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Murtala
Caldari
Mushin Market
Posted - 2008.07.26 15:32:00 - [1]
 

I see a lot of arguments over the definition of allies versus pets. The GBC is considered a collect of pets while the BoB leadership insists they are allies. PL openly rents space in Fountain to renters and class them as pets. The NC claim they are all allied to each other and have no pets. Goons just gave a pet corp 5 days to leave its space.

Regardless of the spin and definition the leaders place on their friends, let’s all accept that to survive in modern 0.0 space you need numbers and unless you are Goons with 5000 members alone, you will be outnumbered without friends.

So you got friends, now, are these friends “allies” or “pets”.

Well in my opinion, if your friendly alliance is weak, small and relies on the larger alliance for its very existence, then, it is a pet.

If the friendly alliance is active and strong and financially viable in its own right, then such alliances can be classed as allies.

If the larger alliance decides to reset the pet alliance to neutral, then the pet alliance should be able to survive on its own, however unfortunately a true pet alliance will collapse after a reset.

While COAD and the fail alliance may blame the reset for the pet alliances, collapse, in my opinion, the blame lies with the leaders and members of the pet alliance for not being able to look after itself. The larger alliance, regardless of it being BOB or Goons are only obliged to look after themselves and if a relationship in not beneficial to them, Hasta la vista babe.

I hope this clears things up,

Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
Posted - 2008.07.26 15:56:00 - [2]
 

Its you, you are the pet

mynnna
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:00:00 - [3]
 

Uh, if you sit around leeching off your benefactor's space (and pay for the privilege), you are a pet. If you are capable of deploying alongside your benefactor, such as in the case of some GBC members, you are an ally.

On the other hand, if you both deploy alongside your benefactor and pay to use their space, then I guess you're an allied pet? Laughing

Red Moon
Minmatar
Noob Zone Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:25:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: mynnna
Uh, if you sit around leeching off your benefactor's space (and pay for the privilege), you are a pet. If you are capable of deploying alongside your benefactor, such as in the case of some GBC members, you are an ally.

On the other hand, if you both deploy alongside your benefactor and pay to use their space, then I guess you're an allied pet? Laughing


OMG Laughing OMG.... teh sky is falling
A good goon post Laughing

this so made my day... thank you :)

Danton Marcellus
Gallente
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:34:00 - [5]
 

The term 'pet' is for mental midgets. They're either subjects or vassals, protectorates or autonomous enclaves.

I guess the cool kids don't want to let go of their WoW terminology. Wink

Onchas Erivvia
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: mynnna
Uh, if you sit around leeching off your benefactor's space (and pay for the privilege), you are a pet. If you are capable of deploying alongside your benefactor, such as in the case of some GBC members, you are an ally.

On the other hand, if you both deploy alongside your benefactor and pay to use their space, then I guess you're an allied pet? Laughing


You're going to get booted out of Goon soon, you realize that, right?

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.26 16:56:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: mynnna
Uh, if you sit around leeching off your benefactor's space (and pay for the privilege), you are a pet. If you are capable of deploying alongside your benefactor, such as in the case of some GBC members, you are an ally.


Thread over.

Kai Zion
Amarr
Elysium Wing
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:10:00 - [8]
 

As I see it, there's pets, allies and business partners.

Of course, nobody ever acknowledges the existence of a third one, it doesn't make for good propaganda.

Nightsabre
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:43:00 - [9]
 

Jump

Pets = how high?
Allies = why?

Veldya
Caldari
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.07.26 17:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Nightsabre
Jump

Pets = how high?
Allies = why?


More like...

Pets = will I lose farming rights if I don't?
Allies = what is in it for me?

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 26/07/2008 18:04:48
Originally by: Nightsabre
Jump

Pets = :flops on the floor in a completely failed attempt at jumping, banging their head on the wall and dying from a massive brain hemorrhage:
Allies = :jumps:


i prefer the term MINIONS though! YARRRR!!

Hillary Lips
Caldari
Three Rings
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:18:00 - [12]
 

Does it really matter, its just a game. Not like you need to have a clear definition for legal purposes (You honor I am not a pet by definition so I demand my free ibis as stated in the constitution)

The only purpose of the word pet is to **** people off that think they are better than they are and take this game to seriously

Dirtball
Caldari
PinK Tac0 ReasearcH
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Hillary Lips

The only purpose of the word pet is to **** people off that think they are better than they are


I think you got it right.

Karasuma Akane
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.07.27 02:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Murtala
Well in my opinion, if your friendly alliance is weak, small and relies on the larger alliance for its very existence, then, it is a pet.

If the friendly alliance is active and strong and financially viable in its own right, then such alliances can be classed as allies.

No kidding, Commodore Obvious? Rolling Eyes

Mongo Loid
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.27 02:43:00 - [15]
 

The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2008.07.27 03:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mongo Loid
The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.



zing!

PsychoBones
Minmatar
Red Goats
Posted - 2008.07.27 04:30:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mongo Loid
The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.


Shocked

Can I borrow some of that rage?

Enkidu Uruksen
Gallente
Wakizashi Renaissance
Posted - 2008.07.27 05:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
The term 'pet' is for mental midgets. They're either subjects or vassals, protectorates or autonomous enclaves.

Autonomous collective? You're kidding yourself. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week...

