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Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:36:00 - [1]
 

Trading alts, throwaway gank alts, thief alts, etc.

People have talked about namechange before, and the answer that always comes back is "you can just hide your history so that you can keep corp thieving" or some such.

Having real thief alts is no different.

people with too much time on their hands have so many alts making money, there's no way to compete.

I thought the reason CCP pushed the multiboxing concept for their game was to lessen alt activity, while making people pay a price for more alts.

But they still havent gotten rid of the multiple alt slots for single accounts. CCP should lengthen the termination time of character slots to a month required before they can be biomassed.

Arous Drephius
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:38:00 - [2]
 

Nope. CCP liek alts.

Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:39:00 - [3]
 

So, the whine of the month is alts, eh?

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:42:00 - [4]
 

Not just alts, NANO ALTS!

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:43:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tamia Clant
So, the whine of the month is alts, eh?


hmm, that's strange. I must have missed the memo. Ah well, I'll get to posting some poorly reasoned and redundant threads ASAP.

Zurrar
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:44:00 - [6]
 

the new whine is-
falcon

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Trading alts, throwaway gank alts, thief alts, etc.

People have talked about namechange before, and the answer that always comes back is "you can just hide your history so that you can keep corp thieving" or some such.

Having real thief alts is no different.

people with too much time on their hands have so many alts making money, there's no way to compete.

I thought the reason CCP pushed the multiboxing concept for their game was to lessen alt activity, while making people pay a price for more alts.

But they still havent gotten rid of the multiple alt slots for single accounts. CCP should lengthen the termination time of character slots to a month required before they can be biomassed.


I agree with the op.

Radical Mole
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:48:00 - [8]
 

I am not an alt. I am a secret agent. My identity is hidden for the protection of my kids and family, as well as my own. Cool

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Originally by: Ekrid
Trading alts, throwaway gank alts, thief alts, etc.

People have talked about namechange before, and the answer that always comes back is "you can just hide your history so that you can keep corp thieving" or some such.

Having real thief alts is no different.

people with too much time on their hands have so many alts making money, there's no way to compete.

I thought the reason CCP pushed the multiboxing concept for their game was to lessen alt activity, while making people pay a price for more alts.

But they still havent gotten rid of the multiple alt slots for single accounts. CCP should lengthen the termination time of character slots to a month required before they can be biomassed.


I agree with the op.



You forgot to post with your *snickers* ALT *guffaws* Laughing

Saori Rei
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:49:00 - [10]
 

I have and always will do, believe that alts ruin EVE. Throwaway alts, suicide alts, scout alts, manufacturing alts, whateveralts. All these alts allow people to do multiple tasks taking roles away from others.

Someone wants to be a trader but can't because people have trader alts. Someone wants to be a scout but can't as people have throwaway scout alts.

Eve should be called Alt online really :P

Nadjar
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:50:00 - [11]
 

If you can't beat 'em...

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:51:00 - [12]
 

Some of my best friends are alts.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:55:00 - [13]
 

I read somewhere that the main CCP guy regretted the decision to allow 3 characters per account. But it's too late to remove alts, because that would make a lot of people angry and their money is more important than the ideals of the game.

The simplest and most elegant solution to the alt problem is to provide some in-game method of establishing connections between different characters and even accounts. For example, an NPC agent could be used to find "2 closest relatives" of a specific char name, which would give the names of other 2 chars on same account.

Then there should also be some way of getting "extended relative" information, such as names of accounts payed for by the same real person - name from the credit card. It wouldn't give any real names, so there real privacy would not be touched.

Truely Altish
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:56:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Some of my best friends are alts.



A/S/L??

Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.07.11 18:58:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
The simplest and most elegant solution to the alt problem is to provide some in-game method of establishing connections between different characters


Limited API key.

Originally by: Ephemeron
and even accounts.


Well, that one's a bit of a problem.

BlackKnightMagik
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:06:00 - [16]
 

/me creates a highsec ganking nano alt. Here is yet another group of threads that should be added to the "Whiner" section of the threads.

damgood85
Gallente
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:07:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: damgood85 on 11/07/2008 19:07:18
Originally by: Saori Rei
I have and always will do, believe that alts ruin EVE. Throwaway alts, suicide alts, scout alts, manufacturing alts, whateveralts. All these alts allow people to do multiple tasks taking roles away from others.

Someone wants to be a trader but can't because people have trader alts. Someone wants to be a scout but can't as people have throwaway scout alts.

Eve should be called Alt online really :P


Where do you get that you cant be a trader or a scout? Throwaway alts are just that... throwaway alts IE low skill point if any. If you train your main to be a trader it will be far better then any low point alt same for scouting hauling or any other profession.

Dormuth Purifier
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:13:00 - [18]
 

..and the new age has begun!
*Epic music

the age of the ALTWHINE!

