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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2008.07.26 21:50:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Typhado3
don't know about vaga but you could modify the following typhoon setup

typhoon

high: 8 x Large smartbomb
med: 2 x L shield extender, 2 x invuln field
Low: fitting mods and armour plates/resists to skill

fly to jita IV m 4 -> f1-f8 and go down screaming UNNERF MINMATAR




NOTE: this is meant as a joke, a bad joke but if someone does do this it will provide me with lots of entertainment. also for some reason I have always felt some unexplainable desire to kamikaze smart bomb jita Embarassed


Problem is, you can;t ectivate smartbombs within 5km of a station/gate perimeter, and you and i both know how big those are Rolling Eyes

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.07.28 11:53:00 - [32]
 

Wow some good and viable pvp Armour and passive shield tanked Vaga's. And best of all, none of them reqire nano's

Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.28 13:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Wow some good and viable pvp Armour and passive shield tanked Vaga's. And best of all, none of them reqire nano's


If you're trying to make a point then stop - cause none of these fits rival a vaga moving at 6k/s.

Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.07.28 13:41:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Stab Wounds on 28/07/2008 13:41:34
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 26/07/2008 12:57:14
Actually, Armour tanked Vaga is VERY VERY GOOD.

High: 5 x 220, 1 x Heavy Missile Launcher II with Navy Ammo
Mid: 10mn AB, web II, Scram II, Cap Booster II
Low: 2 x Gyro II, Med Rep II, Exp hardner II, kin hardner II
R: Nano Pump or aux or trimarks or whatever.
D: 5 x Hobgoblin II

Ship does a impressive 470dps+ easaly (500dps if you use 425 II's). What about falloff? Well with Barage Ammo, it does at scrambler range of 24km a total of 300 DPS insted of 470DPS. Closer you are the more it does towards 470DPS.

It has Afterburner so no enemy can shut down your MWD so you will always move closer to the enemy. Remember Vagabonds are damm good cruisers

And the weapons use ZERO Cap, which is amazing.


this ship screams armor tank

Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.07.28 13:49:00 - [35]
 

same setup as before will still be effective. . .everyone is getting slower - infact - moreso caldari, Gallente, Amarr then finaly Minmatar. . .

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2008.07.28 13:56:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo


Didnt CCP already lock your sig because of those pictures once before, what makes you think they wont again?

Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.28 14:10:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
Edited by: Stab Wounds on 28/07/2008 13:41:34
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 26/07/2008 12:57:14
Actually, Armour tanked Vaga is VERY VERY GOOD.

High: 5 x 220, 1 x Heavy Missile Launcher II with Navy Ammo
Mid: 10mn AB, web II, Scram II, Cap Booster II
Low: 2 x Gyro II, Med Rep II, Exp hardner II, kin hardner II
R: Nano Pump or aux or trimarks or whatever.
D: 5 x Hobgoblin II

Ship does a impressive 470dps+ easaly (500dps if you use 425 II's). What about falloff? Well with Barage Ammo, it does at scrambler range of 24km a total of 300 DPS insted of 470DPS. Closer you are the more it does towards 470DPS.

It has Afterburner so no enemy can shut down your MWD so you will always move closer to the enemy. Remember Vagabonds are damm good cruisers

And the weapons use ZERO Cap, which is amazing.


this ship screams armor tank


If you armor tank a vagabond, or any minmatar t2 ship with any degree of seriousness, you are a ****ing idiot. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

It has TWO holes on its armor. Every other race has only one.

Not to mention, any tier two battlecruiser will annihilate it.


Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.07.28 14:51:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 28/07/2008 14:53:26
Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Edited by: Stab Wounds on 28/07/2008 13:41:34
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 26/07/2008 12:57:14
Actually, Armour tanked Vaga is VERY VERY GOOD.

High: 5 x 220, 1 x Heavy Missile Launcher II with Navy Ammo
Mid: 10mn AB, web II, Scram II, Cap Booster II
Low: 2 x Gyro II, Med Rep II, Exp hardner II, kin hardner II
R: Nano Pump or aux or trimarks or whatever.
D: 5 x Hobgoblin II

Ship does a impressive 470dps+ easaly (500dps if you use 425 II's). What about falloff? Well with Barage Ammo, it does at scrambler range of 24km a total of 300 DPS insted of 470DPS. Closer you are the more it does towards 470DPS.

