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Architecture
MASS
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:31:00 - [1]
 

Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.

I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...

Liisa
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:33:00 - [2]
 

You own the loot inside the wreck.

You do not own the wreck itself.

Not hard to understand.

Ne0SHNIK
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:35:00 - [3]
 

at least that makes mission running a bit more multiplayer. Besides, ninja-salvaging is a profession for some players. It requires a lot more skill than mission running in the first place. Why destroy that profession?
And I am a hardcore carebare mission runner myself and not a ninja-salvager.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.


It's not broken, and thus, doesn't need to be fixed.

Originally by: Architecture
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?


They do. It's called 'loot'. The material in the wreck is fair game, and is a negligible profit item.

Originally by: Architecture
otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...


Can I have your stuff?

Originally by: Architecture
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.


Good for you. Stand by your convictions.

Originally by: Architecture
CCP do something Please. Thanks.


I agree. CCP should put an end to your whining.

Cool

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:01:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/07/2008 17:01:47
Run missions in lowsec -> Guard your wrecks all you want. Besides, even if you could shoot salvagers...you'd have to be REALLY, REALLY stupid to actually do it.

Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:02:00 - [6]
 

Like they say: mission runners tears fuel my ship Twisted Evil
Its not a bug, its a feature (c) Microsoft Wink

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:04:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Akuma Tsukai
Like they say: mission runners tears fuel my ship Twisted Evil


That sounds vaguely familiar... Regardless, I approve of the above product and/or service.

Cool

Tsiros
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:25:00 - [8]
 

this game should not turn into ER where everything is ''clean and clear'' from bad things.

Architecture
MASS
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.


It's not broken, and thus, doesn't need to be fixed.

Originally by: Architecture
I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?


They do. It's called 'loot'. The material in the wreck is fair game, and is a negligible profit item.

Originally by: Architecture
otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...


Can I have your stuff?

Originally by: Architecture
regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.


Good for you. Stand by your convictions.

Originally by: Architecture
CCP do something Please. Thanks.


I agree. CCP should put an end to your whining.

Cool



tbh they should do something with your old style sentences

your stuff... whining...etc is so silly. and not in your dream lol

anyway thanks for your response as i wish ya good luck next time Razz

Architecture
MASS
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/07/2008 17:01:47
Run missions in lowsec -> Guard your wrecks all you want. Besides, even if you could shoot salvagers...you'd have to be REALLY, REALLY stupid to actually do it.


ist the same with Looters?

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Architecture
tbh they should do something with your old style sentences


Before speaking out against my sentence structure, perhaps you'd like to take a class in English as a Second Language.

Pot, meet kettle.

Originally by: Architecture
your stuff... whining...etc is so silly. and not in your dream lol


What in God's name does this even mean?

Question

Originally by: Architecture
anyway thanks for your response as i wish ya good luck next time Razz


Seek help.

Kotami
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ne0SHNIK
Besides, ninja-salvaging is a profession for some players. It requires a lot more skill than mission running in the first place.


LOL

Astrometrics? Check.
Science? Check.
Salvaging? Check.
No conscience? Check.

GTG!

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:00:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kotami
LOL

Astrometrics? Check.
Science? Check.
Salvaging? Check.
No conscience? Check.

GTG!


Oh yes, Mission Running is so much more skill intensive...

Ship? Check.
Picked up Mission from Agent? Check.
F1-F7 pressed? Check.
Doritos and Pop? Check.
Hand down pants? Check.

GTG!

Twisted Evil

Fuhshizzle
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:07:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Fuhshizzle on 28/07/2008 18:08:02
You guys are arguing two different types of skills. It takes very little SP (comparatively) to salvage someones L4 mission, and quite alot of SP to effectively run L4s.

It takes very little actual skill to effectively run L4's, while it 'initially' takes some skill to salvage someone's L4 mission. But after figuring out how to do it, its just pretty stinking easy.

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:20:00 - [15]
 


Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:22:00 - [16]
 


Quote:
ist the same with Looters?


Why yes, yes it is. Many mission runners have been popped because they stupidly decided to engage someone looting their mission. In fact, I'm planning to get together a gankship and start doing just that.

Lady Aja
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:23:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.

I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...


Nothing wrong with salvaging so....

Get a corp mate of "lesser" skills to salvage and loot for you. the game is not bugged it is ok as far as salvage goes.

If this is a problem please follow the next set of instructions..

Buy 15 trillion matches , 25 tonnes of glue, 56 acres on lush valley lands, then BUILD a bridge and get over it. it aint going to be changed ffs!

