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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.08.07 11:58:00 - [61]
 

I'd not mind clarification, but overall I'm seeing a lot of classic whining when particular changes affect particular people. The OP is particularly over-the-top in classic forum style, thrashing around as if the world is coming to an end.

After these changes, EVE will still be a PvP game; it will still be as much of a sandbox as it was a year ago (you do know what a sandbox means right? that is: non-linear with no end-game, lets you do whatever you want), and given the current subscriber rate, I'd say we can still call it a niche game.

What precisely has changed? The nano changes change PvP; I don't think you can argue it changes it to non-PvP. The suiciding changes only affect people in high-sec anyway, and if you're any kind of proper pirate, you'll already be at -10. That was, nay is, the goal of many a jolly-roger and a mark of someone to take seriously.

In fact, if you'd read the blog, the penalty for fighting in low-sec is lowering! How is this a 'nerf', for god's sake?

So, seriously, what's changing? What is the big deal? What, pray tell, is causing the world to come crashing down and care-a-lot stars to explode in null-sec? So far I've missed this major change from EVE to Hello Kitty.

Pirates have always had challenges. They get barred from high-sec, they get sentry gun fire, they get neutrals able to attack them without gaining GCC (I'm talking worst case here) - CCP clearly never intended piracy to be easy. You're still here after all those changes which were in long before I even joined the game, and yet this pretty minor suicide change suddenly has you throwing your toys out the pram? Bizarre.

Sorted
DEATH'S LEGION
Posted - 2008.08.07 12:12:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

In fact, if you'd read the blog, the penalty for fighting in low-sec is lowering! How is this a 'nerf', for god's sake?




What would the Real -10 Pirates care?

You havent got a clue.

immunity . a PVP free zone in ihighsec (unl;ess you sign up for pvp in trhe faction ware GO GO PVP FLAG ON BUTAN)

Pheonix Kanan
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.08.07 12:32:00 - [63]
 

I highly doubt CCP will even respond. It's rather obvious they don't really care at all.

Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.07 13:09:00 - [64]
 

I share OP's opinion. Would be nice to know where this is all going.

T536
New European Regiment
Southern Cross Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.07 13:18:00 - [65]
 

Agree with OP

The ChurchWarden
Posted - 2008.08.07 13:39:00 - [66]
 

I'd like to paint you a picture. There is a game, it has changes and the maker of this game has requests for theirs reasons or demands for reconsideration all the time... do they

A) Respond to a 3 page thread on the forums

OR

B) Respond via devblog like they should

As for the direction of the game I'd like to point out several things as a 0.0 ratter on one account and an carebear on this one. I like pvp due to carebearness I can afford to have a 10 stack of Abaddon's in tash just take them out whenever to the wide open spaces of the world. There's a whole lot of gate camps and blobs infact I've never lost an Abaddon to less then 5 people ganging up on me... ever. So I fully support some mixing of the pot which is what CCP really seems to be doing... Oh and as a side note if you ever watch a devblog or a fanfest video the devs are probably the guys in nano's and gankboats roaming around lowsec laughing at the tears of their victims so I doubt they're carebears.

Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.07 13:58:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: The ChurchWarden
I'd like to paint you a picture. There is a game, it has changes and the maker of this game has requests for theirs reasons or demands for reconsideration all the time... do they

A) Respond to a 3 page thread on the forums

OR

B) Respond via devblog like they should


That's all we ask for. Exactly the point of this thread. Glad you identified it. Oh wai...

Originally by: The ChurchWarden

As for the direction of the game I'd like to point out several things as a 0.0 ratter on one account and an carebear on this one. I like pvp due to carebearness I can afford to have a 10 stack of Abaddon's in tash just take them out whenever to the wide open spaces of the world. There's a whole lot of gate camps and blobs infact I've never lost an Abaddon to less then 5 people ganging up on me... ever. So I fully support some mixing of the pot which is what CCP really seems to be doing... Oh and as a side note if you ever watch a devblog or a fanfest video the devs are probably the guys in nano's and gankboats roaming around lowsec laughing at the tears of their victims so I doubt they're carebears.


You ever saw CCP Fear or CCP Noxchcggsd or whatever his name is at the fan fest ganking carebears? I haven't. Before, Oveur would give us a dev blog full of "adapt of die n00b" where it was clear that CCP's vision still was a game that was harsh and unforgiving for lazy people. Recently Oveur has been replaced by no-name devs with no past record who suddenly speak of war decs being akin to griefing, and people having no way to avoid suicide ganks.

