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Ksea Vholdor
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:46:00 - [1561]
 

Originally by: The Mach
Edited by: The Mach on 25/07/2008 16:07:38
CCP, no offensebut..... you kinda missed the water when you fell out of the nano ship.

hahahaha, made my day
so true







...

Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:46:00 - [1562]
 

Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
I find it amusing that all the people that are crying foul of these changes are the likes of pandemic legion,EXCEED AMD TRI.

They have made there name from this broken game mechanic and are now bleating like stuffed pigs about it getting BALANCED.

Good move CCP dont sway on this one.


I agree with this poster.

Markas Crais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:48:00 - [1563]
 

Edited by: Markas Crais on 25/07/2008 22:49:47
Originally by: Markas Crais
Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
I find it amusing that all the people that are crying foul of these changes are the likes of pandemic legion,EXCEED AMD TRI.

They have made there name from this broken game mechanic and are now bleating like stuffed pigs about it getting BALANCED.

Good move CCP dont sway on this one.


And the fact that the large alliances who blob are going "good job". Go figure.


Originally by: RDevz
Adapt or die. Cry some more. Would you like a tissue? [Insert demeaning catchphrase that was used when torps/drones/nos/ECM was nerfed here].

The tears. Keep them coming. It's so wonderful to watch.


^ thanks for proving my point. It was even better that a Goon proved it. Very Happy

Tomic
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:49:00 - [1564]
 

Originally by: Militis Kolosok
As an inty pilot, I fail 95% of the time :)


fixed for ya

Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:49:00 - [1565]
 

Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
I find it amusing that all the people that are crying foul of these changes are the likes of pandemic legion,EXCEED AMD TRI.

They have made there name from this broken game mechanic and are now bleating like stuffed pigs about it getting BALANCED.

Good move CCP dont sway on this one.


Care to explain how nanos were broken?

Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:50:00 - [1566]
 

Whats everyone going on about?

I'll focus on matar pvp with relying on my superior weapon tracking, dps, and amazing slot layouts for tankingLaughing

If CCP has learned anything from nerfing it is that they are terrible at it. Work on the servers...

How is speed a factor in 5 minute grid loads? Work on the servers...

Skirmish is a screwed concept now? I thought it was the better form of pvp in EVE. Anything larger then a skirmish fleet fight is lagtacular. Work on the servers...

Eve game mechanics and servers "best tackler in Eve". Work on the servers...

Moral to the story, stop trying to think CCP, it doesn't work out like you intend. Hire someone to fix your hardware, let the ships do their thing. If someone wants to invest in a Capital ship's value in implants to go fast, screw it, let em, its the price of a Capital class ship.

Oh, and please don't turn the Arazu into a Arazurapier, there wont be any room for the rapier if an Arazu effectively webs harder then a rapier sporting a 50% web, scrams, and effects targeting...tisk tisk...

Hul'ka
Minmatar
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:51:00 - [1567]
 

Originally by: Asero
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
So, since I can't get on SISI until that patch deploys, help me out here.

Say a max-skilled Vagabond, with 2 speed rigs and 3 lowslot speed modules. 10MN MWD II, with say the 10% bonus from gangskills and baseline no implants or hardwirings in - what would I get?


i actually get 5,654m/s with 2 polycarbs(t1 ofc) 2 overdrives and 1 nano. thats with hac5 and accel control 4. is it bad that i beat the dev fit by 1500m/s at 1/40th the cost?
đ

/me pats on the shoulder... I know m8, i know..

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:52:00 - [1568]
 

Originally by: RDevz
Adapt or die. Cry some more. Would you like a tissue? [Insert demeaning catchphrase that was used when torps/drones/nos/ECM was nerfed here].

The tears. Keep them coming. It's so wonderful to watch.


Blobbers love the nano-nerf. Small gang people hate it. Case and point in the quoted post above.

CCP, please don't make all these changes. It will effect Matari ships like your last BIG nerf hit the Lachesis. Seriously, it is that bad.

sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:53:00 - [1569]
 

Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 25/07/2008 22:56:45
Originally by: Ituralde
Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
I find it amusing that all the people that are crying foul of these changes are the likes of pandemic legion,EXCEED AMD TRI.

They have made there name from this broken game mechanic and are now bleating like stuffed pigs about it getting BALANCED.