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you.

drako markam
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.27 06:54:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 26/07/2008 18:04:48
Originally by: Nightsabre
Jump

Pets = :flops on the floor in a completely failed attempt at jumping, banging their head on the wall and dying from a massive brain hemorrhage:
Allies = :jumps:


i prefer the term MINIONS though! YARRRR!!


thanks mazz i spit beer all over my moniter

ceyriot
Minmatar
Munition Delivery Services
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:15:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: drako markam
thanks mazz i spit beer all over my moniter
Yeah me too, 'cept it wasn't beer...Wink

Lickin Lenny
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:20:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:22:32
Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:20:24
Originally by: Mongo Loid
The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.


Truth here, everyone in the GBC is a pet. When your coalition name is based on one of the alliances in it you are are a pet. When x'ing up for a coalition fleet you have to indicate whether or not you are in the alliance the coalition's name is based off of, you are pet. These two things are not arguable. There is the GBC, who are pets, and then there is BoB. At least BoB doesn't try to hide that fact, it's the pets who delude themselves otherwise.

Jada Renquist
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:33:00 - [22]
 


Truth here, everyone in the GBC is a pet. When your coalition name is based on one of the alliances in it you are are a pet. When x'ing up for a coalition fleet you have to indicate whether or not you are in the alliance the coalition's name is based off of, you are pet. These two things are not arguable. There is the GBC, who are pets, and then there is BoB. At least BoB doesn't try to hide that fact, it's the pets who delude themselves otherwise.


The fact that you state this, says enough about your understanding towards coalitions with multiple alliances, ask Goons/Red and allies or ask the NC they all do the same, maybe something to do with the fact that you cannot use fleet links from other alliances.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.07.27 12:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Lickin Lenny
When x'ing up for a coalition fleet you have to indicate whether or not you are in the alliance the coalition's name is based off of, you are pet.


So when a GBC fleet has a non-BoB boss and its bob who has to x up, does that mean they are pets for the day or what?

Alcononymous
Caldari
More-Cowbell
Posted - 2008.07.27 13:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Alcononymous on 27/07/2008 13:18:44
Originally by: Lickin Lenny
Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:22:32
Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:20:24
Originally by: Mongo Loid
The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.


Truth here, everyone in the GBC is a pet. When your coalition name is based on one of the alliances in it you are are a pet. When x'ing up for a coalition fleet you have to indicate whether or not you are in the alliance the coalition's name is based off of, you are pet. These two things are not arguable. There is the GBC, who are pets, and then there is BoB. At least BoB doesn't try to hide that fact, it's the pets who delude themselves otherwise.



so anyone in the rsf who isnt in ra tcf or goons is a pet?......

Prof Patpending
Amarr
Bodgit and Scarper Industrial
Posted - 2008.07.27 13:44:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Originally by: mynnna
Uh, if you sit around leeching off your benefactor's space (and pay for the privilege), you are a pet. If you are capable of deploying alongside your benefactor, such as in the case of some GBC members, you are an ally.

On the other hand, if you both deploy alongside your benefactor and pay to use their space, then I guess you're an allied pet? Laughing


You're going to get booted out of Goon soon, you realize that, right?



Thats ok I am sure you guys will snap her/him right up.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.07.27 14:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Lickin Lenny
Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:22:32
Edited by: Lickin Lenny on 27/07/2008 07:20:24
Originally by: Mongo Loid
The reason everyone (except Bob nowadays) calls BoB's pets pets is that's what BoB called them. The pet recruitment forum was named 'the kennel' for ****'s sake.

Of course, now that BoB is a second-rate alliance jammed full of the crappy players from their failed pets, they've adopted a more conciliatory tone. Old BoB treated their pets like trash because they could afford to.


Truth here, everyone in the GBC is a pet. When your coalition name is based on one of the alliances in it you are are a pet. When x'ing up for a coalition fleet you have to indicate whether or not you are in the alliance the coalition's name is based off of, you are pet. These two things are not arguable. There is the GBC, who are pets, and then there is BoB. At least BoB doesn't try to hide that fact, it's the pets who delude themselves otherwise.


But Dianabolic is stating that the GBC corps are much esteemed and valued allies, you are not contradicting HIS mighty saying are you little bob alt?Sad

No cookie for you.

Riley Kendrik
Caldari
R E D E M P T I O N
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 04:34:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Autonomous collective? You're kidding yourself. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week...

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you.


You win EVE for the day, well played sir.

P.S. First to spot the Holy Grail reference.

Resipsa Loquitor
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 04:42:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Hillary Lips
Does it really matter, its just a game. Not like you need to have a clear definition for legal purposes (You honor I am not a pet by definition so I demand my free ibis as stated in the constitution)


Are you sure about that? Maybe there's an agreement out there you're not privy to. :)

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:01:00 - [29]
 

We are all CCP pets. In case you haven't noticed...

Broegitte Bardot
Caldari
BINFORD
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2008.07.29 09:05:00 - [30]
 

it's this kind of arrogance that produces more and more opposition.

D2 : "if bob comes, you can be some cannonfodder while we out-POS them"
ASCN : "we have a titan, we don't need you"
ISS : "we have years of experience and we're rich so be glad we actually talk to you"
KOS : "KOS has never been forced from 0.0 in its years of existence - we dont need allies"


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