Times have changed. The devs have changed. Has the vision changed? That's what we're asking here.

Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.07 17:16:00 - [68]
 

Wow, you guys are really going to freak out when they make low-sec safer than no sec.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.07 18:55:00 - [69]
 

Those who have read my posts over the last 2 years will know that I have always been ready to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. I have always argued against hysterical abuse, been strongly supportive of the dev's right to guide the game according to their vision, been nothing but orthodox in my advocacy of personal responsibility, consequences for actions, risk vs reward: I loved what EvE stood for and defended that dogma passionately.

Call me a fanboy if you will: I played the game, loved it, spread the word, got many friends to subscribe, started additional accounts, enjoyed winning, survived losing, helped new players, ganked old players, pirated, fought wars, mined, missioned, ratted, rose from the depths of PvP ineptness to the dizzy heights of PvP mediocrity, made plans for the long term - loved the possibility of making meaningful plans for a meaningful long term. By any meaningful measure, I have contributed a lot to this game.

Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.

Nekopyat
Posted - 2008.08.07 19:36:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Nekopyat on 07/08/2008 19:36:58
Originally by: Malcanis

Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.


Regardless of differing opinions, balancing, and how one feels about any particular direction, I utterly agree with this statement.

EvE is a long investment game. The CCP PR machine (if not devs, then at least some offical rep) should be involved in these kind of questions. A game like this lives or dies based off player retention, and uncertainty is NEVER good for such things. 9 time out of 10 even if people don't like the answer they get it is still a better situation then no answer or some vauge non-answer.

(for referenc, I work at a game company and have found time and time again that giving customers honest bad news about the dirrection things are going always goes over far better then keeping them in the dark, even if the end changes are what they wanted in the first place.)

Aiden Bismuth
Gallente
Voortrekkers
Posted - 2008.08.08 07:48:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Malcanis

Yeah never mind all the inference, interpretation and exegesis. What about a clear, unambiguous statement that we can refer to when making plans or giving advice or deciding whether we want to stay?



None of that is required for you to make your decision. It's simple, if you enjoy playing Eve, then stay. If you don't, then leave. It's VERY simple and requires no outside input.


Then GTFO of this thread kthxplz



Well, I was inclined to support this thread, the getting an idea of the direction of the game from CCP part, not the pirates want more noob bait part, until Ki An posted this.

People are entitled to their opinions, such is life, get used to it.

Sorry, now NOT SUPPORTED!

ab

Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.08 08:55:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Aiden Bismuth
Well, I was inclined to support this thread, the getting an idea of the direction of the game from CCP part, not the pirates want more noob bait part, until Ki An posted this.

People are entitled to their opinions, such is life, get used to it.

Sorry, now NOT SUPPORTED!

ab


Are you 12 years old by any chance?

Tiphia Astrius
Posted - 2008.08.10 13:33:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Tiphia Astrius on 10/08/2008 13:35:37
I'd like to see a response, just because it'd cut down on the arguments.

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade

Posted - 2008.08.10 13:36:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/08/2008 14:01:53
Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/08/2008 13:38:49
Originally by: Sorted
immunity . a PVP free zone in ihighsec (unl;ess you sign up for pvp in trhe faction ware GO GO PVP FLAG ON BUTAN)

Why does someone with corp name low-sec liberators want a PvP-free zone in EVE? Indeed why would we want one at all? Or am I missing your point somewhere in that argument lacking any depth...

By lowering the penalty for fighting in low-sec, it takes longer to get to -5, meaning a starting pirate can spend longer having access to high-sec. Explain to me please how this makes a pirate's life harder?
Originally by: Malcanis
Without false pride, I say that I, and those like me, do deserve at least a clear, honest statement of where this game is going and what the devs' vision of the next couple of years is.

Even though I've disagreed with you on occasion, I can support that notion. Nothing wrong with more info. However, I'd say we all deserve the response, not just those who have been in the game a long time. After all, from a business perspective, CCP has already had your money. It's us newer players they want to keep tempting. So yes, and since I forgot in my previous post to do so, I support the notion, even with Ki An's rather unpleasant way of handling it.

Edit: I'd suggest however having a good read of this post, just as a potential different spin on things. Whether you agree or not, I think it does give a hint as to where CCP might be coming from.


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