It has Afterburner so no enemy can shut down your MWD so you will always move closer to the enemy. Remember Vagabonds are damm good cruisers

And the weapons use ZERO Cap, which is amazing.


this ship screams armor tank


If you armor tank a vagabond, or any minmatar t2 ship with any degree of seriousness, you are a ****ing idiot. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

It has TWO holes on its armor. Every other race has only one.

Not to mention, any tier two battlecruiser will annihilate it.




Lol At the "TWO holes on its armour". You Triumvirate guys have not got a clue, have you?

EM Resist: 90%
Therm: 67.5%

Vagabond needs no EM hardner or therm hardner as it has build in 2 EM hadners and 1 Thermal hardner already. Thats why I posted a setup with a EXP and KIN hardner. Duh.

Also its not meant to be a solo pwn mobile. Tier 2 BC's are meant to be better than HAC's, HACs are just cruisers after all. Any competantly fit Tier 2 BC beats ANY HAC. Thats the whole point.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:19:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Sell vaga.

Buy zealot.


Because a zealot is a better heavy tackler? Sorry but those two ships dont have the same role. True story.

Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:44:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 28/07/2008 14:53:26
Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Edited by: Stab Wounds on 28/07/2008 13:41:34
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 26/07/2008 12:57:14
Actually, Armour tanked Vaga is VERY VERY GOOD.

High: 5 x 220, 1 x Heavy Missile Launcher II with Navy Ammo
Mid: 10mn AB, web II, Scram II, Cap Booster II
Low: 2 x Gyro II, Med Rep II, Exp hardner II, kin hardner II
R: Nano Pump or aux or trimarks or whatever.
D: 5 x Hobgoblin II

Ship does a impressive 470dps+ easaly (500dps if you use 425 II's). What about falloff? Well with Barage Ammo, it does at scrambler range of 24km a total of 300 DPS insted of 470DPS. Closer you are the more it does towards 470DPS.

It has Afterburner so no enemy can shut down your MWD so you will always move closer to the enemy. Remember Vagabonds are damm good cruisers

And the weapons use ZERO Cap, which is amazing.


this ship screams armor tank


If you armor tank a vagabond, or any minmatar t2 ship with any degree of seriousness, you are a ****ing idiot. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

It has TWO holes on its armor. Every other race has only one.

Not to mention, any tier two battlecruiser will annihilate it.




Lol At the "TWO holes on its armour". You Triumvirate guys have not got a clue, have you?

EM Resist: 90%
Therm: 67.5%

Vagabond needs no EM hardner or therm hardner as it has build in 2 EM hadners and 1 Thermal hardner already. Thats why I posted a setup with a EXP and KIN hardner. Duh.

Also its not meant to be a solo pwn mobile. Tier 2 BC's are meant to be better than HAC's, HACs are just cruisers after all. Any competantly fit Tier 2 BC beats ANY HAC. Thats the whole point.


Ishtar - 50 / 67.5 / 83.8 / 10 That's one hole.
Vagabond - 90 / 67.5 / 25 / 10 That's two.

Its simple math really, and that appears to be a little above you.

What that means is that the ishtar can patch the hole with a SINGLE hardener and use 2 eanms to even out the resistances where as the vagabond has to use two full hardeners and any eanms use are boosting a resistance that starts at 90%. If you don't think that it has two resistance holes you are a ****ing moron. Duh.

Also, you should notice that the ishtar has 83.8 resistance to kinetic right off the bat. Because it gets 2 built in hardeners to kinetic. You know, a resistance that is actually low to begin with?

That second hardener for em on the vagabond is useless because the resistance is so high to begin with. You take your vagabond out with that setup and you will be immune to anyone slinging em but everyone else will eat you alive.

Why do I know this? Maybe it's because I'm in Triumvirate and we actually, you know, pvp in Triumvirate. Like all the time. DuH.

Lol You State War Academy guys have not got a clue, have you?

With posts like yours its clear to see why I'm posting with my main and you are posting with noob corp alt. Grow some balls mate.


Mr Ignitious
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:51:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 28/07/2008 16:54:42
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Judging from what's in the dev blog, it should still be able to (at the very least) go above 4 km/s with just tech 2 speed fittings. And that's all you need.


High: NOTHING
Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE
Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2

Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2

FULL SNAKE SET.

No special named modules etc.