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.

I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...


Get A Clue.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.


So you make another thread asking for a change in game mechanics in the wrong forum. It is working the way it is intended CCP needs to fix nothing.


Originally by: Architecture


I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...



You have it all wrong it is working as intended.



Slade

Velocity Prime
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:22:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Velocity Prime on 28/07/2008 21:26:27
Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.

I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...


I don't think the folks at CCP don't see it your way. See Mitnal's post in C&P. The sticky, Crime and Punishment Resources thread. All the way on the bottom you will find the Ninja Salvager's guide. Since Mitnal stickied the thread, I might go as far as to say that salvaging is working as intended.

See also this thread:
"Also, this change has nothing to do with salvaging rights themselves as they remain untouched. Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit."

Now tell me where you run missions out of so I can come drink up some of those sweet, sweet tears.

Twisted Evil

Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
Posted - 2008.07.28 22:20:00 - [21]
 

Don't worry, if CCP makes salvaging flaggable, it's just going to be like can flipping. As in there will be MANY MORE looters or salvagers who come into your mission looking for a fight, and you end up dead. Then you will proceed to run to the forums and ask WHY!?!?!? did CCP make salvaging flaggable.

Brianna Wyvernsbane
Green Chile Holdings
Posted - 2008.07.29 00:32:00 - [22]
 

i for one, could care less.

do i ninja salvage?
yes, and love it.

would i stop if it flagged me?
no, i for one would love to bag a couple CNR's and that oh-so-sweet faction gear.

alisandent
Amarr
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:19:00 - [23]
 

I wouldn't mind it if they made salvaging flaggable. As long as I get to see what I'm going to salvage before I begin. I'd just as soon not get flagged for some crappy salvage.

JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.29 02:21:00 - [24]
 

/me agrees with above post. ^

Sigras
Gallente
Conglomo
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:25:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Liisa
You own the loot inside the wreck.

You do not own the wreck itself.

Not hard to understand.


why is it then that if someone destroys one of the wrecks that i made they get concorded? if its not really mine then why does it matter?

Lady Aja
Posted - 2008.07.29 07:11:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: JordanParey
/me agrees with above post. ^


to stop *******s like me from shooting youre wrecks to **** you off lmao.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.07.29 17:24:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
to stop *******s like me from shooting youre wrecks to **** you off lmao.


What you don't realize, is the amount of Corp chatter watching a Mission Runner shooting their potential revenue generates. Sure, we're flying around salvaging what we can, but when you start shooting the wrecks, I make sure to stick around until every single one of them is gone.

Then, I try and calculate how much ISK you just lost, and how much irritation you think you've caused me.

We'd actually appreciate it even more if, while blowing up the wrecks, you could state in local exactly how angry or frustrated you think we are... ...because that only makes us laugh louder.

Twisted Evil

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.29 18:34:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Major Stallion on 29/07/2008 18:35:55
Originally by: Architecture
Since there is many Topics talking about such problem on this forums, Its realy wierd that CCP didnt fix it yet.

I would like to refresh this subject again and the question is, why dont you (CCP) allow me to defend my self and what i've earned by my own at least?? just like,, how do you treat who loot my own wrecks or mission wrecks as a crime and thn i have the right to kill'em Let me defend my self against who salvages my wrecks too. otherwise this game getting sucks day by day...

is whatever inside the wrecks shouldn't be looted by others while the wrecks its self could be public thing so others can salvage it? how come? i do kill NPCs alone than everybody can salvage my wrecks?? huh!! lets stop joking Please and treat with this problem seriously.

regardless that i can waste other ppl's time and wrecks the same way too. but i wouldn't like to do such thing with people cause i dont like it when such thing happens to me.

CCP do something Please. Thanks

sincerely...


I'm sorry I've sat here and read far too many of these topics, sat idly by and said nothing. You carebears are CRYING for wreck salvaging to cause an aggro flag so you can shoot said thief.

I'm all for this, but only if you promise not to come to this forum and **** it up with "omg the salvage thief came back in a bigger ship after I aggrod him and ****d me" threads...deal?

Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
Posted - 2008.07.29 19:01:00 - [29]
 

CCP's official response as to "why" this is allowed? IN the words of GM Faulchu:

Quote:

This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.


Its junk. Since it isn't "worth" anything, concord won't help you protect it.

Mankirks Wife
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:56:00 - [30]
 

I've found that the old mantra "If you can't beam 'em, join 'em" is very much applicable to most of the things people whine incessantly about in Eve.


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