*Epic music fades

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:16:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Dormuth Purifier
..and the new age has begun!
*Epic music

the age of the ALTWHINE!

*Epic music fades

And the world will know that millions of forum warriors, gave that last breath to whine about it!

Tzigan Jegos
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Pwett
Not just alts, NANO ALTS!


Originally by: Zurrar

the new whine is-
falcon



nano falcon ninjasalvaging permacloaking alt

i think that covers it

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:19:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tamia Clant
So, the whine of the month is alts, eh?


Alts should be the whine of the month every month tbh. I have no problem with having the three character limit on a single account since you can only have skills training on one of them at a time, but I really think that multiple accounts unfairly benefit those players who have the extra money to spend. Of course its that extra money that keeps CCP happy with the current alt mechanics, so there's where we run into another problem.

Bleeshtar
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Tzigan Jegos
nano falcon ninjasalvaging permacloaking alt Blobs
i think that covers it


Fixed for you.

Dormuth Purifier
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:21:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Dormuth Purifier on 11/07/2008 19:23:11
Edited by: Dormuth Purifier on 11/07/2008 19:21:32
Originally by: Tzigan Jegos


nano falcon ninjasalvaging permacloaking alt

i think that covers it


almost,but you left out capitals i think...oh, and suicide gank

so: nano Titan ninjasalvaging permacloack alt blob of dead with falcons suiciding in Jita

Plumpy McPudding
Profit Development and Research Association
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:22:00 - [24]
 


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:34:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Trading alts, throwaway gank alts, thief alts, etc.

People have talked about namechange before, and the answer that always comes back is "you can just hide your history so that you can keep corp thieving" or some such.

Having real thief alts is no different.

people with too much time on their hands have so many alts making money, there's no way to compete.

I thought the reason CCP pushed the multiboxing concept for their game was to lessen alt activity, while making people pay a price for more alts.

But they still havent gotten rid of the multiple alt slots for single accounts. CCP should lengthen the termination time of character slots to a month required before they can be biomassed.


awww

here

/hug

Kazbah
Posted - 2008.07.11 19:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Saori Rei
I have and always will do, believe that alts ruin EVE. Throwaway alts, suicide alts, scout alts, manufacturing alts, whateveralts. All these alts allow people to do multiple tasks taking roles away from others.

Someone wants to be a trader but can't because people have trader alts. Someone wants to be a scout but can't as people have throwaway scout alts.


That's the stupidest arguement I've heard in a while.

I suppose nobody can make ISK because all ship and module markets are fully saturated by alt manufacturing/trading.

And I suppose that nobody ever gets ganked in a gatecamp because of all the alt scouts.

Don't blame your failures on alts. If you want to manufacture crap and sell it at competetive prices, somebody WILL buy it.

If you want to scout, get a cov-ops and join an active corp. You WILL be used as a scout. I have yet to be in an operation where we had too many scouts.

Fact is, Eve would not be where it is today without the use of alts. There are just not enough active players to fill all roles on a daily basis.

TBH, I would definitely NOT play Eve if I couldn't have alts. The game is so complex and has so many layers and you can't experience them all with just one character. In fact, you can't even experience them all with alts either.

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.07.11 20:11:00 - [27]
 

The op is right. alts are why eve is failing.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.07.11 20:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Tzigan Jegos
Originally by: Pwett
Not just alts, NANO ALTS!


Originally by: Zurrar

the new whine is-
falcon



nano falcon ninjasalvaging permacloaking alt

i think that covers it

Going around suicide ganking all of the hapless mission runners!

RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
Posted - 2008.07.11 20:16:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kazbah
The game is so complex and has so many layers and you can't experience them all with just one character.


That's the point of a virtual universe actually. Chose your career and live with it. But CCP gave up on that long ago.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.07.11 20:17:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Crumplecorn on 11/07/2008 20:25:55
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Alts should be the whine of the month every month tbh. I have no problem with having the three character limit on a single account since you can only have skills training on one of them at a time, but I really think that multiple accounts unfairly benefit those players who have the extra money to spend. Of course its that extra money that keeps CCP happy with the current alt mechanics, so there's where we run into another problem.
Serious reply, for a serious thread.

All multiple accounts give those with extra money is the opportunity to work extra harder in game.
You know, like how people who have more time to play are given the opportunity to work less hard for longer.

'Unfairly benefit', FFS.


Originally by: RigelKentaurus
Originally by: Kazbah
The game is so complex and has so many layers and you can't experience them all with just one character.


That's the point of a virtual universe actually. To miss out on most of it.
Fix'd. Intrigued by ideas, subscribe to your newsletter, etc.



I must thank the OP, haven't had a good alt thread since I got back.


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