This is the dev recommended fit to get the vaga over 4k. good luck.


edit: this is too negative imo, i'm sorry. What i think the vaga could still do well is AB fit (lol, but keep listening) get a web and scram and orbit in the 60% speed reduce web and fit for buffer/gank. Instead of that extra speed mod or so, you could fit a PDU and fit 425's for some more firepower and a lil more gank. And you could try fitting shield extender rigs instead as well. And hell, if 2 LSE II's don't float ur boat, then drop one and throw in a tracking disruptor and i think that the results will be quite satisfying. Not to mention, you can use RF Emp or a high dps ammo instead of barrage.

Sounds like a shield deimos to me, but with omni resists, and mild regen Shocked

Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:51:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Judging from what's in the dev blog, it should still be able to (at the very least) go above 4 km/s with just tech 2 speed fittings. And that's all you need.


High: NOTHING
Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE
Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2

Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2

FULL SNAKE SET.

No special named modules etc.

This is the dev recommended fit to get the vaga over 4k. good luck.



Clearly the devs play their own game.

Mr Ignitious
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:56:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Judging from what's in the dev blog, it should still be able to (at the very least) go above 4 km/s with just tech 2 speed fittings. And that's all you need.


High: NOTHING
Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE
Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2

Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2

FULL SNAKE SET.

No special named modules etc.

This is the dev recommended fit to get the vaga over 4k. good luck.



Clearly the devs play their own game.


oh the devs heh. Editted my post too though, i felt too trolly.

Lieutenant Isis
Caldari
Gristle Industries
Posted - 2008.07.28 16:59:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Euriti
Edited by: Euriti on 26/07/2008 09:21:45
Originally by: Lt Angus
The fit in the thread used thruster rigs which give almost no bonus with 2 ODIIs, throw on 2 polys and 3 OD and it should go faster then that even without snakes


Cookie cutter vaga was tested.

Without snakes, 3300m/s. Massive agility nerf too.

RIP Vagabond.


Try fitting some I-stabs. Since polys and nanos don't remove mass anymore, you have no agility bonus as you had with polys and nanos as they are now. Most people don't realize that agility is actually the mass*agilitymod since polys and nanos actually gave a mass reduction bonus, you got a speed and agility bonus in one rig/mod. Now you get the same, but mounting I-Stabs will still be much more effective at improving your agility.

Pheonix Kanan
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:01:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Judging from what's in the dev blog, it should still be able to (at the very least) go above 4 km/s with just tech 2 speed fittings. And that's all you need.


High: NOTHING
Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE
Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2

Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2

FULL SNAKE SET.

No special named modules etc.

This is the dev recommended fit to get the vaga over 4k. good luck.



Clearly the devs play their own game.


Clearly the devs don't play eve online Laughing

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:03:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 28/07/2008 17:03:07
Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 28/07/2008 14:53:26
Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Edited by: Stab Wounds on 28/07/2008 13:41:34
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 26/07/2008 12:57:14
Actually, Armour tanked Vaga is VERY VERY GOOD.

High: 5 x 220, 1 x Heavy Missile Launcher II with Navy Ammo
Mid: 10mn AB, web II, Scram II, Cap Booster II
Low: 2 x Gyro II, Med Rep II, Exp hardner II, kin hardner II
R: Nano Pump or aux or trimarks or whatever.
D: 5 x Hobgoblin II

Ship does a impressive 470dps+ easaly (500dps if you use 425 II's). What about falloff? Well with Barage Ammo, it does at scrambler range of 24km a total of 300 DPS insted of 470DPS. Closer you are the more it does towards 470DPS.

It has Afterburner so no enemy can shut down your MWD so you will always move closer to the enemy. Remember Vagabonds are damm good cruisers

And the weapons use ZERO Cap, which is amazing.


this ship screams armor tank


If you armor tank a vagabond, or any minmatar t2 ship with any degree of seriousness, you are a ****ing idiot. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

It has TWO holes on its armor. Every other race has only one.

Not to mention, any tier two battlecruiser will annihilate it.




Lol At the "TWO holes on its armour". You Triumvirate guys have not got a clue, have you?

EM Resist: 90%
Therm: 67.5%

Vagabond needs no EM hardner or therm hardner as it has build in 2 EM hadners and 1 Thermal hardner already. Thats why I posted a setup with a EXP and KIN hardner. Duh.

