
pays to around 108 million

depends on where you buy them =P


edit: granted, fittings might not be covered.. but T1 is just....

Apostrophe Man
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:05:00 - [10]
 

you know what I think shouldn't be rewarded?

Using noob corp alts in 0.0.

Just throwing this out there - as long as we're talking about standings loss, when you kill a noob corp alt in a shuttle in 0.0, you don't get a concord standing loss, but whatever noob school the character belongs to, and its faction, think less of you for killing one of their members.

After enough noob corp alts come scouting through your space, only to be sent back to their home station on the express, you probably won't be able to go into any high sec at all, because the faction's police will disapprove of you.

Right?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:08:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2008 20:09:01
Originally by: Mika Meroko
I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...

The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships.

P.S. If you DO find such ships, you're better off buying, insuring and getting it blown up, instead of even bothering with suicide ganking.


Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Apostrophe Man
you know what I think shouldn't be rewarded?

Using noob corp alts in 0.0.

Just throwing this out there - as long as we're talking about standings loss, when you kill a noob corp alt in a shuttle in 0.0, you don't get a concord standing loss, but whatever noob school the character belongs to, and its faction, think less of you for killing one of their members.

After enough noob corp alts come scouting through your space, only to be sent back to their home station on the express, you probably won't be able to go into any high sec at all, because the faction's police will disapprove of you.

Right?



that works, since well, no one should know what goes on in 0.0 anyways. so yeah, shouldnt lose standings on it.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 06/08/2008 20:11:31

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mika Meroko
I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...

Misinformed, or an idiot ? YOU choose.
The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships.




okay, I just checked it just now, I take it back,in ours, they are avg on 80 mill per ship


so, thats a 5 mill isk loss =p


edit: hmmm, guess I should sell the BSes I stocked up prior to trinity....

and yeah, Akita shown me =P I am out pwnted!!!

Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:10:00 - [14]
 

Enough with the forum alt posters for crying out loud!

That is all.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:43:00 - [15]
 

omg for those who dont see what the OP is talking about

she is saying since EVE is a cold harsh world right? got it?

when you ATTEMPT to suicide kill someone, but dont kill them you dont get to much of a sec hit. got it?

she is saying that since you suck at suicide killing somone, you should be punished for it, IE, still take a big sec hit

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:51:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/08/2008 20:57:56
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/08/2008 20:56:05
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2008 20:09:01
Originally by: Mika Meroko
I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...

The DIFFERENCE between platinum payout and platinum premium ISN'T above market price of ships.

P.S. If you DO find such ships, you're better off buying, insuring and getting it blown up, instead of even bothering with suicide ganking.





Sadly, you can find them.

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
omg for those who dont see what the OP is talking about

she is saying since EVE is a cold harsh world right? got it?

when you ATTEMPT to suicide kill someone, but dont kill them you dont get to much of a sec hit. got it?

she is saying that since you suck at suicide killing somone, you should be punished for it, IE, still take a big sec hit


No, she say that if you are so incompetent to bungle a suicide gank the insurance should not subsidize you giving back to you 90% of your suicide gank expenses.

A position that I support.



And to cite the immortal words of Gamesguy:

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.06 20:53:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Congrats on bringing up the same mute point 5,000 other people did in the already existing threads.



well, most of those use the same point to whine about how this is gonna KILL suicide ganking (when is not)... and how eve should be a dark and cruel place...

=P


OK cool, you've made your point. And now tell us how you think EvE should be cold and harsh to AFKers.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.08.06 21:03:00 - [18]
 

You can still be suicide ganked for profit by carrying more than 25 mil in an untanked T1 hauler. I think that's still pretty harsh.

Vitrael
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.08.06 21:19:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko
I mean, we all know insurance is wayyyy above market price on alot of the ships...

But not above the price of the ship + the insurance, otherwise people would just buy ships, insure them, and self destruct outside of Jita 4-4 all day.

Suicide ganking is punished now, and will be punished worse in the near future.

Thorradin
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.06 23:31:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Banana Torres
The failed ganker still gets a security hit.

It is a pity that those that fail at posting don't get one too.



Aggression sec hits can be rebuilt in very little time and are signifigantly smaller than the ship destruction hit.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.07 00:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul

No, she say that if you are so incompetent to bungle a suicide gank the insurance should not subsidize you giving back to you 90% of your suicide gank expenses.

A position that I support.


And to cite the immortal words of Gamesguy:




And herein lies the problem.

Suicide ganking was too easy, and subsudised too much for failure.

So what did they finely tune recieving back 90% of your ships value to?

hmmmm.... hurrrr.... oh yes I remember now...

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