Good move CCP dont sway on this one.


Care to explain how nanos were broken?


If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

The fact is that most pvpers fly nano ships because its great fun and adds levels of skill to the game that sitting opposite another fleet and plugging away like morons until one side runs out of ships will never achieve.

Who the hell do ccp think they are to remove a fun but harmless form of pvp from the game that many ppl enjoy.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:53:00 - [1570]
 

Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Whats everyone going on about?

I'll focus on matar pvp with relying on my superior weapon tracking, dps, and amazing slot layouts for tankingLaughing

If CCP has learned anything from nerfing it is that they are terrible at it. Work on the servers...

How is speed a factor in 5 minute grid loads? Work on the servers...

Skirmish is a screwed concept now? I thought it was the better form of pvp in EVE. Anything larger then a skirmish fleet fight is lagtacular. Work on the servers...

Eve game mechanics and servers "best tackler in Eve". Work on the servers...

Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents.....
Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:56:00 - [1571]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2008 22:56:57
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons?
Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps....
I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.

Ironic, isn't it? Cool

EDIT: Damn. Thread is slowing down. 3 minutes without a post!

Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:56:00 - [1572]
 

From: The Blog
Quote:
Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.


Basically, this is an argument that speed tanking should not be viable.

And that is a faulty premise from the start.

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:58:00 - [1573]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Whats everyone going on about?

I'll focus on matar pvp with relying on my superior weapon tracking, dps, and amazing slot layouts for tankingLaughing

If CCP has learned anything from nerfing it is that they are terrible at it. Work on the servers...

How is speed a factor in 5 minute grid loads? Work on the servers...

Skirmish is a screwed concept now? I thought it was the better form of pvp in EVE. Anything larger then a skirmish fleet fight is lagtacular. Work on the servers...

Eve game mechanics and servers "best tackler in Eve". Work on the servers...

Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents.....
Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil



Yah, BoB/ASCN in EC- was pretty pathetic, I agree.

Markas Crais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:58:00 - [1574]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons?
Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps....
I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.

Ironic, isn't it? Cool



Like I've mentioned before. What's the point in making isk and pvping if you don't plan on outspending your opponent on better ships/mods to give you an advantage?

Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:58:00 - [1575]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2008 22:56:57
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons?
Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps....
I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.

Ironic, isn't it? Cool

EDIT: Damn. Thread is slowing down. 3 minutes without a post!


Wait, how does nanoing a ship make in an I-win button? Please explain.

Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:59:00 - [1576]
 

Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 25/07/2008 22:59:13
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Whats everyone going on about?

I'll focus on matar pvp with relying on my superior weapon tracking, dps, and amazing slot layouts for tankingLaughing

If CCP has learned anything from nerfing it is that they are terrible at it. Work on the servers...

How is speed a factor in 5 minute grid loads? Work on the servers...

Skirmish is a screwed concept now? I thought it was the better form of pvp in EVE. Anything larger then a skirmish fleet fight is lagtacular. Work on the servers...

Eve game mechanics and servers "best tackler in Eve". Work on the servers...

Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents.....
Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil


Your post is deliciously rediculous giving the fact that 120 (60 v 60) ships in local lags the system to hell and back. Its not a matter of blobbing, its lagging before there is a real blob to lag it.

Tomic
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:59:00 - [1577]
 

Originally by: Kerfira

Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents..... Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil


Funny, a lot of alliances have been out blobbing their opponents since before goons were even around. Afaik bob invented the B(l)OB

sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.07.25 22:59:00 - [1578]
 

Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 25/07/2008 23:01:24
Originally by: Kerfira

Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

The fact is that most pvpers fly nano ships because its great fun and adds levels of skill to the game that sitting opposite another fleet and plugging away like morons until one side runs out of ships will never achieve.

Who the hell do ccp think they are to remove a fun but harmless form of pvp from the game that many ppl enjoy.

So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons?
Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps....
I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.

Ironic, isn't it? Cool

EDIT: Damn. Thread is slowing down. 3 minutes without a post!


Nano is not a i-win button its a i have a lot of fun style of pvp instead of a turkey shoot thats eventually decided by who has the most ships to begin with and so has some left at the end of the battle.

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:01:00 - [1579]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2008 22:56:57
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.