Also its not meant to be a solo pwn mobile. Tier 2 BC's are meant to be better than HAC's, HACs are just cruisers after all. Any competantly fit Tier 2 BC beats ANY HAC. Thats the whole point.


Ishtar - 50 / 67.5 / 83.8 / 10 That's one hole.
Vagabond - 90 / 67.5 / 25 / 10 That's two.

Its simple math really, and that appears to be a little above you.

What that means is that the ishtar can patch the hole with a SINGLE hardener and use 2 eanms to even out the resistances where as the vagabond has to use two full hardeners and any eanms use are boosting a resistance that starts at 90%. If you don't think that it has two resistance holes you are a ****ing moron. Duh.

Also, you should notice that the ishtar has 83.8 resistance to kinetic right off the bat. Because it gets 2 built in hardeners to kinetic. You know, a resistance that is actually low to begin with?

That second hardener for em on the vagabond is useless because the resistance is so high to begin with. You take your vagabond out with that setup and you will be immune to anyone slinging em but everyone else will eat you alive.

Why do I know this? Maybe it's because I'm in Triumvirate and we actually, you know, pvp in Triumvirate. Like all the time. DuH.

Lol You State War Academy guys have not got a clue, have you?

With posts like yours its clear to see why I'm posting with my main and you are posting with noob corp alt. Grow some balls mate.




Incorrect. You have a EM and a EXP Hole with Ishtar as well as higher sig radius meaning more hits and more wrecking hits against you. And you refuse to comment on the Armour tanked 470dps vagabond (300dps at 24km).


Chr0nosX
Habitual Euthanasia
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.07.28 17:04:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Chr0nosX on 28/07/2008 17:23:52
My vaga fit goes 3.1k with 2 gyros. Speed rigs don't seem to add anything due to stacking so I think ambit extention rigs will be best.


Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

Incorrect. You have a EM and a EXP Hole with Ishtar as well as higher sig radius meaning more hits and more wrecking hits against you. And you refuse to comment on the Armour tanked 470dps vagabond (300dps at 24km).




Lol I stuck in this EFT and it tanks 162 DPS. I can make an ishtar do 540 dps and tank 440. You have to nano this ship to make it useful.

Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.07.28 18:34:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo


Incorrect. You have a EM and a EXP Hole with Ishtar as well as higher sig radius meaning more hits and more wrecking hits against you. And you refuse to comment on the Armour tanked 470dps vagabond (300dps at 24km).




Dude.
Post with your main if you want credibility. Right now you have none. The last thing you will be worrying about when operating this close to another ship are wrecking hits. Leave the SWA, pvp a bit, then get back to us.

Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.07.28 21:56:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 28/07/2008 21:56:07
Originally by: Chr0nosX
Edited by: Chr0nosX on 28/07/2008 17:23:52
My vaga fit goes 3.1k with 2 gyros. Speed rigs don't seem to add anything due to stacking so I think ambit extention rigs will be best.


Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

Incorrect. You have a EM and a EXP Hole with Ishtar as well as higher sig radius meaning more hits and more wrecking hits against you. And you refuse to comment on the Armour tanked 470dps vagabond (300dps at 24km).




Lol I stuck in this EFT and it tanks 162 DPS. I can make an ishtar do 540 dps and tank 440. You have to nano this ship to make it useful.


You want a 1v1 Istar vs Vaga as game balance? You are aware that Ishtar is meant to beat the vaga's resist (just like Amarr beat Cerb's shield tank resists)

Its called rock paper scissors etc. Vaga can choose damagetype and kill Ishtars drones, thus killing off almost all of its DPS. In fact, Probebly all of its DPS since Vaga can do 300DPS at 24km due to falloff, and a ishtar might not be able to do anything back. But if Ishtar gets in blaster range then its a problem for the vaga.

Back to point, 3 nano vaga's would do over 1000 dps and 1000 dps would kill any ship pretty much and escape any retaliation without any brain power other than pressing MWD button. That was problem with nanovaga. Now with armour tank, people will use vaga to fight prperly and the game will become more fun again and tactics will start to play a part in eve once more.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.07.29 10:17:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Gamesguy
Sell vaga.

Buy zealot.


Because a zealot is a better heavy tackler? Sorry but those two ships dont have the same role. True story.


If its a heavy tackler you're looking for, then the sacriledge is about 20 times better than a vaga post-nerf. Rolling Eyes


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