So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons?
Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps....
I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.

Ironic, isn't it? Cool

EDIT: Damn. Thread is slowing down. 3 minutes without a post!


Nerfing I win buttons is always good. I don't think anyone complains about a reduction in speed for the 25kms interceptor or even the 15kms vagabond. But why does a 4-5kms HAC need to be nerfed? They are certainly killable, even a simple T2 fitted ceptor can chase them down easily. But it does generally require some planning and thought to kill a nanogang doing 5kms. Having been in those nanogangs, there are enough opponents who can take on a nanogang like that.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:04:00 - [1580]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2008 23:03:58
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Kerfira
Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents.....
Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil

Your post is deliciously rediculous giving the fact that 120 (60 v 60) ships in local lags the system to hell and back. Its not a matter of blobbing, its lagging before there is a real blob to lag it.

Read what I wrote (bolded)!
Before, people might have blobbed, but not with the intent of lagging out opponents! A 'certain alliance' was the first!

Tate Aoko
Advanced Logistics
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:05:00 - [1581]
 

Good to see CCP looking into this Smile

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:07:00 - [1582]
 

With the upcoming nerf Eve combat will now consist of the following: Assemble as many missile ships as you can and stand toe to toe with your opponent and exchange punches to the face. When you win, because you have more people than the other guy, you can shout "LOLSTFUNOOB!" and pretend you are the best pilot ever. All because you can fly a mission-fitted drake.

Good Job CCP. You are ruining Blasters AND speedtanking in one shot.

Sir Hades
Caldari
Stimulus
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:07:00 - [1583]
 

Oh hey guys, I am responsible for this nerf. I just bought my first vaga and now nanos are being nerfed. Sorry ;_;

But seriously CCP, while some nano setups were a bit over the top, most nano ships are NOT going that fast. I highly suggest that you rethink this idea and do a LOT of testing on SiSi.

Biswen
Back to Yarrr
SCUM.
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:08:00 - [1584]
 

Just logged on ... I can't fugging belive this!! The End Of Small Gang Warfare 4TL! What the fug have you been thinking devs?!

**** this **** and **** CCP!

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:10:00 - [1585]
 

Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Kerfira
My post

Nerfing I win buttons is always good. I don't think anyone complains about a reduction in speed for the 25kms interceptor or even the 15kms vagabond. But why does a 4-5kms HAC need to be nerfed? They are certainly killable, even a simple T2 fitted ceptor can chase them down easily. But it does generally require some planning and thought to kill a nanogang doing 5kms. Having been in those nanogangs, there are enough opponents who can take on a nanogang like that.

The question is whether a cruiser SHOULD be able to go 4km/s. As you say, they're killable, but it's not easy to catch them.
Question is whether it is too easy for them to get out of tight spots.... It certainly seem that way given how many people use this type of setup.

I really don't think it'll matter either. People will whine for a while, then adapt to the new realities.

Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:11:00 - [1586]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2008 23:03:58
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: Kerfira
Lag only really became a major issue after a certain alliance made it their tactic to outblob their opponents.....
Makes your post deliciously ironic Twisted Evil

Your post is deliciously rediculous giving the fact that 120 (60 v 60) ships in local lags the system to hell and back. Its not a matter of blobbing, its lagging before there is a real blob to lag it.

Read what I wrote (bolded)!
Before, people might have blobbed, but not with the intent of lagging out opponents! A 'certain alliance' was the first!


Awesome dude, good point and post, glad the first alliance to do this wasn't us. I'd feel like you held something against usCrying or Very sad

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:11:00 - [1587]
 

Originally by: Nemesor
You are ruining Blasters AND speedtanking in one shot.


I actually think they are boosting blasters and the low CPU capacity of Gallente ships, making scramblers more important, but whatever.

Trash Monster
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:11:00 - [1588]
 

CCP use drugs?

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:12:00 - [1589]
 

We didn't want the minmatar race anyway.

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.07.25 23:14:00 - [1590]
 

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Nemesor
You are ruining Blasters AND speedtanking in one shot.


I actually think they are boosting blasters and the low CPU capacity of Gallente ships, making scramblers more important, but whatever.


Giving any opponent the ability to shut off a Deimos's MWD is a HUGE boost. Yeah.


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